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Message started by spearheadss on 05/10/15 at 17:56:53

Title: Anyone need....
Post by spearheadss on 05/10/15 at 17:56:53

....A headlight?

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/15 at 18:14:06

The site software makes it impossible for me to express my feelings.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by old_rider on 05/11/15 at 04:24:28

I just wonder how the shocks hold up...... and in a turn if they cut it a little too fast, guess they have to watch the balance.... even if everything was aluminum it would be a mess to control.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/11/15 at 10:24:25

just wow

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by dustin1455 on 05/12/15 at 20:16:48

............................................................... 'murica?   :-?

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by dontwannapickle on 05/12/15 at 23:30:20

Naw. Look at the flags.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by HovisPresley on 05/12/15 at 23:40:57


69787E7964633C3938380D0 wrote:
............................................................... 'murica?   :-?

Bristol, UK, but the photo is from 2007/8 I think, feast your eyes on these;
http://www.bristolmod.co.uk/old/index.htm

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Paladin. on 05/13/15 at 00:18:31


44474F59424F4E592B0 wrote:
I just wonder how the shocks hold up...... and in a turn if they cut it a little too fast, guess they have to watch the balance.... even if everything was aluminum it would be a mess to control.
All of the mirrors and headlights are mounted on the front luggage rack, mounted on the body, not the forks.  Weight is not a big problem.  I carry a 24 case of bottles of beer on the front rack.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Arnold on 05/13/15 at 07:23:33


280F160913301205130C0519600 wrote:
[quote author=69787E7964633C3938380D0 link=1431305814/0#4 date=1431487008]............................................................... 'murica?   :-?

Bristol, UK, but the photo is from 2007/8 I think, feast your eyes on these;
http://www.bristolmod.co.uk/old/index.htm
[/quote]

all of them near sighted...

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/13/15 at 07:46:43


06373A37323F38560 wrote:
[quote author=44474F59424F4E592B0 link=1431305814/0#2 date=1431343468]I just wonder how the shocks hold up...... and in a turn if they cut it a little too fast, guess they have to watch the balance.... even if everything was aluminum it would be a mess to control.
All of the mirrors and headlights are mounted on the front luggage rack, mounted on the body, not the forks.  Weight is not a big problem.  I carry a 24 case of bottles of beer on the front rack.
[/quote]
Front rack? what's that? I never saw a scooter with a front rack, just a windshield, fender, and a teeny wheel like a piano caster
of course this excludes some more current models and the big scooters

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by HAPPYDAN on 05/13/15 at 11:47:48

I suppose James Bond would say:

INDEED, QUITE ILLUMINATING!

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by spearheadss on 05/13/15 at 11:59:18


75524B544E6D4F584E5158443D0 wrote:
[quote author=69787E7964633C3938380D0 link=1431305814/0#4 date=1431487008]............................................................... 'murica?   :-?

Bristol, UK, but the photo is from 2007/8 I think, feast your eyes on these;
http://www.bristolmod.co.uk/old/index.htm
[/quote]


Wow. There is a whole club of them.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by HovisPresley on 05/13/15 at 13:08:00

Quadrophenia
This is a good film about the mods and rockers in '60s Britain;
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079766/

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by old_rider on 05/13/15 at 18:29:13

Don't see a front rack on any of those club ones... but a 24 pack? I used to carry a 24 case on my seat behind me, strapped down with bungies.... LOL, that's why I put the tourpack on the savage... so I could carry a case AND a 16" pizza :D

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Paladin. on 05/14/15 at 12:42:14


382B2D2E3C3B3B590 wrote:
... Front rack? what's that? I never saw a scooter with a front rack, just a windshield, fender, and a teeny wheel like a piano caster
of course this excludes some more current models and the big scooters
Front rack:  http://www.andruschak.net/Scooters/shopping-hoe.jpg
The Vespa has a steel monocoque body instead of a separate frame plus body panels like most scooters.  Which means that front rack is frame mounted and is quite solid.

