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Title: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/26/15 at 22:38:29 I intend on removing my wheels to get the tires changed (I refuse to pay 60 extra dollars to have each wheel taken off increasing the price from 30 a tire to 90) Anyone have a suggestion on how to do this without a motorcycle jack? and are there any topics on proper rear wheel removal? |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/26/15 at 22:44:39 Have you looked iyTech? I'm sure that there are threads on lift building and tire removal. You don't want it far off the floor and the first time it feels like you need another arm.. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by verslagen1 on 05/26/15 at 22:58:48 in the tech section index towards the bottom are a couple DIY projects. and a couple of jack stands under the foot peg mounts are pretty stable for the front end. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by swing69 on 05/26/15 at 23:07:26 you could remove the tank. lloawn hardware, lay it on its side on balnkets on th floor, then remove the wheels. or, use a board and a car jack, to one end of th bike at a time. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by projectfj on 05/27/15 at 02:12:56 I used a regular jack under the muffler bracket, and a few pieces of wood under the kickstand. Probably not the best option, but it worked for me. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/27/15 at 04:46:00 Thanks guys. Actually quite a few things i am capable of here. I thought about laying it over since the bike is pretty light to me. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/27/15 at 05:57:29 You can support the bike as shown in this thread (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1432054297) and use a car jack (scissor, bottle, hydraulic) to lift the center of the bike. I'd remove the rear tire first. Once the swing arm is on the ground the bike is fairly stable. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by stewmills on 05/27/15 at 07:48:39 When I did my front tire recently, I took the bike down to my barn and used a tie down strap on each side of the 'tree' to evenly secure the front end off the ground (have a low ceiling and I wrapped the strap around the rafter) whilst I supported the body of the bike with blocks under the engine area. Those coupled together supported the weight of the bike and also kept it from being able to tip over. I plan to do my rear maybe tomorrow night and I intend on doing the same. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/27/15 at 07:56:40 i'l be doing it in a parking lot Lol. that and if I drop off the bike to get the tires changed, there isnt a shop in the town that will do it in a day and I dont have a ride back : D |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by old.indian on 05/27/15 at 10:09:31 This makes me EXTREAMLY thankful for the little motorcycle shop here in town. Two brothers who are reasonably priced and guarantee their work. My new Michelins cost the same as the best price on the 'net. $50 got the wheels off (and back on) , tires mounted and balanced, spokes checked, brake shoes and pads inspected, and the belt and rear brake adjusted. All while I was in the back watching and lending the occasional third set of hands when needed. All this, free coffee and good conversation too. :) |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/27/15 at 10:23:57 4C4E5356595F485A563C0 wrote:
this is what I did, three times now, and I didn't even use block under the kickstand don't lift the wheel to the swingarm, going back in, lower the swingarm to the wheel |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/27/15 at 10:25:43 For the rear I pulled the tank, used fat soft rope and a come along. Joists in the shop, plenty strong. No come along? They are cheap. Or, O'Reillys has a Good one for 45.. Cable drum one piece,not laminated. Ratchet on both ends. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/27/15 at 10:37:31 0F0C044E090E0409010E600 wrote:
So I have decided im going to keep my bike at your place and kinda live there Lol. the nearest small shop charges a flat rate of 87 dollars per wheel to unmount and change. (Haaaaate it) |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/27/15 at 11:42:35 You can also get the rear off the ground by finding just the right size block to jam under the right side of the frame, then stand the bike up and tie the handle bar to something to hold it there. I did it, bike pointed out of the garage, tie it from both sides. If you can't tie a bowline and double half hitch, make loops, etc, IOW, if you aren't good with knots, don't try it. Besides, you'll be doing both ends. I d recommend the come along. Surely someone has a motorcycle jack and I GUESS you can get both ends at the same time. I was never that brave... I didn't want it just hanging AND I can't see hanging a wheel on a bike swinging by a rope. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by old.indian on 05/27/15 at 15:39:57 Neilap wrote So I have decided im going to keep my bike at your place and kinda live there Lol. the nearest small shop charges a flat rate of 87 dollars per wheel to unmount and change. (Haaaaate it) Works for me...But you'll have to earn your keep. You can either weed the acre, OR clean up after the goats I rented to do (eat) the weeds. FYI..I checked and the guys at the shop would LOVE to have another gringo make fun of/ point and giggle at..... :) |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/27/15 at 17:02:13 You don't have a friend with a tree in the yard? |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/27/15 at 17:09:51 I do back in my home town 145 miles south. but not where I live now |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/27/15 at 17:11:20 787B73397E79737E7679170 wrote:
