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Message started by KennyG on 03/29/15 at 16:42:52

Title: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/29/15 at 16:42:52

Has anyone used the Ryca Muffler Adapter with the Dyna muffler?

If so, what were the results?

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Yoshi on 03/29/15 at 17:19:44

I have it, it fits good but i have slight leak and am getting it welded all together now too.

IMO it's way overpriced

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Dave on 03/29/15 at 17:49:28

A few other folks have used it and posted their results.

It works well....it is costly.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Srotag on 03/29/15 at 20:36:41

I used a Suz VS 800 rear brake lever. Almost straight, instead of offset. No clearance problems. Ebay about $20.

Getting the outside return spring back on is a bear because the cam slips in a little. I'm running 500 miles or so without it, the brake springs provide good release. I will put it back on when wheel is off for the new tire. 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Dave on 03/30/15 at 03:30:25

5E7F62796C6A0D0 wrote:

I used the same brake lever, and after a bit my rear brake was not working as it should....it just wasn't slowing the bike down and felt like there was grease on the shoes as they just weren't doing anything to slow the bike down. It turned out the return spring that slides over the brake cam shaft was binding between the arm and the brake hub. I had to take the lever off and grind away a bit of the aluminum hub to provide clearance for the spring.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Srotag on 03/30/15 at 05:24:31

That is why I left that outside spring off...binding. The brake cam slides in and out just enough that the spring can not be replaced without having the wheel apart. Then you can push it out from the inside and position the spring.

Stupid design. >:( guess they wanted it tight to protect the O-ring...but water can enter from around the drum anyway. Probably required by a lawsuit from somebody who never lubed anything.

In any case I'm happy with the Dyna mount, no leaks, no binds. :)

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 03/30/15 at 17:35:10

Does the Ryca adapter have 2 different sized ends to fit the header and Dyna correctly (since the Dyna inlet is larger than the header outlet)?

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/30/15 at 17:44:14

Kris,

I am pretty sure somewhere on Ryca's website they state that it will fit all of the mufflers they sell which are 1 3/4".

I am sure it fits the stock S40 header because they show cutting an inch off of the end of the header to accept the adapter.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 03/30/15 at 17:54:17

You have to cut the header to use their adapter? I was thinking of using it to move my outlet away from the brake arm. I might be changing my mind! I don't want to cut the header!

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/15 at 18:18:31

I hadda shorten the header to get the Supertrapp on. The grinder sent a shower of sparks past the battery vent, it exploded. Don't do that.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/30/15 at 19:59:50

Kris,

I think I am going to go to a muffler shop tomorrow morning and see if I can get an adapter made. I too don't want to cut the header.

Somewhere here on the forum I saw posted what some of the guys use for a chrome heat shield to cover the joint and clamps. I cannot remember where I saw it posted, anyone have a clue?

Justin,

I am very cautious around batteries I have heard about too many disasters over the years causing explosions.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 03/30/15 at 20:25:44

Keep us posted Kenny! ;)

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/30/15 at 20:31:47

Kris,

I will keep you updated as to the progress and cost.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 03/30/15 at 20:47:33

Thank you. I'm very interested in this "project".

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Dave on 03/31/15 at 03:09:05

The RYCA adapter does have two different sizes, and it fits the header and the DYNA muffler. On the stock header there is a short piece of inner pipe that sticks out....and that should be cut off....but doesn't absolutely have to be cut off. If you leave it on the adapter just doesn't slide all the way up to the collar on the header.

If you are going to get something made...here are the dimensions you want.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1353284557

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/31/15 at 06:21:04

I just try to keep others from sharing my problems. I only really messed up 3times. Once, I left a bolt in the head cover and thought it was stuck and got horsey with it, warping it a little. I fixed it, but it's stupid to do that.
I pulled the plug. When I felt around down there to feel how to line up the new one, I felt a chunk of asphalt fall in the cylinder. And, I exploded the battery. I don't wanna see anyone else be bitten.
The backwards oil filter thing? Everyone needs warned.. That's a bad deal.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/31/15 at 06:29:36

Justin,

The oil filter in backwards scares me to the point that when I bought a supply of filters I took a Sharpie and wrote "Out Side" on them.

I hope when I need to use the next one I can remember what "Out Side" means. LOL

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/31/15 at 08:59:49

Kris,

I had a piece bent to shape at a local muffler shop out of aluminized steel that can be polished. It looks like I will pickup 1 1/4" in length.

Later today I will know how well this works.