My scoot is a shopping cart.  Has storage under the seat, 10 pounds of potatoes with spare for more.  Scooter tail boxes are smooth and roundy and cost $200 plus -- I have a 8-gallon Rubbermaid storage box, $25 plus $10 for mounting hardware and a pair of padlocks.  I don't know what I had in the box, but the 5 liter box of wine wouldn't fit, and the 30 pound case of bottles does not bother me.
http://www.andruschak.net/Scooters/shopping-beer.jpg

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/14/15 at 20:41:48

Fun, utility,economy, it's everything I'd expect from Paladin.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/14/15 at 20:58:13


16272A27222F28460 wrote:
[quote author=382B2D2E3C3B3B590 link=1431305814/0#9 date=1431528403] ... Front rack? what's that? I never saw a scooter with a front rack, just a windshield, fender, and a teeny wheel like a piano caster
of course this excludes some more current models and the big scooters
Front rack:  http://www.andruschak.net/Scooters/shopping-hoe.jpg
The Vespa has a steel monocoque body instead of a separate frame plus body panels like most scooters.  Which means that front rack is frame mounted and is quite solid.

My scoot is a shopping cart.  Has storage under the seat, 10 pounds of potatoes with spare for more.  Scooter tail boxes are smooth and roundy and cost $200 plus -- I have a 8-gallon Rubbermaid storage box, $25 plus $10 for mounting hardware and a pair of padlocks.  I don't know what I had in the box, but the 5 liter box of wine wouldn't fit, and the 30 pound case of bottles does not bother me.
http://www.andruschak.net/Scooters/shopping-beer.jpg[/quote]

Well I'll be dogged, never have seen one of those before, learned something new today :)
now as far as your Rubbermaid 'trunk', I have the exact same one, bought originally for my old EX 500 (sat across the seat and attached to the grab bar with U bolts, looked goofy, worked well)
It'd likely fit the rear rack on my XS quite well, also
I cam awful close to buyimng a big scooter (Bergman 400 I think it was, or maybe Majesty) for those exact same reasons, comfy, utilitarian, and built in storage
I with that had worked out, seemed like a good way to go about 2 wheeling

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by old_rider on 05/15/15 at 12:56:08

Yup, looks like a good scoot to have! Whats the top end on it? I've seen some 300 scoots that can do 90mph...
I have a MAJOR 4 lane I have to travel all the time with folks that can't seem to go under 60mph at times (6-8am and 4-7pm).
I'm always looking for higher mileage and versatility, plus the weight factor for that thing has to be great!

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/16/15 at 12:14:46

the 400 I test rode got up to 80 deceptively fast and was super easy to handle, though the centrifugal clutch takes getting used to (love the CVT though)
I put it on the center stand easier than any moto I ever rode

Me n Old Rider may wind op scooter buddies  ;D

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Dave on 05/16/15 at 15:58:15

My neighbor has large Suzuki 800 V-twin cruiser motorcycle, and a Suzuki 650 Burghman scooter.  He likes the scooter much better than the V-twin, and has over 100,000 miles on the scooter.  He loads it up and rides it like a touring bike.....we just got him some stronger springs for the forks as he loads it up heavy and only had an inch of fork travel left when sitting still.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/16/15 at 22:11:02

I didn't know they went to 800 now, last I knew 650 was the top displacement
but yeah, they're nice, everyone i know that went from a bike to a scooter recommends doing the same
I even thought about getting a small one tostart, and then if I like it as much as I think I will, moving up, but nah, then I'd have to sell the little one  ;D

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Dave on 05/17/15 at 03:46:38


7F6C6A697B7C7C1E0 wrote:
I didn't know they went to 800 now, last I knew 650 was the top displacement
but yeah, they're nice, everyone i know that went from a bike to a scooter recommends doing the same
I even thought about getting a small one tostart, and then if I like it as much as I think I will, moving up, but nah, then I'd have to sell the little one  ;D


Art....I may have said that in a way that made you think he had an 800cc scooter - so I fixed it.  His motorcycle is an 800 Suzuki Volusia.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/17/15 at 07:37:19

Oh, derp, I am easily confused, thanks for clarifying

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by old_rider on 05/17/15 at 09:43:09

Well, after much searching the net and local listings... I might actually think about getting a Vespa, heck they would do well on regular blacktops.
I am not sure I would interstate one for long distances, but would be really interesting taking a long tour using just state roads.
Here is a you tube on the GTS250 top speed...
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqgvK1nxJ8c [/media]

And a local craigslist ad has a fairly cheap one.... but I am not sure if the forward luggage rack is available for the front on the GTS250.
http://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/4986734013.html

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/17/15 at 09:49:58

Wow, 80 MPH from a 250, impressive
If I could find one here within the limits of my CC I'd be tempted for sure
Of course it's have to be from a dealer for the CC to work, so maybe a trade  :-?

