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Title: My other money pit...... Post by jachase1980 on 03/19/15 at 07:53:33 Not so much of expense other than time... http://s30.postimg.org/wipt37jbh/IMG_0419.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wipt37jbh/) Here is the log with the bark gone. http://s30.postimg.org/99q6eoy31/IMG_0420.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/99q6eoy31/) The wood brought down to one growth ring http://s30.postimg.org/kw5p22w0d/IMG_0424.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/kw5p22w0d/) And the start of the handle and limbs of the bow. http://s30.postimg.org/cpdpai5xp/IMG_0425.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/cpdpai5xp/) So far 2 hrs into the bow trying to manage time on this one to get idea if worth while selling them or not. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by Serowbot on 03/19/15 at 08:27:19 Now that's old school... ;)... |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by MMRanch on 03/19/15 at 08:30:57 jachase1980 Most of the "HOBBIES" I've tried cost me money . If you find one that you break even at then your doing better than I ever have ! ::) At an Arts and Crafts show you might sell them for "Art" prices ? :) |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by jachase1980 on 03/19/15 at 09:05:27 so far I have made 2 for retirement gifts 1 barter for more wood osage orange from ohio and hunting trip 1 barter for hunting trip for me and my son to west virginia 1 for $300 Funny thing is I have yet to make one for me lol. the one i am doing now is for me |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/19/15 at 10:46:20 That's my "thing", too!! Did it hot and heavy for about 15 years but haven't made any in the last three or four, once I'd "conquered"it, I guess. Suppose I've made way over 100. I hunt with em, too. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f164/BuzAL/d68b3f66-3d44-4394-9498-7cdb622b474b_zpsjcsa9bhr.jpg Hate to say it, but until you've developed a "name" in the field it'll be real hard selling more than the very occasional one. Seems folks that want one want to have made it themselves. You could probably have better luck selling shavehorses. BTW, I think you have a PM from me. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by MnSpring on 03/19/15 at 11:40:25 Ah, using a 'snitzelbunk' or "wood shaving horse". Spend many hours making ceder wood shingles, with a 'Frow'. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by jachase1980 on 03/19/15 at 17:41:49 that is a nice buck. they dont grow like that in jersey but that is because too many hunters in small amount of woods. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/19/15 at 19:36:57 They don't grow like that in AL, either. But that time one did. :) I figure it as reaffirmation of the theory that you get more outa what you put more inta. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by WD on 03/24/15 at 20:47:46 Nice work, and nice buck. Come down here for bow season, you are allowed 3 does per day from sometime in September to sometime in January in our area. And you can have all the Osage Orange you care to cut and haul home. We have dozens of them, and they are nothing but a nearly impossible to kill weed (kinda like the deer and feral hogs). Tell you what, combine a hunting trip, bow making workshop, and motorcycle gathering, and I'll host it at the farm. I've even got the widgets you hang deer (and other vermin) with for processing. No, that isn't a typo, deer keep eating our nursery stock, per the game department that makes them vermin and I can "harvest" them year round... |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by old_rider on 03/24/15 at 21:49:00 I would love to learn to do that.... I still have my old AMF Wing Chaparral my foster dad bought for me when I was 11 years old. It is an overglassed recurve 60" long at 45lbs of pull. Took my first buck with it at 12.... big ol' 7 pointer! How long are your bows normally? and what poundage? |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by MMRanch on 03/24/15 at 21:51:47 jachase1980 My place is "OVER RUN" with Osage Orange" we call it "Bow-Dock" How close to southern-Middle Tennessee and can you pile you own brush ? I'd be OK with 90 acres of them being gone , You come cut them and I'll use the front-end loader to shove the leftover parts into a pile to burn. They make good fence post , after about 100 years you still have to drill two holes in them to put a staple into them. ;D |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by old_rider on 03/24/15 at 21:57:43 Yeah, dad used to call them Hedge Trees, or Hedge apple tree.... darn things were tuff and lasted forever as fence posts! If I remember right they had a real dark center....kind of a grayish black? with yellowish in between the bark and center? LOL, been awhile and chemo took away a bit of memory storage..... Hey MMR! save me a couple of large branches if you cut one down before Septembers rally! The wife wants to come to the warrior ride at the dragon, but cant ride the bike that far... so i'll be brining my truck! and maybe my chain saw??? ::) ;D 8-) |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by gizzo on 03/24/15 at 22:43:12 darn, WD, that's the greatest idea I've heard in ages! Love it! I'd be up for it if I weren't on the other side of the planet :'(. I'll have to stick to goats and carp with my old compound bow. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/25/15 at 20:16:50 There's some things to know in order to avoid wasting good osage. If you think about it, you'll realize wasting it was very sinful until 150 or so years ago. Most important, don't cut more than 4-5 logs at a time, as it must be split, debarked, the sapwood removed, and otherwise reduced to bow-staves within a week or so to avoid checking (radial cracks due to too rapid drying). Also, the ends of a log must be sealed with water-resistant something immediately upon felling to avoid checking. You'll hear the wood cracking radially within minutes unless you seal it correctly and quickly. Shellack is best for sealing the ends, but some folks use paint (but that hides the rings from view), some use wood glue. You can even mess up the staves just by cutting them in the wrong place. There is MUCH more to it than merely felling a tree and splitting it. I think WD's idea to have a bow-making/woodcutting clinic would be a great idea, and I would be glad to show y'all how to get a good start in your bow-makin'. Let's do this in a couple months before it gets too hot. I have more bowstaves than one caveman can use in a lifetime and I'd be glad to bring some so y'all could get started on wood that is already dry enough to start making into bows. FYI, wood dries inward from the outside at a rate of 1/2" a year and since a bowstave is about 2x2 inches it takes 2+ years to dry enough to start bending without crushing the wood cells on the side facing the archer (the wood experiencing compression). There really is a lot to learn. Its not hard, cavemen figured out how to do it. It's just that there's no reason to try to figure out through trial and error what folks have figured out over the past 20,000 or so years. MMRanch, I volunteer to come up from Huntsville some afternoon soon and cut down a tree or two. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/25/15 at 21:08:19 Here are some of my bows, unstrung. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f164/BuzAL/photo_zps436d7c06.jpg?t=1427255443 Here they are strung up. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f164/BuzAL/photo_zpseb425f86.jpg?t=1427255559 Note that the bow has to follow the grain of the wood. That's why the OP removed wood to exposed one growth ring on the side that faces away from him when the bow is drawn. If fibers are cut through (on a part of the bow that undergoes tension forces) splinters will rise, weakening that spot, leading to bow failure/exploding. See the hole in the bow on the right; that's where the grain of the wood "flowed" around a rotted-away limb. That bow is also backed with sinew from the Achilles tendon of a deer allowing the short bow to be bent to a tighter arc to allow the same draw length as the longer bows. It also has a string twisted up from fibers pulled from sinew. (That's a whole 'nuther thang right there.) The bow on the other side wiggles to the sides when viewed from the front as that grain wiggled back and forth. The grain should be "read" through the bark before the tree is even cut as grain that wraps around the tree is worthless, while grain that snakes back and forth a lot is highly prized by bowmakers with the skill to take advantage of it. As you can see, this subject really pleases this caveman. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by verslagen1 on 03/25/15 at 23:28:26 if bows don't work out, you can always make shillelagh's. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by WD on 03/26/15 at 07:04:29 Have Osage Orange, a couple kinds of locust, elms, willows, hickories... all in the way. There is always someone home on the farm. You guys can have all the material you care to harvest. We'll even knock them down and buck them for you if it will get people here using the wood... Was in the lower mid 70s yesterday, going down into the 30s tonight. Should already be in the 70s to low 80s consistently. What saws do I need to ensure are up and running? Table saw? Band saw? Just chainsaws? Chainsaw powered mill? The bigger logs are going to be used for lumber anyway... |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by Wolfe on 03/30/15 at 10:55:28 I would love to do this and then the ultimate gratitude would be a kill afterwards. Nice! |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/30/15 at 15:00:39 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f164/BuzAL/selfbowturkey1.jpg Nah. The kill is a bit anti-climatic. Making a bow that shoots well is the thrilling part. And the turkey/shrimp kabobs! That hollow coyote that's holding those arrows was killed on the first day of the first season I dedicated to hunting with a woodbow. Got him about 15 minutes after shooting a bobcat that I saw and lip-squeeked to within 6 yards. I was wondering how close they get before they spring onto you! Coulda shot the coyote's brother who came to the same spot a couple minutes later, but passed him up, cuz I was down to one arrow at 7:30 on opening day of deer season. A few minutes later I realized I shoulda shot him, too, cuz there wadn't no way I was gonna get a shot at a deer with that many dead critters laying around. :) |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/30/15 at 15:10:14 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f164/BuzAL/photo_zps08c4d23d.jpg My latest shavehorse. Treated wood this time. The first one disintegrated in the back yard after about 15 years of hard use. jachase, I like this style better because the stave goes in from the side to be held under the offset head, rather than having to put it in lengthwise. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by jachase1980 on 03/30/15 at 15:29:05 that is style i was going to make but last minute changed to the one I did build. Next one I am going to make that style probably soon toon. Hmmm all the osage and hickory that is real tempting |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/30/15 at 16:23:47 If you can get osage, forget hickory. Takes no longer to make an osage bow than a hickory bow, and unless you live in a very dry environment the hickory will follow the string MUCH more than the osage, no matter how "overbuilt". Now hickory saplings are good if you find yourself in a situation that you needed a bow today or tomorrow, no matter how poor it is for long-term. Otherwise... |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by old_rider on 03/30/15 at 22:48:52 Don't get mad at me now, but, I've been checking out bowyers on youtube lately. Found a fella "Backyardbowyer" making bows outta schedule 40 pvc! has had one for 3 years that is still at 80lbs of pull 28" draw. Watched him make a 100lb. pull crossbow today using a fir board and pvc... very neat. I guess he started experimenting for a survivalist type of thing.... he does both wood and pvc bows...very talented. LOL I figure I can't go wrong if I at least give ONE PVC bow a try....... I still will have to watch the string making procedures over and over until I learn to measure and twist correctly. 8-) All in all not bad for about $15 bucks and 45 minutes of time... Here is one link: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQl-E7tV_4[/media] Here is a 50lb 28" draw take down (2 piece) bow [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IPYbXpU4lY[/media] |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by WD on 03/30/15 at 23:38:46 My last crossbow launched a 1" diameter, 3' long piece of rebar through a big Douglas Fir tree... 6x6 timber, boat trailer winch, spring pack off a 1 ton 4 wheel drive... I get bored easily and tend to have a lot of "junk" laying around to play with. |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by jachase1980 on 03/31/15 at 04:47:56 if you are checking out guys on youtube check out boarriarbows and primitivepathways they are both very good at making and explaining bowmaking. the guy from primitivepathways was on a tv show called i cave man dont think it ever aired buy was group of guys and gals reality show starting with nothing and only allowed to use tools in cave man times. They were actually able to down a bull elk with stick spears and attle (spelling on that one?) They guy with the pvc stuff really really needs to wear breathing protection heating pvc gives very bad fumes. Hey pickle im up for a savage ride and a bowmaking jamborie!!! Ill bring some american holly staves with no knots they very hard to find |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 03/31/15 at 13:39:42 I'm all for doing what you like, but to me there is no "magic" in making a bow of PVC. Especially when you already have a bow that is far superior to any PVC bow ever built. Heck, you can take the shot out of a .410 shell, load it, and shove an arrow down the barrel on top of it and shoot that, too. But why? It won't have the history of our ancestors accompanying it. You know, we're ALL descendants of archers; their superior weapons allowed them to whup up on and otherwise extinctify the stick-swingers, rock-chuckers, and spear throwers and take all their fishin' rods, and motorcycles, and other cool stuff, drag off their women, and pass down their genes to us. ;D |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by old_rider on 04/01/15 at 19:45:17 I'm looking forward to making my first bow.... I will keep watching all the video's on "how to" and who prefers what woods and the processes they use. So far I've seen: Hand sawed and split, formed with the drawing knife. Chopping your own and forming a "plank" using saws and sanders Using existing lumber from Lowe's or Home Depot Using PVC piping And only one from a guy who does his own fiberglass. (too involved for me). All the end products work, some take TONS of skill and time. Truth be told, i'll chop my tree... and store it for a couple years. In the mean time i'll try a few of the "quick" methods... maybe learn a bit more about wood grains and flow... LOL, I've always loved to work with wood and the smell of it after it has been chipped, cut, sawed or sanded. I'll come up to see you guys and participate in your "bow class" , sounds like I can learn a lot from ya'll. But for now... I'm going to build me a back flash and a "capture box" to practice with my 45# recurve I have had since I was 12 years old. So should I oil or wax my recurve? I have been lightly oiling it over the years, but it looks kind of splotchy in the pictures as if the finish is finally getting worn spots or oxidation? http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Mar2014/Bow/bow4.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Mar2014/Bow/002.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Mar2014/Bow/bow1.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Mar2014/Bow/006.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Mar2014/Bow/bow5.jpg |
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Title: Re: My other money pit...... Post by dontwannapickle on 04/02/15 at 02:33:58 Your bow should be waxed and stored horizontally, hung across two pegs much like you would a long-gun. Don't string it by stepping through it, that has ruined many a recurve from that era. Always use a stringer, a $10 dollar investment. What you don't want to do is stand it on end and I think that oiling it is probably not the best thing either. It should be treated as a varnished or polyurathaned surface not as a raw wood surface. You don't want the wood absorbing oil or the finish reacting with the oil. A traditional archery forum called "the Leatherwall" would be very instructional for you. More later. Gotta date with a gobbler now. Hope he doesn't stand me up. |
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