It would have been better if it was 1" longer or 3/4" shorter.

As impossible as it sounds, the wider portion of the hanger built into the muffler, has an enlarged opening for the carriage bolt head to slide in. You guessed it correctly, the hole in the frame extension lines up perfectly with the center of the muffler hanger where the enlarged portion of the slot is.

I am thinking now that I should drill a new hole in the frame extension. I will think about it for a while.

Kenny

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Tocsik on 03/31/15 at 11:40:23

Hey Kenny, I tried several different muffler shops in my area and no one would do this for me.

If your's works for length and no leaks, maybe consider going back and asking if they'll make a few more and sell them to us here on SS.com (for those of us who have close-minded muffler shops all over the place >:( )

Currently, I have my Dyna mounted without any adapter; lotsa folks on here have done it that way. I used a couple tin can crush washers and I think I may just have the tiniest of leaks. But, If an adapter would take a little stress off the joints and extend the mount point back a little so I could use 2 bolts, I would consider revising my setup.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/31/15 at 11:45:42

Toksik,

There is no doubt that this independent muffler shop that I went to has real craftsmen and mechanics working there.

The catch is that no one with a successful business wants to do mail order with all of the running around involved.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Dave on 03/31/15 at 12:09:36

4D6368457467756E060 wrote:

TThe catch is that no one with a successful business wants to do mail order with all of the running around involved.

This is supposed to be a labor of love.....something you would do because you are a nice guy. ;D

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/31/15 at 14:06:37

Dave,

I have tried that before, on more than one forum.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/31/15 at 14:11:06

I drilled a hole in the frame extension to accommodate the carriage bolt from the Dyna muffler.

I am going to have to go to the Harley shop tomorrow, as I need one more heavy duty clamp and then I can button it up and go make some noise.

Anyone shopping for the Dyna muffler should ask the seller if he can send the clamp along. Chances are he is going to throw it away anyway.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 03/31/15 at 19:46:37

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1427763067

I shot my Dyna down the road because of that stupid enlarged hole for the carriage bolt! >:( I need an adapter to move the muffler back a little and contact the small part of the rail.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 03/31/15 at 22:21:41

Kris,

If you can find someone that knows how to braze it would be quick and simple to braze the carriage bolt to the muffler.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by WD on 03/31/15 at 23:11:49

If you're in the neighborhood, swing by and borrow the buzz box (110v wire feed welder). Take longer to set the box up than to tack weld the bolt in place. Cost you a pack of L&M Bold (about $3.79 + tax at the local corer store)

If you hit the exhaust section at any major auto parts store, the braided stainless Honda tuner car adapters work fine.

Come to think of it, I have a tubing bender and a junk LS650 that can be used for mock up purposes... forgot all about the bender, it's hidden by the motorhome.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by thumperclone on 04/01/15 at 08:57:53

132824342E2C470 wrote:

my local midas shop did one for me for free that's was in 06
theres got to be someone in Denver that can help you

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/01/15 at 10:36:38

I am finished, except for installing the factory heat shield and then rounding up an aftermarket heat shield to cover the adapter and clamps.

At some point I may add an extension to the sub-frame so I can have two bolts holding the muffler on.

If I had it to do over again I would buy the Ryca adapter.

A picture being worth a thousand words

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Dave on 04/01/15 at 10:41:37

08262D003122302B430 wrote:

If I had it to do over again I would buy the Ryca adapter. Kenny G

Yep, it is a well made part, and as expensive as it is....it works and saves a person a lot of time running around, shopping and adapting.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/01/15 at 18:05:04

Thanks for the offer WD. I think I'm just going to drill the frame extension to put the bolt in a better position.

I might even cobble together an "extension for the extension" so I can use 2 bolts instead of one.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/01/15 at 20:33:03

Chris,

I am anxious to see what you come up with for an "extension for the extension".

The biggest problem with relocating a hole in the extension is coming up with an 18 millimeter (or 3/4") drill bit to bore the hole and reuse the rubber bushing, and the sleeve inside of it.

Since I test rode the bike for an hour I am thinking that adding to the frame extension may be unnecessary, but if you come up with something simple enough I will probably do it.

Lancer's jet kit arrived today, but I am going to wait until after Easter Sunday to another project.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Todd James on 04/01/15 at 21:48:00

KennyG:
My local muffler shop made an adapter the same as your's.
I posted a picture of the finished installation with information
about the heat shield I used.
Here's a link to the post - see Reply No. 3:

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1375716388/4#4

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/01/15 at 21:53:14

Todd,

Thank you.