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by verslagen1 on 05/17/15 at 10:02:41

all that and the fool did it one handed.

so must ride fairly well.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Paladin. on 05/17/15 at 22:12:26


44575152404747250 wrote:
... I cam awful close to buyimng a big scooter (Bergman 400 I think it was, or maybe Majesty) for those exact same reasons, comfy, utilitarian, and built in storage
I with that had worked out, seemed like a good way to go about 2 wheeling

Yeah, but....  

My first bike was a Honda Sport 50, real motorcycle, clutch, not a semi-auto step-thru Honda Cub 50.  Looked at the Super Scoots in '04, practical, smooth, capable, but I couldn't see myself on one and got the Savage instead.  (Which I figure is about the best motorcycle ever.)  My body doesn't want to swing a leg over a saddle no more.  But I DO miss that instant move when the traffic signal goes green.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Paladin. on 05/17/15 at 22:41:53


55565E48535E5F483A0 wrote:
Yup, looks like a good scoot to have! Whats the top end on it? I've seen some 300 scoots that can do 90mph...
I have a MAJOR 4 lane I have to travel all the time with folks that can't seem to go under 60mph at times (6-8am and 4-7pm).
I'm always looking for higher mileage and versatility, plus the weight factor for that thing has to be great!
Mine is a 150, actually 150.46cc and is 50-State freeway/Interstate legal.    55 mph is no problem, 60 mph is lazy, 65 mph is eventually.

First run over the Grapevine, WOT, I only got 60 mpg.  Hold to a hair under WOT, averaging about 62 mph, I get 70-75 mpg.

With the stock 120/70-10 rear tire I did an actual 65 mph, an indicated 72 mph, at which point I hit a rev-limiter.  I now have a 130/70-10, go maybe 68 mph actual at an indicated 75-76 mph, with the rev-limiter at maybe 77 mph which I haven't hit yet.

L.A. streets generally run 10-15 mph over the posted speeds.  Doing an indicated 50 in a 35 zone I have to watch my butt.  At right now, looking at Sigalert.com, at 10 pm on a Sunday, traffic is running 65-70 mph.  On the freeways in light traffic I am on the right, passing slower vehicles.  In heavy traffic I am in whatever lane is fastest, and actually have gone into the Diamond Lanes.  I wanted less weight, and the 150 is about 250 pounds, wet.

The big frame Vespa is 250/300 (actual  244/278cc) weighs about 330 pounds, same as a 250 cruiser, and like a 250cc cruiser can do 75+ mph easily and generally can touch 85.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Paladin. on 05/17/15 at 23:22:03


494A42544F424354260 wrote:
... I am not sure I would interstate one for long distances, but would be really interesting taking a long tour using just state roads....

Depends on how sane you are.
Moon Ride: 370 miles between dinner and breakfast. (http://www.dslretorts.com/Paladin/archives/2013_06.html)
http://www.andruschak.net/Scooters/Rides/MoonRideMap.jpg
2014 I got tired, and took a snooze 3am-6am.  Got to see the desert in daytime!
http://www.andruschak.net/Scooters/Rides/Moonset-20140613.jpg
I have been insane for a long time, Second Moon Ride (http://www.dslretorts.com/Paladin/archives/002372.html)
http://www.dslretorts.com/Paladin/images/parks/Joshua_Tree.jpg
This year June Full Moon is morning of the 2nd, which is still too cool to ride.  I'll be making the ride July 1 - July 2.  

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/18/15 at 07:58:19


4F7E737E7B76711F0 wrote:
[quote author=44575152404747250 link=1431305814/15#16 date=1431662293] ... I cam awful close to buyimng a big scooter (Bergman 400 I think it was, or maybe Majesty) for those exact same reasons, comfy, utilitarian, and built in storage
I with that had worked out, seemed like a good way to go about 2 wheeling

Yeah, but....  

