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Message started by Manchesteral on 03/30/15 at 11:43:57

Title: Start up procedure
Post by Manchesteral on 03/30/15 at 11:43:57

Hi boys (and girls) newbie here, this is my first post but there will be others.
Question: One week ago I bought a 2001 L S 650 with full service history, the bikes done only 15000 kilometers (I live in Finland) I bought it on a whim and reserved it over the phone, took a five minute test ride and bought it, it was already running when I went for the test drive and I took it home in a van, It doesn't want to start in neutral, slip it into 1st and it starts no problem, am I doing something wrong pre start up ?

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by oldNslow on 03/30/15 at 12:08:01

You still have to pull the clutch lever in, even if the bike is in neutral. It's got a safety switch on the lever.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/30/15 at 12:12:59

Are you pulling in the clutch handle when the bike is in neutral? If not, that should do the trick.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Manchesteral on 03/30/15 at 12:33:47

Thanks guys, I'll try that.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/15 at 12:34:57

123D3A3A363B2D540 wrote:

It doesn't want to start in neutral, slip it into 1st and it starts no problem, am I doing something wrong pre start up ?

The question is... what are you doing different?

In both cases, you must pull the clutch in.
In neutral, kickstand maybe down.
In gear, KS must be up.

So, what are you doing?

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/15 at 13:10:37

And it's time for a look at the cam chain and never pull the spark plug without blowing the crud out from the cavity it sits in. Go ahead,ask me how I know..
Took over an hour to fish the big grit out.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Suzukisavvy on 03/31/15 at 07:05:01

Do you mean it doesn't turn over in neutral when you pull the clutch in? Or do you not pull the clutch when its in neutral and it doesnt turn over? If it does turn over but doesnt fire possibly faulty kill swiches causing the spark not to come? Sorry not an expert just throwing out possible ideas. Any one agree?

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by verslagen1 on 03/31/15 at 08:07:44

7C5A555A44467C4E5959562F0 wrote:

If it does turn over but doesnt fire possibly faulty kill swiches causing the spark not to come?

won't spin if kill switch set to off or faulty.
will spin but not fire if battery weak.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Manchesteral on 04/04/15 at 05:21:36

Thanks all, the problem was of course that I wasn't pulling the clutch in when trying to start from neutral, now I've got it, thanks once again. :-[

And now my next question: the rear right hand turn indicator is loose, not hanging off, but almost, how do I tighten it up ? I know you probably think I'm dumb but, can we do this like "painting by numbers"? ::)
Thanks again in advance, Al.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/04/15 at 05:45:27

There is a set screw at the bottom of the signal.

Step one: locate screw
Step two: get philips head screw driver
Step three: tighten screw

There should probably be a few beer steps too.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/15 at 06:31:30

And there's a bolt poking outta the fender. An end wrench WILL get in there without having to remove the wheel. Feel up between the tire and fender.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Manchesteral on 04/04/15 at 10:18:57

Thanks guys, it's the bit behind the fender that needs attention, it feels a bit "frozen" w d 40 ??

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Art Webb on 04/04/15 at 10:22:09

there's no bolt on the inside of the fender on my S40 (staock 07) that has anything to do with the turn signal, (just went out and double checked)
it's the set screw you need to tighten

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Art Webb on 04/04/15 at 10:23:50

there is a 'locator pin' but it's not tightenable or loosenable, and doesn't even feel like a bolt

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by verslagen1 on 04/04/15 at 10:47:54

684740404C41572E0 wrote:

Thanks guys, it's the bit behind the fender that needs attention, it feels a bit "frozen" w d 40 ??

just a locator pin, you can't tighten it.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by verslagen1 on 04/04/15 at 10:49:21

36252320323535570 wrote:

there's no bolt on the inside of the fender on my S40 (stock 07) that has anything to do with the turn signal, (just went out and double checked)
it's the set screw you need to tighten

bingo, but not a set screw, it's a screw, threads are in the turn signal mount, not the fender rail.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Manchesteral on 04/04/15 at 10:54:03

Right, thanks.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/15 at 11:52:22

AAARGHH, seriously? I know I used a wrench up in there for something.
Ohh, but I do remember the screw up under.. yeah, a number two Phillips
Will not get it done. Gotta grind the point down or buy the special screwdrivers.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Art Webb on 04/05/15 at 09:32:24

Versy, I stand corrected, oyu are of course correct

JOG, I am always amazed so many people who own Japanese motos (and many who have for decades) still don't get that those are in fact not phillips screws but JIS, I'll have to try that trick of grinding the tip some time when I'm dealing with a tight one and don't have the right screwdriver (you can buy JIS screwdrivers, but you gotta either get them online or from a Japanese bike's stock tool kit)

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by KennyG on 04/05/15 at 09:38:39

You will need the "Standard Screwdriver Set" if you want to work on Japanese carburetors and motorcycles.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#jis-(japanese-industrial-standard)-screwdrivers/=wmdxgl

Kenny G

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/15 at 09:42:01

I've been quite successful without having purchased special screwdrivers.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Art Webb on 04/05/15 at 10:41:45

sure JOG, by modifying standard Phillips to fit JIS screws, you essentially made your own JIS screwdrivers
Some folks aren't that good with a grinder
Buying the correct drivers, for those of us that aren't, will go a long way, and save many headaches, in the quest to undo very tight screws without stripping out the heads
There's a reason most folks who've ever split the cases on a 70s or 80s Japanese moto replace those big JIS screws with hex or button bolts

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/15 at 11:09:16

You're right,Art, not everyone even has a grinder.

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Art Webb on 04/05/15 at 12:15:46

I have an angle grinder, I use it very sparingly ;D

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Dave on 04/06/15 at 06:09:21

I will tell you that for years I did not own a JIS screwdriver set. I was able to get most screws out successfully - but it always did distort the head of the screws a little bit.

Now that I own a JIS set...the screws go in and out and the heads of the screws are no longer messed up. Makes me happy! :)

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by KennyG on 04/08/15 at 06:39:56

I re-jetted the carburetor on my S40 yesterday and fooled away quite a bit of time adapting a 1960s era KD Manufacturing Impact Driver to work on the the little screws on the plate that retains the needle.

I just found this on Amazon. I think it will be really helpful working on Mikuni carburetors.

http://www.amazon.com/Vessel-Megadora-Impacta-P2x100-Screwdriver/dp/B003BI8HHQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1428499973&sr=8-5&keywords=JIS+Screwdriver

Kenny G

Title: Re: Start up procedure
Post by Kris01 on 04/08/15 at 19:32:36

I have one and can attest to its quality.