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Message started by Paraquat on 06/11/15 at 06:13:49

Title: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendment
Post by Paraquat on 06/11/15 at 06:13:49

'No one helped her': NJ woman murdered by ex while awaiting gun permit

Carol Bowne knew her best shot at defending herself from a violent ex was a gun, and not a piece of paper. And it was paperwork that left her unprotected when Michael Eitel showed up at her New Jersey home last week and stabbed her to death, say Second Amendment advocates, who charge local police routinely sit on firearms applications they are supposed to rule on within 30 days.

Bowne, 39, had a restraining order against Eitel when he killed her in her driveway last Wednesday, but she was still waiting for Berlin Township Police Chief Leonard Check to approve the gun permit she had applied for on April 21. Tragically, she had gone to the township police department just two days before her death to check on the status of her languishing application. In another indication of her fear of Eitel, Bowne had recently installed surveillance cameras around her home, and the equipment recorded the 45-year-old ex-con attacking her as she arrived home and got out of her car.

“She should have been granted that permit in a timely matter, especially given her status as a domestic violence victim,” said Evan Nappen, a New Jersey-based attorney who specializes in Second Amendment cases.

New Jersey's gun laws are among the nation's strictest, but law-abiding citizens are eligible to purchase and possess handguns after filling out forms available at their local police stations, submitting to a background check on any possible criminal history or mental health issues, giving fingerprints and paying a fee. Once those steps are taken, local police conduct a 14-point investigation and the chief is supposed to approve or deny for cause within 30 days.

Check did not return requests for comment, but gun rights advocates say it is not unusual for Garden State police chiefs to take several months to approve handgun permits for qualified applicants.

“The gun law’s intention is to be as difficult and cumbersome as possible,” Alexander Roubian, president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, told FoxNews.com. “They need to be repealed.

“The system is so outdated," Roubian continued. "In most states, you go to the store, get a background check, and purchase a weapon. A police chief should have no part of the process. This woman had a legitimate issue and no one helped her.”

A manhunt for Eitel, who had done time on a kidnapping conviction and had repeatedly threatened Bowne, began shortly after the murder and ended Saturday, when he was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot in another ex-girlfriend's garage.

Bowne's case prompted state senators Dawn Addiego, Diane Allen and Jennifer Beck to announce plans to introduce a bill that will fast-track the handgun permit process for applicants who have obtained a restraining order.

“The tragic murder of Carol Bowne shows that there are sensible changes we should make to public safety laws to help people protect themselves,” said Addiego, a Republican whose district is in southern New Jersey. “This legislation will make sure that those who need protection the most are given priority when it comes to the lengthy process of applying for a firearms permit.”

However, Nappen said even if Bowne had obtained her permit and used a gun to protect herself, she could theoretically be facing charges today because she would not have been allowed to legally carry the gun outside with her.

“New Jersey does not allow law-abiding citizens to get a carry license,” Nappen said.

The absolute best article I ever read in favor of the 2nd Amendment stated:

Quote:

I don't carry a gun because I am afraid. I carry one because it enables me to not be afraid

--Steve

Title: Re: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendm
Post by WebsterMark on 06/11/15 at 13:24:43

If you want a gun, buy a gun. If you carry a gun and you are at one of those stupid places that say no guns allowed, ignore it. Unless they also have a sign saying armed security guards provided, your security is ultimately up to you.

Title: Re: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendm
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/15 at 20:04:16

Title: Re: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendm
Post by Kris01 on 06/13/15 at 07:29:09

447671606776615E726178130 wrote:

If you carry a gun and you are at one of those stupid places that say no guns allowed, ignore it.

Title: Re: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendm
Post by Art Webb on 06/21/15 at 09:52:40

4F766D773435040 wrote:

[quote author=447671606776615E726178130 link=1434028432/0#1 date=1434054283]If you carry a gun and you are at one of those stupid places that say no guns allowed, ignore it.

What many people don't realize is that all they can do is refuse you service. If the sign says "no" and you say "yes", what are they gonna do, throw you to the ground and disarm you? With a permit you are legally allowed to carry. It's the business owners who are "asking" you not to carry on their property. It's not the law.[/quote]

Actually it IS the law, at least in Tx, IF the owner posted signs that comply with the law (Letters at least 1 inch high, contrasting colors, english and spanish, prominently displayed, with the required wording)
ignore them at your risk, you CAN be thrown to the ground, disarmed, and ARRESTED, (by the cops they call on you) and LOSE your license due to a violation of the law as relates to carry of a handgun by a licensed carrier

if you aren't licensed, that a worse violation
Laws are laws, you ignore at your risk

Title: Re: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendm
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/21/15 at 14:19:51

Even IF they honored the Constitution fully and laws that inhibit the free exercise of the right to
Keep and Bear
a business could still prohibit weapons. That's where free market pressure comes into play.

Title: Re: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendm
Post by MnSpring on 06/21/15 at 16:48:43

In Minn, the, ‘law’ is:
A sign, by the property owner,
Which has to so so big, and the letters have to say a, exact thing,
and be a, exact size and font.
AND.
Just having the sign, is not ALL that has to be done.
The owner, (or someone in employ)
MUST, ASK every person coming through the door, if they are caring.

Then, if is is a, ‘yes’, THEN, the THIRD thing Must happen,
they must ask you to leave!

So a ‘owner’ does those three things,
you say, ‘yes’, and, Don’t leave, it is a 25.00 fine, and a minor misdemeanor.
(and you are escorted out)

If a ‘owner’ does those three things,
and one, ‘lies’, and says ’NO’.
(What part of, ‘concealed', do you not understand)
Nothing happens.

Unless they ‘brandish’ it, or some other stupid thing.
then other laws come into play.

Different States, have different regulations.
It is a little thing called, ’States Rights”
Just the little thing that the Civil war was fought over.
It was NOT, about, Slavery, it, BECAME, about Slavery of Black skinned people.
If it was about, ‘just’, Slavery, Why no mention of the
WHITE, Irish ??? or the Yellow Asians ??? Or Brown Mexicans ???

And the Confederate Flag ?
Representing, Bigots and Slavery ???? No Way.
I say, that Flag, represents, a historic time, in the States that flew it,
And it represents a time, when that State, (and many others),
were Sick and Tired, of a, ‘Federal Government’,
telling them WHAT to DO !

Just like a, ‘KING’, a ocean away, was telling people,
What To Do ! 100 years before.

Title: Re: A fatally long wait to exercise the 2nd Amendm
Post by MnSpring on 06/21/15 at 17:01:05

Thinking about the Confederate Flag.

Just because some DUMB, DUMB, DUMB,
And ON DRUGS ! (FACT, Prescribed DRUGS, to, ‘deter’ or, ’normalize’, his behavior.
That, DFI, brandishing that Flag in a video.
That, Makes, that, ‘Flag’, Bad ???????????????????????????

Well, then, better get working on, Banning Roads.
After all, look at Venice, they have VERY Few ‘Road’ accidents !!!!!

Gee, why can’t we be like other, ‘civilized’, places ?