I just ordered the heat shield like you show in the pic.

That will make the job look finished.

Did you have any trouble aligning thew carriage bolt with the muffler and the frame extension?

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Todd James on 04/01/15 at 22:16:44

I made an extension for the factory bracket using a
metal strap from the hardware store,
I filed out two of the holes square to fit the carriage bolts.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/01/15 at 22:52:56

Todd,

Thank You.

I knew there had to be a simple way to do this, I just couldn't think of anything, which is why I drilled the additional hole in the frame extension.

I will keep a look out for that strapping the next trip to the hardware store.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/02/15 at 18:53:27

That looks like what I just did. I bolted a piece of 18 gauge (?) hurricane strap to the extension so I could use 2 bolts.

BTW Todd, I think that piece is called a mending strap or something similar. ;)

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/02/15 at 19:47:25

Kris,

Were you still able to use the rubber bushings and metal sleeves to mount the muffler?

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/03/15 at 18:46:45

Yes, the mounting is rock solid now. No more chasing my muffler down the road now! >:(

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/03/15 at 19:27:57

The best part is that the bolts/nuts holding the bracket to the muffler actually space the end away from the frame extension. I just used longer bolts to attach the bracket to the frame. This will move the end of the muffler away from the brake arm. Hopefully it's enough and the brake arm will stay clean!

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/03/15 at 20:23:53

Kris,

I am glad that your method of attachment worked out so well for you.

I have been out riding a couple of times, and re-tightened the exhaust fasteners and clamps. The Harley exhaust clamps are the key to my setup having worked. I am satisfied that the one bolt holding the muffler to the frame extension will be enough because the groove in the frame and the protrusion on the muffler mate together perfectly.

I am sure, other than adding a heat shield, this is as far as I am going to go with the Dyna.

I will say it again, "If I had it to over again I would buy the Ryca Adapter".

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/03/15 at 20:29:28

I'm sure 1 bolt will work just fine. I'm just gun shy having lost the muffler due to vibration (I guess). Maybe a lock nut or thread locker would be a good idea.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/03/15 at 21:06:45

Kris,

Here is what I did that might help you.

I used a "Jam Nut" to hold the carriage bolt to the muffler while aligning everything. When I was finished, and after test driving, I put a "Lock Nut" on top of the "Jam Nut".

Using the Harley clamps, which are really heavy duty, locked the three pieces of the exhaust system together as solid as a rock.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Todd James on 04/03/15 at 22:30:40

Kris:
Your right. It's a Mending Strap.
I forgot the name of it. Thanks.

KennyG:
I agree with Kris that one bolt should hold it since
the muffler rail is nested into the frame extension.
The Harley clamps are definitely the best ones to use.
Be sure to check everything for tightness several times
during the next few hundred miles. I found that the
bolts holding the header to the engine had loosened up
after a few heat cycles and some bumpy roads.
Post a pic for us after you get the heat shield installed.
Sounds like you thought this out well. Good work !

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/03/15 at 22:53:51

Todd,

I am a fanatic about re-checking fasteners on a motorcycle after working on it. Over the years I found out everything the hard way about the vibration on single cylinder bikes.

I will make sure that I continue to keep checking the bolts that hold the header onto the engine. I wish Suzuki had used studs and lock nuts rather than the bolt arrangement.

I will post a pic as soon as the heat shield arrives.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/04/15 at 12:20:58

Speaking of....

I've heard lots of horror stories of having to drill out the header bolts once they were over tightened and snapped off. Anyone know what size and thread pitch the header bolts are? I guess I could take one to the hardware store and check it. Maybe one of you guys know.

I was thinking of replacing both of them with studs. After doing everything else to this exhaust system (more than once), it might be safer to go ahead and put studs in place of the bolts.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/15 at 12:30:26

I would. I'd want as much stud in the jug as possible without bottoming. Just a hair off bottom would be what I'd go for. Some thread lock, done deal.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/04/15 at 12:59:31

Kris,

Installing studs in the head is something that should really be done for anyone planning to ride one of these critters for any length of time.

With studs, Never-Seize, and lock nuts the exhaust system should last the life of the bike.

The muffler life is always uncertain.

I am of the opinion that when you see the header on an exhaust system that has double walled pipe turn blue there is probably a leak in the inside pipe.

I know you are not supposed to wax chrome exhaust pipes, but I have been waxing exhaust pipes, including the S40, with Johnsons Paste Wax ever since I started riding and have had very little to no bluing on pipes.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/04/15 at 14:15:56

Does the wax not burn off very quickly?

