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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> S40 vs 883 /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1432504182 Message started by DesertRat on 05/24/15 at 14:49:42 |
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Title: S40 vs 883 Post by DesertRat on 05/24/15 at 14:49:42 can anyone tell me why the weight difference? HD 883 @ 883cc = 562lbs S40 @ 652cc = 381lbs where is HD putting 181lbs? Is 231cc that much more motor weight? Is it in the frame? |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by Serowbot on 05/24/15 at 14:57:15 The engine is only about 60 lbs heavier, I believe... (I believe it's about 160lbs or so)... I think Harley hides lead in the frames... ;D... |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by verslagen1 on 05/24/15 at 15:03:26 everything has to be heavier on a hardly driven because of all the polishing that goes on, otherwise they would just wear away. |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by DesertRat on 05/24/15 at 15:07:28 I was wondering if it had to our "litigious" society, maybe over engineering the carp outta the frame to avoid lawsuits? |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by DesertRat on 05/24/15 at 15:08:45 263522233C3137353E61500 wrote:
trailer queens? lol p.s. I don't care for spit and polish, had enough of that carp in the US military. |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by gerald.hughes on 05/24/15 at 17:56:55 There is a different approach to building the bikes. I think one of the places where this shows up is in the controls. Compare the brake and clutch levers on the two bikes. |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by DesertRat on 05/24/15 at 18:18:14 5D5F485B565E14524F5D525F493A0 wrote:
there's definitely a build difference, but almost 200lbs difference? |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by oldNslow on 05/24/15 at 19:50:26 I read someplace that an 883 motor weighs about 180. Someone on here said that a savage motor is around 100. a savage holds a little over 2 quarts of oil - a bit less than 4 pounds. 883 holds almost 5 between the motor and the primary - twice as much ,say around 8 pounds savage holds 2.8 gallons of gas - about 16 pounds for a full tank 883 either 4.5 or 3.5 depending on the model - 26 or 21 pounds So 9 or 14 more pounds just in fluids depending on the model. Everything on the HD is heavier by some varying amount. Frame, fenders, seat, wheels, suspension, etc It doesn't take a huge difference in the weight of any one part for the incremental differences to add up. Besides, the engineering, and marketing, philosophy of HD and the Asian mfrs. is completely different. Harley has never been concerned with weight. It just isn't an important parameter with regard to to how the motorcycles function, either to the company management or to most of it's customers. Just because a Sportster is a heavy bike doesn't automatically make it a bad one. Harley's are different. A lot of folks must think that's ok, or Harley wouldn't sell so many of them. And there wouldn't be so many bikes by other mfrs that are pretty transparent Sportster imitations. |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by DesertRat on 05/24/15 at 19:55:54 oldNslow, so the 80lbs motor difference, fluid weights and "other" structural and cosmetics make up the difference ... great to know, thanks for the data ... |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by MMRanch on 05/24/15 at 21:09:44 I've got both and after riding the Sportster for a week the S=40 feels like a toy . :) |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by Todd James on 05/24/15 at 23:48:34 I've got both and after riding the Sportster for a week the S-40 feels sporty. ;D |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by Serowbot on 05/25/15 at 01:01:58 Quite a few of us have that pair in our stable... I wish I could mindmeld the two into a tweeny weight and power machine, while keeping the simplicity of a no-frill, air-coolied, old school momosical... Don't know how you'd get a 1 1/2 cylinder engine though... :-/... |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by Rylee on 05/25/15 at 08:49:07 @Todd I have both as well. The sporty is an 09 and I hop on it mostly when I'm in a rush because the fuel injection makes for a quicker get away than the savage. I just finished paying it off so parts have been ordered to chop it up and hard tail/stretch it in the coming weeks. Once that's done I think the decision on which one to take will become harder as they will both be customized. |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by DesertRat on 05/25/15 at 11:34:03 which one would you folks prefer to ride freeway for extended periods or highway commute? |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by Serowbot on 05/25/15 at 11:47:39 If bigger bikes are good for anything,.. that's the thing... The Savage would win for everything else,... but not freeway, long distance... JMHO... |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by old_rider on 05/25/15 at 12:44:40 0F2E382E393F192A3F4B0 wrote:
Well, its all in what you like, how its set up, or what you are willing to put up with. I'll ride anything long distance.... just to do it. And since I haven't ridden a sporty (883 version) long distance, I couldn't tell you or even compare it to the savage. However, riding from Florida to Texas I was "ok" with the savage, and even better on the way home after buying the airhawkII (Thanks Neil). My brother purchased 2007 883 and didn't make it 75miles on our first ride (I had a 1300VTX at the time) before his hips started hurting really bad. By the time our ride was over (about 250 miles) he could barely walk! If you have neither and are wanting to know which to get, see if one of these guys that posted are close enough for you to meet and greet :) perhaps a ride would be in order :) |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by Todd James on 05/25/15 at 22:06:44 I would choose my Sporty over my S40 for an extended freeway ride because it feels more stable in a crosswind and in wind buffeting from trucks. However, I'm a relatively inexperienced rider and with more time in the saddle I might be less bothered by the wind buffeting and more comfortable with the nimble handling of the S40. In response to old_rider's suggestion above, I'd be pleased to let a Forum Member take my Sporty for a ride if it would help him or her to make a decision on which scoot to get. |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by MMRanch on 05/25/15 at 22:20:44 I've got the 25 tooth pulley on my S-40 and it does the Super-Slab at 75 GPS (Speedometer 63) just fine. That's about 4500 RPM/@/ 75MPH , The top speed didn't change any , just the "Cruse-ability". The 883 w/(1200 primary-drive) will cruse at 80 mph easy but MPG at that speed will make you CRY ! [smiley=cry.gif] [smiley=cry.gif] on either one of them ! :P At 65 mph they both get about the same mpg. ;) |
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by LANCER on 05/26/15 at 07:36:27 7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
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Title: Re: S40 vs 883 Post by Rylee on 05/26/15 at 12:17:41 For me the savage is my preferred long distance bike. But it's not stock. I've built it to be very comfortable with the stretched frame and riding position. Once the sporty is hardtailed I'm sure it will be a coin toss at that point. Suspension wise even though the sporty currently has the stock setup TBH it rides about as rough as the hardtailed/dropped forked Savage. I've had 2 newer sportsters and an older evo and all of them rode pretty rough for stock bikes. The evo was a 91 with a 10 over front, 21" wheel and no front brakes with rabbit ear bars. It had a lot of flop and required decent arm strength to control so it's hard to say it was a "long distance" bike. That being said it definitely seen the most long distance rides of any bike I've see owned. Gearing wise the savage now is geared for highway so it's more comfortable at super slab speeds. The 09 sporty I have now feels like it's gonna throw the engine from the frame anywhere over 75mph. |
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