My first bike was a Honda Sport 50, real motorcycle, clutch, not a semi-auto step-thru Honda Cub 50.  Looked at the Super Scoots in '04, practical, smooth, capable, but I couldn't see myself on one and got the Savage instead.  (Which I figure is about the best motorcycle ever.)  My body doesn't want to swing a leg over a saddle no more.  But I DO miss that instant move when the traffic signal goes green.
[/quote]

That instant move is one of the few concerns I have
the other is 'backroad fun'
leaned over in a tight curve on a moto feels right, I'm not sure if leaned into the same curve on a scoot would
Also I'm not always kind to my ride
One of the things I like about my XS11 over the S40 is the ability to stand up on the pegs riding down off a curb (I park on the sidewalk at my place) I suspect a scooter wouldn't appreciate that treatment
Probably I should be on a Dual sport lol

still, the scooter has so much going for it, including that big splash guard when there's puddles on the ground
I had no idea a 150 was 50 state hwy legal, there's a place in Houston that sells cheap Chinese 150 scooters, and according to them their's aren't highway legal
I gotta respect them telling me that, they cost themselves a sale

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by verslagen1 on 05/18/15 at 08:14:56


55464043515656340 wrote:
I had no idea a 150 was 50 state hwy legal, there's a place in Houston that sells cheap Chinese 150 scooters, and according to them their's aren't highway legal
I gotta respect them telling me that, they cost themselves a sale

Last I looked, 175cc was legal in California.
We ride naked and invisible on a savage, you'll need another motto for a scooter.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/18/15 at 09:12:08


55464043515656340 wrote:
We ride naked and invisible on a savage, you'll need another motto for a scooter.

??? Maybe I'm being dumb, but this made no sense to me. Care to help out a dummy that didn't get it?

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Dave on 05/18/15 at 10:28:59


7F6C6A697B7C7C1E0 wrote:
[quote author=564552534C4147454E11200 link=1431305814/30#30 date=1431962096]
We ride naked and invisible on a savage, you'll need another motto for a scooter.

??? Maybe I'm being dumb, but this made no sense to me. Care to help out a dummy that didn't get it?
[/quote]

The way I have always interpreted that.....is:

INVISIBLE - You ride as if no one sees you, and could pull out in front of you at any instant.  Folks aren't used to looking for motorcycles, or are just too preoccupied with other things to take a good look and can easily miss anything smaller than a car/truck/bus.

NAKED - You ride as if it will really hurt a lot if you fall down....cause it will.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by spearheadss on 05/18/15 at 12:56:17


79424F5849455E58434B46592A0 wrote:
[quote author=7F6C6A697B7C7C1E0 link=1431305814/30#31 date=1431965528][quote author=564552534C4147454E11200 link=1431305814/30#30 date=1431962096]
We ride naked and invisible on a savage, you'll need another motto for a scooter.

??? Maybe I'm being dumb, but this made no sense to me. Care to help out a dummy that didn't get it?
[/quote]

The way I have always interpreted that.....is:

INVISIBLE - You ride as if no one sees you, and could pull out in front of you at any instant.  Folks aren't used to looking for motorcycles, or are just too preoccupied with other things to take a good look and can easily miss anything smaller than a car/truck/bus.

NAKED - You ride as if it will really hurt a lot if you fall down....cause it will.
[/quote]

That is the way I have always interpreted it too.


Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by verslagen1 on 05/18/15 at 15:04:15


3330252132282521243333400 wrote:
[quote author=79424F5849455E58434B46592A0 link=1431305814/30#32 date=1431970139][quote author=7F6C6A697B7C7C1E0 link=1431305814/30#31 date=1431965528][quote author=564552534C4147454E11200 link=1431305814/30#30 date=1431962096]
We ride naked and invisible on a savage, you'll need another motto for a scooter.

??? Maybe I'm being dumb, but this made no sense to me. Care to help out a dummy that didn't get it?
[/quote]

The way I have always interpreted that.....is:

INVISIBLE - You ride as if no one sees you, and could pull out in front of you at any instant.  Folks aren't used to looking for motorcycles, or are just too preoccupied with other things to take a good look and can easily miss anything smaller than a car/truck/bus.

NAKED - You ride as if it will really hurt a lot if you fall down....cause it will.
[/quote]

That is the way I have always interpreted it too.

