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Message started by jeffsavage on 03/29/15 at 20:51:38

Title: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by jeffsavage on 03/29/15 at 20:51:38

specs on how to get the savage engine back in time, after having piston out, and cam chain removed

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by verslagen1 on 03/29/15 at 21:43:16

crank on TDC, cam marks inline with the top of the head.
pics in the tech section threads, key words head plug, cam chain.

yes, that's all there's to it. 8-)

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by jeffsavage on 03/29/15 at 22:02:24

Thank you very much. I'll look in the tech index....TDC?

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by jeffsavage on 03/29/15 at 22:12:25

I can't find anything on it in the tech index at all...

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by projectfj on 03/29/15 at 22:14:12

Here you go. I just got done putting my engine back together a few weeks ago. Just make sure you're at top dead center (TDC).

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by projectfj on 03/29/15 at 22:14:51

and have the camshaft alignment marks lined up.

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by jeffsavage on 03/29/15 at 22:36:32

Thank you. Exactly what I've been looking for. I see what the bottom picture is showing with the camshaft, but what exactly is the top picture showing? Am I looking for a TDC stamp on a gear or pulley in there?

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by verslagen1 on 03/29/15 at 22:36:46

3D3231313425382424570 wrote:

I can't find anything on it in the tech index at all...

1st 2 under engine

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by jeffsavage on 03/29/15 at 22:50:17

TDC?

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by jeffsavage on 03/29/15 at 22:52:15

I know it's TOP DEAD CENTER but how do I get it TDC?

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by gizzo on 03/30/15 at 00:32:01

The gear tooth pointing straight up has a punch mark on it. See how it's lined up with the pointer arrow thing just below the case screw, hanging down? Those two lined up should place it at TDC. The camshaft, those two lines scribed across the camshaft line up with the flats on the bearing half. The cam should be hanging with lobes down, otherwise the timing would be 180 degrees out. Hope that makes sense?
Just to be sure, you can stick a piece of wire or something down the plug hole, rotate the engine til the piston pushes the wire all the way up and before it starts going back down again. Then you are in the TDC ballpark. Good luck mate.

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by projectfj on 03/30/15 at 02:09:43

The big gear under the left side crank case cover. If you look in this photo on the far left, you'll see a line with a T next to it on the gear and a sort of point coming down from the top of the crank case. The picture shows what it should look like at TDC. After this is aligned, the camshaft index marks are next. The camshaft lobes should be facing downward and the marks should be horizontal as in the picture earlier.

WARNING: If you do take the left side crank case cover off, be careful that the washers in this picture so not fall off. If they do, the picture shows where they go. One on each side of the gear that says it should have washers. Just trying to save you a trip back in once you get it together.

Picture and washer advice courtesy verslagen1.

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by projectfj on 03/30/15 at 02:13:03

I almost forgot, turn the big gear counter clock wise to get it to line up on TDC. I believe the bolt in the center of that gear is 17mm.

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/15 at 08:22:45

If you don't already have the stator cover off, the timing mark visible thru the port is sufficient.

Title: Re: Cam chain timing help. Not the adjuster
Post by jeffsavage on 03/31/15 at 19:25:01

Ok....so I have the entire savage back together. Did everything as directed with the cam chain/timing. Fueled it up, started it.....AND IT FIRED RIGHT UP!!!!!!!! It idled just fine like it always did!!! Does. This mean I'm in the clear and got the timing right? Just wann make sure before I go shifting gears or anything really other than an idle. Also, I filled the oil up to the top notch next to the window, started it and it seeme like the oil didn't drain back down any once I had shut it off for several minutes. No visible leaks ANYWHHERE in the outsider if engine around the new seals, and none around that pesky rubber head plug. Does it take more oil to fill it after having the engine completely tore down? Also a little bit of. Smoke coming off the head...which I believe to be residue from a degreaser formula I had used for light scrubbing burning off the engine..Pictures coming soon

Title: Am I in the clear?
Post by jeffsavage on 03/31/15 at 20:02:38

Ok....so I have the entire savage back together. Did everything as directed with the cam chain/timing. Fueled it up, started it.....AND IT FIRED RIGHT UP!!!!!!!! It idled just fine like it always did!!! Does. This mean I'm in the clear and got the timing right? Just wann make sure before I go shifting gears or anything really other than an idle. Also, I filled the oil up to the top notch next to the window, started it and it seeme like the oil didn't drain back down any once I had shut it off for several minutes. No visible leaks ANYWHHERE on the outsider if engine around the new seals, and none around that pesky rubber head plug. Does it take more oil to fill it after having the engine completely tore down? Also a little bit of. Smoke coming off the head...which I believe to be residue from a degreaser formula I had used for light scrubbing burning off the engine..Pictures coming soon

Title: Re: Am I in the clear?
Post by bobert_FSO on 03/31/15 at 20:21:03

Just add more oil back up to the line. There are little pockets in the engine that don't drain back down to the oil sump. An example is the little oil "bathtub" that the cam sits in. A dry engine initial oil fill requires more oil than a simple oil change.

Congrats on getting everything back together and working.

Title: Re: Am I in the clear?
Post by jeffsavage on 03/31/15 at 20:38:24

Thanks!! This was my first go at a small engine rebuild. Was apprehensive but went at it full force, with some help and advice along the way. Was good o hear it running again!!!!!!!! Just wanting to confirm that if it's running solid at idle that I can rest assured that I have the timing right. Might seem like I'm being too cautious or asking stupid questions, but this being my first go at this..I'm wanting to be as sure and clear about everything as I can be. Thanks again

Title: Re: Am I in the clear?
Post by gizzo on 03/31/15 at 20:51:47

YOU ROCK, JEFF! Nice work, man. Did you change the oil filter while it was apart? If it's running fine and it idles nicely, you've likely got the timing right. Shouldn't be any problem riding it now. But the filter thing: you can put it in the right way, or back to front. Back to front will starve the engine of oil and it won't idle nicely for very long. That's all I can think of. The smoke from the head will clear up soon unless there's an unresolved oil leak. Good work.

Title: Re: Am I in the clear?
Post by jeffsavage on 03/31/15 at 21:05:35

I had changed the oil filter a month before I parked it for winter so I fist change it. I did however clean it and made sure it was seated properly in its compartment. Thank you for confirming that about the cam chain/timing inquiry. It's hitting the road soon!!!! Haha I am REALLY happy(as you can imagine) that it all came together and VERY MUCH APPRECIATE all the help from this forum. Place to go for anything SAVAGE!!