|
SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Rounded Oil Drain Plug /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1435426300 Message started by tom3949 on 06/27/15 at 10:31:40 |
|
Title: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 06/27/15 at 10:31:40 Hi everybody, I am new to the forum having recently required a RYCA 'bobbed' LS400. I'm no good at pics but the bike is on the RYCA site, (RYCAmotors.com), and it's the orange bobber near to the bottom of the customer builds page - built by Dave Theophilus in the UK. The bike has supposedly only done 300 miles since the conversion but I decided to go for an oil change, especially after reading about the oil requirements of Savages on this site. We can't get Rotella or Mobil 1 V twin in the UK, but I did come across Mobil 4T Racing, which has a ZDDP rating of 1300 ppm. So armed with this, some East Coast ZDDP additive, a new oil filter and oil plug I was ready to start the job. :) First task - find the oil drainage plug. Nope couldn't locate this - so a quick scan of this site was required - and hey presto located in a flash. I then thought I should just check on any tips for removal. Once armed with these I thought I was ready and up for the task. First attempt at removing the plug didn't work out too well as my socket wrench wouldn't fit into the gap between the plug and frame. So onto a combo spanner... Using the 'ring' end I came to the conclusion that the drain pug was well and truly wedged and so may require a little more gentle persuasion - with a hammer. Success! - or so I thought. The movement I was getting from tapping the spanner ever so gently turned out not to be the plug moving - just the spanner starting to round the bolt head. All stop! - and back to SuzukiSavage.com. :) Armed with further excellent info from this site I borrowed a variety of wrenches from the brother-in-law, (including a pipe wrench), and made a suitable construction so I could lie the bike on it's side. This was thrown together from a fishing chair, an old army kit bag, and the padding from a couple of sun loungers - and worked really well. I drained the fuel tank and carefully lay the bike on an angle using my makeshift support and started once again to attack the drain plug. Most of the wrenches, however, seemed too big to get a proper grip and even with the bike on its side a second attempt with a spanner yielded no joy. End result a nicely rounded oil drain plug! :( So gentlemen, (and ladies), what do I now have to do to continue with my oil change plan? Any suggestions would be appreciated! Cheers. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by verslagen1 on 06/27/15 at 10:52:25 since you have a new plug, grip it with a vice grip and give it a good smack with a hammer. if the wrench is pointing down, give it a smack from the front going to the rear. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 06/27/15 at 11:00:49 495A4D4C535E585A510E3F0 wrote:
Cheers. The problem at the moment is that the grips I have available don't seem to fit in the available space, (even when I have the bike on it's side). Maybe I need to source a small vice grip? |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 06/27/15 at 16:46:48 This is what I used when I had a similar problem. Clamp it down as hard as you can and then give it a nice tap with a heavy mallet. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Jpv6g-wBL._SY300_.jpg |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/15 at 16:55:19 I think I would like a very careful description of which way the wrench was being turned. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 06/28/15 at 01:40:36 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
With the bike supported on it's right hand side, (so the LHS,and oil drain plug, is pointing upwards, facing me), and with the wrench / spanner pointing down, it was being turned right - towards the back of the bike, (so I was attempting to turn the plug anti-clockwise) |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 06/28/15 at 01:42:37 4C7375726F6840060 wrote:
Thanks - is that a long nosed' vice grip? |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 06/28/15 at 01:52:49 Here are a couple of pics of the bike in question, (taken by the previous owner, Dan): http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/NdoAAOSwrklVZZPn/$_57.JPG http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/dekAAOSwv0tVZZPq/$_57.JPG |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Dave on 06/28/15 at 03:26:00 Nice looking hardtail bobber off-road bike.....first one I have seen! ;D OK.....Here is my normal oil drain plug speech. The drain plug should only be "snug"....not tightened down with both hands. The plug only needs to be tight enough to seal, it does not hold the engine into the frame. Tighten it with a single hand and don't really crank down on it.....and I have gotten rid of all my 12 point wrenches and sockets and I only use 6 point tools anymore. If you fail to get it out any other way, you can try cutting, filling or grinding some flats on the head so the vice grips can get a better bite - or take it to someone with a welder and weld a nut or old socket onto the plug to get it out. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 06/28/15 at 04:02:27 23383A646E636E570 wrote:
Thanks - is that a long nosed' vice grip?[/quote] Yes indeed...and should have it loose in a jiffy. Listen to Dave, when you put the new one in just make it good and snug that's all you need. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 06/28/15 at 04:47:37 Thanks guys. When I am in a position to fit the new plug I will certainly follow your advice! Am just on my way out to get my hands on some long nose vice grips. And Dave - yes I'm sure this really is the first RYCA you have ever seen! ;D |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 06/30/15 at 09:41:14 Gentlemen - many thanks for all your advice. I have a pair of long nose vice grips on the way, and just in case they don't do the trick I also have my eye on a set of Irwin bolt removers - available from Screwfix in the UK at a decent price (£15). Will be looking to get my oil change sorted over the weekend, (I'm a teacher - no time mid week!). Just one question before I get around to this though; all the info I have come across so far indicates I need 1.8 litres of oil, however I have just stumbled across a tech sheet on this site which seemed to indicate that 2.4 litres of oil is required if you are changing the oil filter. Is that correct? |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/30/15 at 10:56:10 Volume? Not certain. A coupla flat spots filed, ground, however. Give those grips something to grip. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 07/01/15 at 00:40:32 405B59070D000D340 wrote:
If you put 2.4 litres (2.5 quarts) of oil in it you're going to have oil in your airbox and a full drain tube. I put 2 quarts (1.9 litres) and it's right where I want it in the sight glass. That's the upright way to do it. Some people like to keep the bike on the side stand and fill it until they can just see the oil in the sight glass. That method will have my bike puking oil and I don't like that, but if you don't mind that, it's the easier way. It's a matter of choice. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/01/15 at 09:30:12 Cheers . I just wanted to make sure I had enough oil. I will put in 1.8 litres, (including ZDDP additive), and will then top up using the oil check window as necessary, (once I have the oil plug removed!). |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/04/15 at 04:03:21 Just a quick update on my attempts with the oil drain plug. I acquired some long nose vice grips and filed a couple of flat spots onto the bolt. I attached the grips and tightened them up using another pair of pliers - but the end result has been the same - no movement of the bolt! Arghhhh! :( I think the next stage will be to try and get hold of a set of Irwin bolt removers and try them. It looks like the guy who built this bobber has spent all the time and money on buying and putting together the RYCA kit, but hasn't done anything with the engine. The oil obviously hasn't been changed and the reason I wanted to do the oil change in the first place is that the engine doesn't sound as if it's running right. Sounds noisy at the top of the head, (cams?), and 'strained' when riding, (some odd vibrational noises when accelerating or decelerating in certain gears). Just thought that putting the 'right' oil in might be a first step in alleviating this. I think I might need a bit of professional help with this one - as my mechanical skills aren't exactly up there! |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 07/04/15 at 10:58:18 What happened when you hit the vice grips with the mallet? Did the mallet just bounce off and the bolt didn't move or did the vice grips come loose and off the bolt head? Did you do it with the engine hot or cold? |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/05/15 at 09:59:00 417E787F62654D0B0 wrote:
Maybe I didn't get the grips on tight enough or didn't dremmel the bolt flat enough - but the grips just moved around the bolt! The engine had been warmed up prior to me draining the fuel and getting the bike on its side for easier access. I think I am going to get someone a little more experienced in mechanics to have a look at for me. The wife suggested the bolt could have a reverse thread, (this is an LS400 not an LS650), and if she's right .... :-[ |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by verslagen1 on 07/05/15 at 10:13:22 [quote author=3C27257B717C71480 link=1435426300/15#17 date=1436115540]The wife suggested the bolt could have a reverse thread, (this is an LS400 not an LS650), and if she's right .... :-[/quote] good suggestion, but no, they are right handed. Why don't you just keep grinding the flats til you can use a big adjustable metric wrench? (pictured below) |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/05/15 at 10:49:39 I've been known to twist both ways on a stuck bolt. If there is room for a full sized pair of vise grips, get some with flat gripping surfaces, not curved. At this point, a small pipe wrench and cheater pipe may be in order. Id probably be sure that the flat spot is big enough. I know you are tired of messing with it and just wanna win and be done, but now isn't the time to get impatient. You may need to get a small pipe wrench and cut and grind on it until it will fit into the space. I sure would look at a picture... And you are moving the bottom of the plug toward the rear of the bike.. Pretty sure we covered that, but,, , we've never seen one do this. 50/50 acetone and transmission fluid, penetrating oil. Probably not gonna get past the crush washer, if there is one. Maybe that's why it's so tight. I've heated and bent wrenches, cut them in