Lol, True. the funniest thing will be seeing me ride the bike. 6'4 size 16 boots. I weight all but 25 give or take pounds as the bike does Lol |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/27/15 at 17:26:15 Read the post about using a block under the frame. Measure , park it, measure from asphalt to bottom of frame. Now,go around the bike, grab the handle bar and pull more weight onto the Sidestand,see how that raises the frame on the other side? Get two blocks, you've measured, so, get stuff that thick, Break the axle nut loose before you get it up. A few bits and pieces of skinny stuff, cuz when you push the passenger side to lift it, you'll be able to kick a thicker chunk under the frame. Typing this, I don't know that you are Getting What im saying.. It's what I would do if I was backed in the corner. I've installed a transmission in a pulling unit, on site, in operation, in the West Texas sand,no one helped.. I've changed the frame on two pickups , You wanna talk about this, pm me, I will give you my number. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/27/15 at 17:32:08 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
only capable with texting Atm, kids asleep and such. But I get you. Im also trying to figure out what size the rear axle nut is and what all I need to do to remove it for shop ready tire removal. I've been looking at the clymers manual on here but I would much rather prefer a video givin its my primary work transportation (My car clutch acts like it doesnt exist when its hot outside, by hot 74 degrees and up) |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/27/15 at 18:46:21 Man, I am so sorry I can't help more.. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by verslagen1 on 05/27/15 at 21:29:02 715A56535E4F3F0 wrote:
only capable with texting Atm, kids asleep and such. But I get you. Im also trying to figure out what size the rear axle nut is and what all I need to do to remove it for shop ready tire removal. I've been looking at the clymers manual on here but I would much rather prefer a video givin its my primary work transportation (My car clutch acts like it doesnt exist when its hot outside, by hot 74 degrees and up) [/quote] 17mm on left side 24mm on the nut. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/28/15 at 09:26:45 And keep up with which side the spacers come out of. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Tocsik on 05/28/15 at 13:12:08 Neilap, I'm gonna go through this with you in parallel. I just ordered my tires and they should arrive in a couple days. I made the cheap bike lift (http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/bikelift.htm) and put eye bolts in each end. I plan on removing the seat (and maybe the gas tank), strapping it down real good to the eye bolts and pulling the rear wheel (breaking the nut loose before putting on the lift). I'll try and brace it up real good after that and see if taking off the front wheel feels like the bike will remain stable. I'm also considering picking up a cheap floor jack so I can lower the bike to the wheel instead of lifting the wheel to the mounting points. Any idea what your strategy is going to be? I have the luxury of doing this in my garage and wish you luck in the parking lot. In addition to saving some money, I agree with others that I should know how to pull my own wheels. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/28/15 at 13:35:20 That bike lift is cheap and TONS safer. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/28/15 at 16:20:23 Heck, Neil, you nearly out weight the bike, just pick up the rear end and set it on jack stands under the peg mounts ;D Seriouslt there's not a lot to pulling the rear wheel Break loose the Axle raise the rear of the bike disconnect the rear brake rod slide the axle out (the slack adjusters will fall loose) move the wheel all the way forward remove the belt from the rear pulley Pull the wheel out toward the rear (I thread mine between the fender and the swingarm) done |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/28/15 at 19:18:24 27343231232424460 wrote:
Ah ha. thank you sir. the clymers manual just confused me with out it was written. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/28/15 at 19:21:21 7F44485842402B0 wrote:
That works. and yeah.. I think I have an idea actually because I can lift my bike off the ground entirely pretty easy. (I think I should change my name is savage bigfoot) I may just get a few cinderblocks or something to just lift the bike up onto. I just run into the issues of having no real place to put equipment apart from my car and things light enough to easily carry up and down 3 flights of stairs |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/28/15 at 19:29:12 Oh and Art. I forgot to mention yeah Lol I am almost the same weight as the bike but atleast its just from being a large statured person with some fat. I guess thats why I can ride through 3 inches of standing water with a bald rear tire and having perfect stability Woot |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/28/15 at 19:39:19 LOL, I've picked my whole fool S40 up off a truck tailgate, (with me on the ground) but it was a desperation move Lifting just the rear is pretty easy though, I've done it a number of times |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/28/15 at 19:49:09 Yup. when it gets desperate I will just rope it up to my back and walk with it Lol if I can manage to get a picture with me on it from the Fiance il show you all how funny it looks |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/28/15 at 19:51:57 Probably like me on a Rebel Looking forward to it |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/28/15 at 20:28:12 if it gives you a clue, for me on a savage which I find comfy other than the seat hurts my rear end after 50 miles worth of sitting on it. I need a comfy solo. I sit in the same position you would sit on a chair. its awesome o-o. the only complaint I have is I would REALLY like my break pedal extended out more so I wouldnt have to lift my leg and turn my foot sideways to use the rear break. its a safety hazard |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/28/15 at 20:43:08 everyone's butt hurts on a savage after 50 miles ;D if you find a Comfy solo, I'd like to know about it, although part of me wants to retain a place for a close riding partner, I weigh a couple hundred lbs myself, so she'd have to be fairly slight I think the seat's shape has somewhat to do with it, though some members have had good luck with the airhawk cushion |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by KennyG on 05/28/15 at 20:49:20 Somewhere posted on the forum is a modification to the seat pan to eliminate the pain in one's tailbone when riding. I am not sure what to search for but it is here somewhere. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/28/15 at 21:27:50 Jesus I would love to know what that mod is. its comfy to ride except for the rearest part of my rear. and I would keep the second seat but the GVWR with me on the bike only leaves 50 lbs and im paranoid about rolling a tire |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/28/15 at 21:46:33 There was a mod like that for the rebel, to remove the 'torture plate' but I never saw one like that here |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by KennyG on 05/28/15 at 21:51:00 I found it here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1252693349/15 Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/28/15 at 22:11:52 Hmmm, that looks sort of tough for the one piece seat, sorta worried I might muck it up Still might try it, I did bookmark the thread |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/29/15 at 08:58:17 So I just remembered I have a scissor jack from a car I used to own. is it a viable option to lift the bike by the engine enough to sit a block underneath the bike? |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/29/15 at 09:03:08 Neil there's a plate below the swingarm pivot that works very well as a jacking point, I use it with my floor jack all the time, it should work well for the rear tire, just be sure the jack doesn't slip off the plate I would use a block between a jack and the engine, if you jack it there for the front wheel, just because you want to spread the load as much as possible |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/29/15 at 09:22:28 Copy that. I will probably change it out come monday when my 3 day work week is over. Caaant wait to see what new tires is like lol |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/15 at 13:46:42 I hope you have a friend to get everything lined up, hold the bike etc. I would run the jack up and down, lube it up, you don't need any unnecessary problems while you're trying to get the bike up. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Dane Allen on 05/29/15 at 17:20:34 I use the ratcheting tie down method with the beam in the garage. A 4-pack is something like $15 at Home Depot or Harbor Freight (don't recall which). Works front and back. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/29/15 at 17:26:26 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
Il do everything i can buut unfortunately I dont have those friends things lol. My family members dont even hear from me for 2 years at a time |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/29/15 at 17:29:18 Il actually be using a parkinglot. Either jackin it up by the plate underneath or laying it over on its side. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/15 at 17:53:11 a scissor jack will drop it. Look at the home built wooden lift, rent a motorcycle lift, do something, but the pushing and pulling,lining up the wheels guts, belt, everything, you're probably gonna shove it off the jack. If you can park the front against a pole and tie it to it, good step. I can't see getting it apart or together laying down. You just might be ahead to pay... |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/29/15 at 23:24:14 Aaand thats why I ask lol. Clymers doesnt cover it and i take things extremely literal. I may ask around and see, there are a few family shops within 100 miles. Something i can get it done while im there opposed to 3 days. i would adapt my car to haul the bike which would fix my no ride home issue Buuuut the clutch slips bad the shifter linkage is sloppy, popped exhaust valve and so many sensor problems i get 14 mpg in city with a ford focus :p |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/15 at 00:48:07 Well, I don't pay for what I can do. I hate to see you spend the cash, but, it just looks like the smart answer this time. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/30/15 at 01:10:07 Yeah. Im probably going to have the rear done. The front tireis pretty straight forward isnt it? |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/15 at 01:21:24 lots easier, but, you can still drop it.. Though odds are much more in your favor. |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/30/15 at 11:59:14 That's why I leve mine on the sidestand while removing / installing the wheel, and lower the bike to the wheel leaving it on the sidestand gives 3 points of cantact (and yes, you can get it high enough) and lowering it to the wheel means hving both hands free to manipulate all the spacers, etc BTW if you get it all together and find the slot for the brake plate missed the tab on the frame, it can be wiggled into place with a prybar so long as you don't tighten the axle and are gentle |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/31/15 at 00:35:09 Thanks for all the information. I luckily got ahold of a friend back home roughly 150 miles south i went to school with that U I havnt seen in 7 years is going to do it for me for 40 dollars all together. He owns bikes and is a mechanic so alls good. I just have to set the innertubes since all his stuff is tubeless |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/31/15 at 00:38:08 Oh and if anyone is wondering this is my tire. It was fully squared off when i got it but i got it rounded off some |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/31/15 at 08:28:56 wow PO musta been a freeway flyer |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Neilap on 05/31/15 at 09:41:40 Thats what Im saying. I cant really dip into corners without a noticeable change in travel path on that rear tire lol first 200 miles i put on it, it would fight tooth and nail to lean at higher speeds |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by Art Webb on 05/31/15 at 10:15:06 be careful with the new one at first, the bike will tip in a lot easier |
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Title: Re: Rear wheel removal Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/31/15 at 10:31:09 Mold release agent on new tires can make you crash. Don't go aggressively hitting corners. |
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