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Title: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/08/15 at 16:01:24 O.K. so probably nobody remembers me but I bought a 2007 S40 about 3 years ago for my wife. She dropped it a couple times in a parking lot, then her dummy work friends told her "a 650 is WAY to big for you to start riding on". So I sold that, then bought her a V-Star 250, which she quickly became tired of, being limited to pretty much just riding around the neighborhood, so we sold that last summer and started looking for a proper S40 again. I just picked up another '07 with 2500 miles for $1800 (I don't think that was too bad). I look forward to re-learning the ropes of the S40. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Serowbot on 03/08/15 at 17:33:02 Gee.... it's like you never left... :-/... ...and you still remember your password... (points for that) 8-)... No, really... Unless he posted nudie pics of his girlfriend, ...I wouldn't remember Jesus if he posted 3 times 3 years ago... ;D So,... yer' still a noob... ;D... Welcome!,... ...again... ;)... |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Serowbot on 03/08/15 at 17:50:03 PS... if you want to boost yer' post count,... Try to make as many dumb replies as I do... :-?... Not as easy as it looks... :-?... Okay,.. it is as easy as it looks... :-/... I learned it from JOG... he's a pro... ;D... |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by koehlerrk on 03/08/15 at 18:07:21 Very funny Serowbot... cyclesarge, welcome back. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/15 at 19:06:44 What? |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/15 at 19:07:19 Post,just to POST? |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/15 at 19:14:02 That's just tacky,, Who would ever do such a thing? And yeah, I remember sarge,, Your wife ottsta listen to people who ride.. Yeah, a 650 is a lot, but, this is low HP , low CG And pretty light in general. Now, that said, if she can't safely pick it up, it's too much for her. That's just MY opinion,, but I would not own what I couldn't handle alone. Maybe she will never be alone.. That would change |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/15 at 19:14:19 Everything |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by spearheadss on 03/08/15 at 19:47:09 Posting, we're talking about posting. It's not like JOG missed a game or anything. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Kris01 on 03/08/15 at 19:48:15 As of right now, 25958 and counting for JOG! ;D As light and, um, dare I say, underpowered as it is, the 650 is very torquey and may well be too much bike for her. It can get away from you pretty quick if you are just learning. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/15 at 21:16:29 Yaknow, success is found at the intersection of desire and ability, and,I tend to believe everyone is as able as I am, even though I KNOW that not everyone can do the same things... But I could drive a 3speed standard when I was about 5.. I stole the field workers pick up for a few minutes. .never killed it, didn't scorch the clutch.. And put it in second,hanging from the wheel,feet on pedals, climbing one side of the wheel to turn.. They should have beat me, I think they were too amazed at it. Some people have no business riding at all. I hope she has the skills. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by jcstokes on 03/08/15 at 21:40:34 Presumably, the lady has acquired the basics on the 250 and hopefully will be able to apply them to the new S40. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by 1st2know on 03/08/15 at 21:56:23 I would never post just to up my post count. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by 1st2know on 03/08/15 at 21:57:02 662423653C393820570 wrote:
That's a lie, I actually would do something like that. :P |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Dave on 03/09/15 at 08:07:02 Well.....I know we could argue this almost as long as an oil thread. I believe the LS650 is too big/torquey of a motorcycle for a first time rider. I would never plant a person on the bike for their very first motorcycle experience. Once the new rider has the throttle/clutch/brake coordination worked out on a smaller and less responsive motorcycle - the Savage is just fine. It might only take the new rider 30 minutes on a smaller bike...or for the duration of the MSF class - but don't throw someone on a 650 and start to teach them clutch/throttle control. After you have ridden a while - you forget that the clutch/throttle thing is not easy the first few times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaPG5etzolI [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaPG5etzolI[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JkfXc_1dJg [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JkfXc_1dJg[/media] |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Art Webb on 03/09/15 at 08:48:57 I agree, a 250 Rebel is a pretty good starter bike (buy used, and it'll sell for nearly what you bought it for) and contrary to what the stealership will tell you, they will run 70 on the freeway all day long with no issues the S40 is a great next choice, almost the same size, better suspension, and a much stronger motor For many, it's all the bike you'll ever need |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/15 at 09:14:00 I wonder if a dyno would make a fair simulation.. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Serowbot on 03/09/15 at 09:21:39 Simulation of what?... :P... |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/15 at 09:24:43 resistance is futile... you will be a simulated. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Dave on 03/09/15 at 09:48:14 A dyno might tell yo something....if you knew what you are looking at when the graph is put in front of you. The Savage and my little Ninja 250 have almost identical HP readings......around 30 hp. The Savage comes on really strong - and then as you approach 4,000 rpm and up....it loses it's enthusiasm but will continue up to 6,500 rpm if asked to. It has a enough power just off idle to hurt someone if they accidentally apply too much throttle. The Ninja 250 has very little torque - but runs smoothly and cleanly at low rpm, and would make a great starter bike. It accelerates really slow off idle, is nice and peaceful, and rides great around the neighborhood at low rpm. When you get the rpm up above 8,000 rpm - then stuff really happens quickly right up to 14,000 rpm....it is like a different bike up there and handles the interstate at 70-80 just fine. Unlike most 250's - interstate highways can be used easily. There are a lot of them crashed by 'squids" playing racer before they have developed good riding skills. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by old_rider on 03/09/15 at 11:21:29 I would consider the savage/s40 a good "cruiser starter". And find dave's comparison right on the money, although the little ninja's have to have higher rev's to get the hp back they were designed that way. Oh and ... Welcome back, look forward to you and your wife's cycle escapades! :d |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/14/15 at 18:44:59 76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:
That's what I thought. I've been riding on the street for 32 years, and a few years on the dirt before that and I think the people at her work (none of whom RIDE) were probably thinking along the lines of V-Star650, Nighthawk650, or Seca650. We took the bike out a couple times now. The weather's not too bad here, but by the time she gets off work it's starting to get cold. On her second ride she dropped it (glad I bought used again) trying to turn right after stopping pretty close to the right curb :-[. We rode around a little bit after that and she did fine. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/14/15 at 18:51:03 Oh yeah, I helped her pick the bike up, but then she hadn't really tried by the time I got there. I HAVE shown her the video where they show the small woman picking the BIG Harley up by putting her butt to the seat and using her legs to walk the bike up. So if she drops it again, I'll have her try that. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/14/15 at 18:51:45 I think I'm getting the hang of this multiple post thing. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/14/15 at 18:57:38 7B7262657E7A7462110 wrote:
I think so, though she does need some refreshing after not riding for almost a year. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/15 at 19:08:24 Clutch, gas, start,stop, all safe and secure, strapped to a Dyno.. Costs less than trading bikes. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/15/15 at 09:26:43 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote:
So far it hasn't cost me anything, in fact overall I've made money thanks to the first bike I bought her about 10 years ago (a 1989 VTR 250 that I bought for $850 then painted cleaned up and sold for $2000). Each of the other bikes (2007 S40 bought and sold for $2000, 2002 Yamaha Vino bought and sold for $700 and 2007 V-Star 250 bought and sold for $2000) have only cost me an oil change and some very basic maintenance. She's got the clutch, gas, start, stop thing down, she needs help with doing those thing starting and stopping on corners. The dyno thing is an interesting idea though. I have a friend that used to own and operate a "Wheelie simulator" which consisted of an R6 strapped to a resistance wheel on a trailer that would allow you to practice wheelies in safety. I suppose it could also be used to simulate starting and stopping. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by old_rider on 03/15/15 at 09:39:39 CS.... I just put my wife in school.... sent her to two classes. I personally thought it would be better for our marriage if I was not the person training her, or showing her my bad habits. Less stress, better for both of us.... after her class, I gave her a few "pointers" I noticed after about 4 or 5 rides together. Just a thought mind you.... but if she has ridden before it might just be a matter of repetition. :) P.S. She just started riding by herself the last couple of years.... (she is over 50, but don't tell her I told you!) and had never ridden anything other than a bicycle. And um, her coordination was not the best in the world, she gets flustered easily. ::) |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/15/15 at 10:28:46 787B73657E737265170 wrote:
Sounds like my wife, haha. My wife did take the MSF course, though she didn't pass, She dropped the bike on the first exercise because she had it in second gear, and killed the bike while trying to take off, then lost her balance and dropped it. At the time she was able to take the test at the DMV, with a couple practice sessions she was able to pas that, and get her endorsement. Obviously, I'm not expecting her to be a world tourer or hard core rider or anything. The only reason I wanted her to take the class and get her endorsement was because she has always been afraid of riding with me (I think because she didn't understand the physics of motorcycling). Once we started talking about the class, she wanted her own bike. I think she'd be MUCH better at riding on the back now, unfortunately my only bike (right now) is a Harley Nightster (solo seat) and I don't plan on uglying that up with a back seat, passenger pegs and two up shocks, haha, so I'm currently looking at possibly adding a Harley Softail Deluxe to the garage. |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by Boofer on 03/15/15 at 21:54:25 Number 1: Don't listen to other people--unless it's us. B: why put a Savage on any machine except a battery charger. It's small, fast (Unless 85-90 isn't considered fast.), good lookin', reliable, and inexpensive. Can a dyno make you grin like your first kiss? Harley Davidson built a 100 yr empire with mostly 50 hp bikes. Don't over think , over buy, or over ride past your capabilities. I lived through dirt bikes Kaw H1 and H2s. I am 61, and this bike is perfect for me. Stay away from folks who don't support your ride. Unsafe is one thing. Opinion is just that. If you can handle it--enjoy. ;D |
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Title: Re: I'm back Post by cyclesarge on 03/16/15 at 19:25:25 I've had some pretty fast and smooth bikes. I got my first Harley (a 2012 Nightster) a couple years ago and LOVE it. Yeah, by bike standards, it's slow, though it still easily beats car traffic. The thing that is awesome about it is that 80 MPH feels like 140 MPH on my old Ducati 748. I ride for MY thrills. In other words I get the same thrill of feeling like I am going really fast, without the danger of losing my license. With the exception of the cramped handlebar-to-seat situation I like riding the S40 for the same reasons. |
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