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Message started by jachase1980 on 03/22/15 at 14:26:18

Title: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by jachase1980 on 03/22/15 at 14:26:18

So I noticed today that there is some sloppy loose play if I shift all the way down to first there is movement down past first.

I know that doesnt sound right but should I look for something bent? loose? there wasnt any play before... dont know what happened

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/15 at 14:36:45

Have you gotten down and visually inspected or is this" observation " just the power of the toe?

Have a look at the rod, is it bent?

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by jachase1980 on 03/22/15 at 14:47:11

i can move it with my hand as well, doesnt appear bent or cracks in the shifter. I have not checked loose bolts yet guess I should

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/15 at 15:18:53

The rod,, the rod, not the shifter lever.
Look at the rod between the transmission and the shift lever. Watch what it does when you pull down on the shifter.

You ever have trouble getting it in gear, sitting at a light, been sitting there, holding the clutch,waiting on the green light, in neutral?

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by jachase1980 on 03/22/15 at 16:21:46

ok so the rod looks like it is bending in toward the engine in a slight bevel. To describe how far it is bent the rod is further in and under the bottom most stator cover screw. And yes there has been times trouble getting into first from neutral, or 2nd to neutral even.

So bend try to bend it back or buy new one? ROD
25525-21E50 8 bucks not too bad

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/15 at 16:39:07

One end is left-handed, pay attention. That adjusts shifter height.
If you have stomped on the shifter you are probably why it's bent.
How you use the clutch is a big deal. I'll let someone else type all that.

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by jachase1980 on 03/22/15 at 16:56:02

yeah i stomped on it a couple of red lights :-[

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/22/15 at 17:28:27

How could I have known?

You sat, in neutral, clutch pulled, right?

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by Dave on 03/22/15 at 17:36:50

The transmission gears have very square edged pieces that slide together to lock the bike bike in gear. When moving these pieces easily mesh together and it is easy to shift. When at a stop, if you hold the clutch lever in too long the input shaft stops turning, the output shaft is already stopped.....and if the square edged "dogs" are not in alignment....the transmission will not shift into gear. You can either let the clutch out and then pull it in and shift before the input shaft comes to a complete stop - or you can gently rock the bike forward or backward a bit and it will shift. Stomping is not necessary....and can bend the shaft. Automobile transmissions are different and have gear with synchonizers and tapered teeth.....motorcycles don't. You have to adapt your riding style and avoid stomping on the pedal.

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by Ed L. on 03/23/15 at 08:48:35

Working the clutch lever a few times after a long stop gets things lined up, it's a lot like double clutching an older manual tranny in a car. If you can't find them, grind them. ;)

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by Kris01 on 03/23/15 at 18:51:33

Are you guys talking about releasing the clutch lever in gear or out?

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/15 at 19:05:07

In neutral. Just barely start letting it out and press on the shifter or let it out and pull it in again.. Really, of all the low buck bikes and cheap stuff out there, these things have good transmissions.
I hope you guys aren't sitting between cars, it's safety meeting time.

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by Kris01 on 03/23/15 at 19:11:20

I never shift out of gear at a light. I don't care to get rear ended trying to find 1st!

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by jachase1980 on 03/30/15 at 14:21:24

ok so the left turn tightning end is toward front or back of bike?

new rod arrived today

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/15 at 15:01:09

6C67656E677563373F3E36060 wrote:

ok so the left turn tightning end is toward front or back of bike?

new rod arrived today

wouldn't matter to me.
1 way lengthens, the other shortens.
just make sure the threads match.

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by jachase1980 on 03/31/15 at 10:02:21

and fixed no more stompy for me

here is how bent the rod was
http://s11.postimg.org/giomvwqa7/IMG_2168.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/giomvwqa7/)

Title: Re: Sloppy play in gear shifter
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/31/15 at 10:14:32

I watched a guy at a light just smashing the crud out of his. I knew what he had done. Let the transmission guts stop and the gears wouldn't line up..didn't know enough to let the clutch lever out a little and pull it back in.