[/quote]
I don't know how you would interpret it otherwise, cause it you were really naked you certainly wouldn't be invisible and giving a tailgater the "evil eye" would certainly cause a stir.   :-?

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by spearheadss on 05/18/15 at 18:16:38


3C2F3839262B2D2F247B4A0 wrote:
[quote author=3330252132282521243333400 link=1431305814/30#33 date=1431978977][quote author=79424F5849455E58434B46592A0 link=1431305814/30#32 date=1431970139][quote author=7F6C6A697B7C7C1E0 link=1431305814/30#31 date=1431965528][quote author=564552534C4147454E11200 link=1431305814/30#30 date=1431962096]
We ride naked and invisible on a savage, you'll need another motto for a scooter.

??? Maybe I'm being dumb, but this made no sense to me. Care to help out a dummy that didn't get it?
[/quote]

The way I have always interpreted that.....is:

INVISIBLE - You ride as if no one sees you, and could pull out in front of you at any instant.  Folks aren't used to looking for motorcycles, or are just too preoccupied with other things to take a good look and can easily miss anything smaller than a car/truck/bus.

NAKED - You ride as if it will really hurt a lot if you fall down....cause it will.
[/quote]

That is the way I have always interpreted it too.

[/quote]
I don't know how you would interpret it otherwise, cause it you were really naked you certainly wouldn't be invisible and giving a tailgater the "evil eye" would certainly cause a stir.   :-?[/quote]

I'd be all right as long as you didn't wink at me. ;D

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Paladin. on 05/18/15 at 23:45:11


584B4D4E5C5B5B390 wrote:
... I'm not always kind to my ride
One of the things I like about my XS11 over the S40 is the ability to stand up on the pegs riding down off a curb....

I had no idea a 150 was 50 state hwy legal, there's a place in Houston that sells cheap Chinese 150 scooters, and according to them their's aren't highway legal....

Heh!  On the Savage, leaving Ralph's I could go the walkway behind the building and drop off the curb back to home.  Got the scoot, was leaving the same route, right hand said go, the left hand said "you idiot, not on 10" wheels!" and I fell over.  ;D

My Vespa is 150.5cc and puts out 11.7 bhp.  The Chinese 150 scooters are just under 150cc, have about 8.5 bhp and only do 50-55 mph.  

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Paladin. on 05/18/15 at 23:56:23


372433322D2026242F70410 wrote:
... I don't know how you would interpret it otherwise, cause it you were really naked you certainly wouldn't be invisible and giving a tailgater the "evil eye" would certainly cause a stir.   :-?

I don't know, this is La La Land.  Although it was in the late '70's, but I was on Hawthorne Blvd, in Torrance, about 5pm of a weekday, my Cousin from Washington freaked out "there is a naked woman!"  Glance, yep, naked woman 'cept for boots striding down the sidewalk.  Just a glance 'cause I couldn't stare -- traffic wasn't slowing down.

Title: Re: Anyone need....
Post by Art Webb on 05/19/15 at 20:53:46


310A0710010D16100B030E11620 wrote:
[quote author=7F6C6A697B7C7C1E0 link=1431305814/30#31 date=1431965528][quote author=564552534C4147454E11200 link=1431305814/30#30 date=1431962096]
We ride naked and invisible on a savage, you'll need another motto for a scooter.

??? Maybe I'm being dumb, but this made no sense to me. Care to help out a dummy that didn't get it?
[/quote]

The way I have always interpreted that.....is:

INVISIBLE - You ride as if no one sees you, and could pull out in front of you at any instant.  Folks aren't used to looking for motorcycles, or are just too preoccupied with other things to take a good look and can easily miss anything smaller than a car/truck/bus.

NAKED - You ride as if it will really hurt a lot if you fall down....cause it will.
[/quote]
Part of it was I misread 'motto' as 'moto' as in motorcycle, threw me all left and shhhhtuff
;D
and the motto makes total sense, though thank goodness my last fall didn't hurt that much

I'll ride my S40 off the curb, too, but I can't stand up on the pegs to save my tailbone like I can on the XS
Still, the S40 has a lot of things going for it over the XS
I keep drooling over the idea of making a standard / scrambler out of it, but then I think, maybe a real dual sport would be a better idea {and easier, too)

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