half, shortened allen wrenches, Whatever it took to win. If you ever get in a spot and the wrench is just a bit lose, watch close. If corners are moving, stop, shim it up, crush the wrench in a vise, or measure the head, know that you're using the right tool. But, everyone who has worked on stuff has done this. I work with a guy who will still do it. It's like, Well, I had the right wrench. It was supposed to work. As if that somehow changes the damage and the problem. After five years of me helping him fix stuff, he is starting to listen. You might try heating and quick cooling. A heat gun, even a blow dryer, heat the plug and all around it. Then stick an ice cube just on the plug. Tools at the ready. Needle nose grips tend to twist before they get tight out on the end. You need to be clamping down right down by the handle, not out on the needle nose part. Pair of honkin serious vise grips, plug shaped to give them something to grab And if they are too thick to get in there, grind them down. Keep a can of water to dunk in, don't get them too hot. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 07/05/15 at 10:53:25 2B382F2E313C3A38336C5D0 wrote:
If that doesn't work then you could just use a torch to heat it. Aluminum and steel expand and contract at different rates. Applying a torch should get it free with very little hassle. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/05/15 at 10:54:31 Cheers guys, Next chance I will get to have another go at this will be the weekend. I'm not going to let it beat me - but it's sooooo frustrating! Should have been such a simple little job! ;) |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/06/15 at 05:04:30 The proper way to afix vice grips is to tighten the adjusting screw to the point where you can not close the grip handle, and then back off the screw just enough to close the handle. They should be impossible to open without the use of the opening lever. Also, many knock-off versions of vice grips simply don't work. Good vice grips have very aggressive teeth so they don't slip. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Dave on 07/06/15 at 09:53:26 What Gary says..... My nephew couldn't get some small screws out and stripped the JIS socket (looks like Phillips head). I grabbed some small knock-off vice grips he had, and when I tightened them down on the screw head the teeth on the vice grips flattened and they popped off the screw head. The next day I brought my "Genuine Vice Grips" and they grabbed onto the screw and they came right out. You should also not use the needle nose variety unless that is the only kind you can fit on the bolt head. The shorter the jaws and the closer you have the bolt to the pivot point on the jaws....the tighter the grip on the bolt will be. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/06/15 at 10:59:10 Gary / Dave, Thanks for the advice. I acquired a pair of long nose vice grips because of the limited space around the oil plug. Paying £5, (that's about $7.50), for a set off ebay may be the problem. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Dave on 07/06/15 at 11:13:57 Can you ride the bike over to someone that can weld a new nut on the stub? They can fuse a nut that is biq enough that they can weld on the inside.....and leave the hex available for your wrench. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/15 at 11:40:49 I'm not seeing success with needle nose. If it rounded off with a wrench, the surface area of the needle nose contact, out on the skinny end, ain't gonna get it. Re read my post above. Tools aren't sacred. Some jobs require cutting, bending,welding, even making a tool. The wrench was moving, you thought you were winning, but, moments later you discovered that the head had lost its corners. Try to remember how the wrench fit, how far would it move, before it contacted the head. A twelve point wrench only shoves on the edge of the corner. This moment, uncool and unfunny, can help you avoid stuff like this in years to come. Looking back, knowing now that a wrench moving doesn't mean the bolt is, and usually, when a drain plug breaks loose, it goes from wrench to finger tight almost immediately, the threads aren't exposed to the elements, and they typically aren't installed and left I in place for years... So, what would you do differently? I've messed up Phillips head screws, taken a pin punch, driven the metal back in place, hammered a tip in and tried again. The location that you're in limits access,, I really wish we had pics. I might have another idea, but seeing would help. Do you have a vise, grinder, other than Dremel, no knocking them, I have two. What kinda fabricating tools do you have? Is the plug damaged all the way from the top to bottom of the head evenly or is it tapered? I don't rember how tall the head is on one of these. I have some ideas, like shaping the head up,, putting a few notches in it, drilling a nut out, notching it, poking HARD wire, hobby shop, piano/ control rod, wire. In the slots,JB IT together, of course NOT allowing the JB to get in places that screw it up.... You may wind up with the motor on the bench. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/06/15 at 12:07:57 Dave / Justin, Thanks for all the advice. I am taking it over to a friend of a friend to have a look at - but it will probably be the week after next, (due to work limitations etc). I don't have any fabricating / welding gear but he is a bike mechanic and sounded optimistic in getting this sorted. There has been so much brilliant advice given here I can't thank you all too much. I will keep you posted on how I get on and will get some pics up once I find the charger for my camera, (I'm not a mobile phone person!). Justin, I know what you are saying about the wrench moving. I suppose the initial problem was that the drain plug is difficult to access and at first I couldn't really see what I was doing as I didn't have the bike on it's side. It was only after I realised that I wasn't winning that I hunted down additional tips on this site - hence my makeshift bike support. And the nut isn't tapered, (yet!). Just nicely rounded all sides - apart from where I have attempted to dremmel some flat surfaces. I do have an angle grinder somewhere - but I don't think I will be able to gain access with this given the limited space between the plug and frame. Once again thanks everyone for the assistance. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/15 at 20:19:10 I'm glad you're getting help. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/12/15 at 09:08:04 Gentlemen - thank you ever so much for all your help. At last - SUCCESS!! The oil plug is finally out! ;D Here is what I have learned from this experience: 1) Listen to the members on this site! 2) If you can, (after draining the fuel tank), get the bike on it's side - it makes access to the oil plug so much easier, (I used a fishing seat, old army kit bag and a couple of old sun lounger covers as a makeshift support). 3) If vise grips are needed - buy the real deal. Only after I had forked out on a pair of Irwin vise grips did I manage to get the oil plug off. The cheap ones just rounded the oil plug more. 4) If your oil plug is as stubborn as mine get some heat on it, (a butane torch meant for cooking worked wonders for me!). 5) If necessary apply a little brute force. I hit the bolt from the side a couple of times with a cold chisel, then heated it up with the butane torch before getting a proper grip using some 'decent' vise grips. All this did the trick! Once again thanks everyone for all the help and advice. [smiley=dankk2.gif] |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 07/12/15 at 19:08:12 Cheers! I Hope we get a ride report after you get the oil changed. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/15 at 19:26:06 Get a new crush washer. Don't crush it.. You should never need to lay the bike down for an oil change. Know what wrench fits, The oil plug doesn't hold the bike together.. Whoever put that in musta been about nuts. Good thing it didn't wreck the case threads. The surface smooth? |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by old_rider on 07/12/15 at 23:16:08 Good deal! Glad to see you got it tackled. I would suggest a new oil plug though, or have a mate weld a decent nut on it for you. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 07/13/15 at 00:42:20 293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
Lol...nuts about bolts ;D. Good one! |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/13/15 at 06:09:14 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
I agree 100%. Here's a bit of advice. Take all of your 12-point box end wrenches and sockets, and put them somewhere so you can't find them. Use only 6-point wrenches and sockets and you'll never have another rounded bolt or nut ever again. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/15 at 06:39:01 Gary makes a point, but ,six sided box ends are scarce. A twelve point is pretty much what's handy. Just don't overtighten. NEW CRUSH WASHER, inspect the case surface, needs to be flat, that plug is Long winded, I wrapped around it with string and spun it out. Next oil change,you lay on starboard side, get wrench on , aimed forward, smack down. It should resist, pop loose and the weight of the wrench should fall, I held down and smacked the wrench. Before you install the plug, get a wrench on it that has the least free play you can find, Mark the wrench so you're not guessing up in a hard place to see. I've etched and marked certain wrenches... If you need a cheater pipe, you Did it wrong..I only used the other wrench or hammer to break it loose because it's an awkward angle and my shoulders don't like it. I've never seen an oil plug cause such trauma.,,I wish I could have seen has much the wrench moved freely on the plug . With a six point, slop worries me, with a twelve point, it's not gonna take much slop before I'm gonna do something to solve that Before I round corners. And don't be fooled by dirty bolt. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Dave on 07/13/15 at 06:42:32 454F4B414A43474E101612220 wrote:
I agree 100%. Here's a bit of advice. Take all of your 12-point box end wrenches and sockets, and put them somewhere so you can't find them. Use only 6-point wrenches and sockets and you'll never have another rounded bolt or nut ever again.[/quote] Yep....I did that. I can't see the benefit of a 12 point socket, as the ratchet can be rotated easily to fit the 6 point socket on the hex head. The 12 point box end or combination wrench puts very little wrench in contact with the hex and makes it easy to round off bolts/nuts - so all of my combination and box end wrenches are also 6 point. If there is limited movement available....the 6 point ratchet wrenches help to get things off in a hurry. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/13/15 at 10:38:57 Lots of sound advice again everyone. [smiley=dankk2.gif] I agree that lying the bike on it's side is a bit scary - but it's a tip I came across and as I don't have a bike jack my makeshift support meant there was no damage to the bike. I never would have gotten the drain plug off with the bike just on it's stand. There was an awful lot of trauma with this thing and I am really surprised as the bike has done less than 300 miles since it was bobbed, (not by me). I don't think the original builder changed the oil and at some point someone has really gone to work tightening the oil plug down. The good news is that the oil plug is out, there is no damage to the bike, a new plug is in, (tightened just 'snugly'), a new filter is in, new oil, (pepped up with some zddp additive), and after a brief test ride there are no leaks! The next thing I am going to do is get some insulating tape on the tabs which the headlight rim screws onto. Another thread here indicates that this may be contributing to some of the vibrational noise I am coming across when riding, (and this is a hard tail after all). In relation to the combination spanners I originally used - I have a decent Teng set and picked the size which seemed to fit snuggest, (bearing in mind it was difficult to see with the bike just on it's stand). This was all about 'feel', and I first used the open end of the spanner and originally thought I was getting the job done. It was only when I realised the 'movement' was the bolt starting to round that all the trauma began! Anyway happy ending for now and once again thanks everyone. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/15 at 11:09:17 In your case, you had to lay it down. Normally, it's a low hassle, zero drama event. The drain pan can be a retired cake pan, only hasta hold two quarts. Even a cut down milk jug. Easiest way i found was lay down on the starboard side of the bike and point that wrench forward, slap down, spanking with another wrench was usually how I got it. Oil filter Can be installed backwards,, but, it nearly always destroys the engine. The o ring can stick to the back of the filter and wind up in the trash. I recommend buying at least three filters at a time and having some o rings for the filter and the cover.and I like having crush washers around. Coupla gallons of Rotella and you'd be set for quite a while. Being down because I need a fifty cent part that's twenty miles away doesn't make me happy. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by tom3949 on 07/13/15 at 12:24:44 Thanks Justin - good advice, (again!). We can't get Rotella in the UK but I have come across Mobil 4T Racing and Valvoline VR1. Both have a high ZDDP content - 1300ppm for the Mobil. I have used Mobil 4T this time around but it's expensive and I think I will go for the Valvoline next time as it's much cheaper, (£6 - £7 per litre or about £28 for 5 litres compared with £11 - £12 per litre for the Mobil). I haven't been able to identify the Rotella equivalent in the UK - but I'm sure it wouldn't be as cheap as you can get it over your side of the pond in any case. When it comes to fuel and oil we just get ripped off in the UK. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 07/13/15 at 18:44:36 I'm using Mobil 4T Racing 10W-40 currently and it's about $9/£5.81 per quart. I can't imagine paying £12/$18.58 per quart You guys have heavy taxes over there. £2.63 per gallon duty and 20% VAT on the price of the fuel and the duty are directly taxed to the consumer. There's also the PRT tax and the corporate taxes that get passed along indirectly. Seems excessive but the taxes go for good things. We need a higher taxes here since those specific taxes pay for our infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc), which any motorcyclist can tell you is in serious peril. |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Art Webb on 07/13/15 at 20:20:26 Six point wrenches are great where you have room to swing them, but you don't always have that room, and a 12 point box end will usually do the trick Of course on the oil plug some can get a socket on it, I never tried, I just used my (12 point) box wrench I had a set of those Metrinch wrenches / sockets one time, and they were awesome, the box ends were six point, so they were of limited use working in an auto shop, but they hit the nuts / bolts on the flats, not the corners, and they NEVER slipped Hell, you could round a bolt with another wrench, and the metrinch would get the sucker off the other mechanics didn't like them, because they had a fair bit of play, but they never, ever rounded a bolt (you would twist the head off first) I disagree we need more taxes, I think less waste is the answer, but that's a discussion for TT |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by chzeckmate on 07/13/15 at 20:31:59 These are super handy to have around. http://www.ebay.com/itm/GearWrench-14mm-Flat-Ratcheting-Open-Box-End-Wrench-Polished-Chrome-Free-Ship-gf-/121688897297?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c55393711 |
|
Title: Re: Rounded Oil Drain Plug Post by Art Webb on 07/13/15 at 20:59:41 I have the Matco Stubby set of those, though the 10mm is MIA atm best (almost only) way to get the thermostat out of a GM 3.1l v6 in a Lumina without pulling the exhaust crossover or upper intake (even then it's a PITA) |
|
SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2! YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved. |