The upper few inches of my header has turned a straw color. I don't ride very aggressively. It's called a "cruiser" for a reason! ;)

I think abuse (not really the proper word) causes most of the bluing.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/04/15 at 14:41:37

Kris,

I wax the exhaust system very often when I first get a motorcycle.

I don't think it all burns off by the way the water beads when I wash the bike.

I wax the header and muffler again every time I wash or clean the bike.

I am sure I no longer ride in a very aggressive manor. We will see what the pipe looks like after the temperature gets up to 112 degrees here in North Texas.

I had a Honda VLX, that was liquid cooled, that I mostly rode when the weather was extremely hot, I am sure I will miss it.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by WD on 04/05/15 at 00:36:39

Kris, I forget exactly where in TN you are, but I can get the right exhaust studs (stainless) and the right lock nuts (brass) locally. Treat the Savage/S40 exhaust system as if it were as delicate as the one on a 1930s-1960s Mopar L6. If you can get marine grade silicon-bronze metric fasteners, use them, they don't gall the case threads and they rarely, if ever, have corrosion issues. Barring that, use aircraft grade hardened stainless steel fasteners. Anything else is a waste of money, unless you are rich enough to buy titanium fasteners.

Oh, and on a large bore single (or V twin) safety wire is your bestest buddy... ;)

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/05/15 at 14:18:19

I was thinking safety wire since a lock nut insert would just melt.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/05/15 at 15:13:28

Kris,

Safety wire is always good.

I admit that Nylock nuts will melt when used on exhaust systems.

There are several all metallic styles of lock nuts available.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/05/15 at 15:54:54

Are you referring to the ones with the oblong hole?

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/05/15 at 17:09:21

Kris,

See links below:

This is the one that I like for exhaust systems;
http://www.mcmaster.com/#hex-locknuts/=wmjoo5

I like the ones like this for everyday jobs;
http://www.mcmaster.com/#hex-locknuts/=wmjpyz

For the really tough jobs with a lot of vibration I like these;
http://www.mcmaster.com/#hex-locknuts/=wmjqj5

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Dave on 04/05/15 at 17:43:23

For the bikes that sit outside in the weather, or under a cover....and get exposed to wet weather on a regular basis...then corrosion of just about any nut and bolt is an issue (along with corrosion of the aluminum parts and wiring connectors). I would bet that most of the exhaust stud issues are on bikes that most likely have never had the header off in their lifetime.

If you take the bolts out every few years (when you are checking your tensioner) and then reapply never-seize on the threads when you put it back together....I bet you will never have an issue.

But...if it makes you feel better....there is not reason you couldn't but studs in place of the bolts.

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/05/15 at 17:46:50

All 3 links lead to the same generic page. I hate webpages that do that!

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Kris01 on 04/05/15 at 17:48:52

I've put anti-seize on these bolts every time they come out. I love this stuff!

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/05/15 at 19:29:44

Kris,

Look at the number at the end of each link, and then when you get to the webpage reference that number to one of the products shown on the page.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Art Webb on 04/05/15 at 19:40:20

that didn't work, either

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/05/15 at 21:34:40

Art,

It works when I click on the links.

Read through the page and you will be able to figure out which locknuts will work for the various applications on a motorcycle.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by Art Webb on 04/05/15 at 21:42:13

guess I'm just dumb ;D
otoh, I know which ones I'd use for those applications

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/06/15 at 13:24:37

The heat shield from Amazon arrived today and I did a quick temporary install just to see what it looks like. I ordered an 1 3/4" x 7" and it will work. A 2" x 6" shield would be better.

Tomorrow I am going to loosen up the Harley clamps and turn them back about 90 degrees and at the same time rotate the heat shield clamps so the the fasteners are not showing.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Ryca Muffler Adapter
Post by KennyG on 04/08/15 at 13:06:41

Today I used Lancer's jet kit and jetted the carburetor and put in three washers on the top of the needle.

It was a bear removing the two tiny screws holding the needle retaining plate. I was able to adapt an old 3/8" drive impact driver to loosen the screws. When I was finished I decided "Never Again".

I found this on Amazon which should simplify the job if I have to do it again.

http://www.amazon.com/Vessel-Megadora-Impacta-P2x100-Screwdriver/dp/B003BI8HHQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1428499973&sr=8-5&keywords=JIS+Screwdriver

Kenny G