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Title: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/04/15 at 11:59:40 I consistently forget to cancel my turn signals after completing a turn. I know this is quite dangerous so I want to put pilot lights on the back side of my Fly Screen so I can live to ride another day. I am considering LED Accent Lights from Joe Florida unless someone here has a better idea. Link to what I am looking at http://www.joeflorida.com/4-led-pods-5-pack/ Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by youzguyz on 03/04/15 at 12:07:04 4F616A477665776C040 wrote:
I use these: https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-light-modules/am-series-miniature-rectangle-accent-light-chrome/24/ They are mounted on the top of the riser bolts. Wired up inside the headlight. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by MnSpring on 03/04/15 at 12:55:31 Common. If fact, coming from a small town, never used ANY blinkers, cause everyone knew where you were going! Anyway, Did this on other MC's. The Savage was a bit different, as it needed a 'Rectifier'. (Their is a thread in Teck section, on many ways). I used a little LED, (red), on my little 'dash' I made, (First Mod) Have changed it. No photos of new mod, (she is sleeping now, their is this white stuff on the ground). Anyway, here is a photo, that little, dot, is a BRIGHT, RED light. Every time I turn on a blinker. I can easily see it, so I remember to turn them off. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Todd James on 03/04/15 at 13:05:43 You might want to consider a beeper instead. It's a very simple installation for only a few bucks. Check this thread, reply No. 14 : http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1285772416/0 |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/04/15 at 13:08:44 MN That dash is a good idea. Without going into a lot of detail how did you wire the pilot light? I assume that the head light has to come apart for the wiring. How do you take the head light apart to get at the wiring? Thank You, Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by verslagen1 on 03/04/15 at 13:23:47 depending upon your year, you either have a left and right indicator in your tank or 1 light for both. Since LED's use very little current, I'd just jack into the tank connector for your lights. Just use a multi meter to find which wire was on for each light. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by youzguyz on 03/04/15 at 13:36:59 6749426F5E4D5F442C0 wrote:
Two screws on the headlight shell, and the front of the headlight comes off. The wiring to the turn signals joins the wiring harness in there using bullet connectors. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/04/15 at 13:47:54 Todd, I think the beeper is a great idea, but that electrical setup is a little over my pay grade. Verslagen, My S40 is a 2013 model and does have 2 pilot lights, both a left and right indicator. I have a multi meter hanging in the garage so I guess I am going to have to learn to use it. The only disadvantage I can think of for connecting under the tank is that I am more likely to have to take the tank off occasionally than to take the head light off. I am ordered some LEDs and I am going to hook them up before I get in an accident because an automobile driver thinks I am turning left and they turn in front of me. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by MnSpring on 03/04/15 at 13:48:18 Well, headlight. Just look, you will see how. As to wiring, Below are two very good links (With Photos and all !) I just used a light rather than a buzzer. It is, really simple. Just keep in mind, 12v, a + & -, attached to a device, gives that devise power. (Of course, a 'Amber Fluid, or two', makes it even simpler!) If you want to use, two lights, (one each side) it is even Simpler. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1189100000 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1285772416 |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by verslagen1 on 03/04/15 at 14:13:44 59777C516073617A120 wrote:
but you never take off the wiring harness... don't put it on the tank side... put it on the frame side. but inside the headlight would be the same. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/04/15 at 14:41:45 Verslagen, Thank you. Now I think I understand what you have in mind. I believe that is the best way to do this. I guess I am finally going to put batteries in the multi meter and learn how to use it. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/15 at 14:51:23 You have power to the signals, comes outta the flasher unit. Tap into that, run a skinny wire up and around stuff to an LED, then run the other side of the LED to ground. Either side on? Flashing LED.. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Flint on 03/04/15 at 14:51:34 I find myself always forgetting to cancel the signal light as well. I gave up and just use old fashioned hand signals. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/15 at 15:31:13 You forget to cancel the manual signal just One Time and it's time to park it.. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Flint on 03/04/15 at 16:39:05 I have had a few bikes that never came with turn signals from the factory, a Norton, a Triumph and an Indian. Signal lights are just another gadget. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Serowbot on 03/04/15 at 17:08:03 I use hand signals... ...if my arm gets tired, I know I forgot to put it away... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by MnSpring on 03/04/15 at 17:30:21 ;D ;D ;D ;D I know. You know. What the, manual, (arm) turn signals mean. How many Other, (under 25) drivers, have the, FIRST CLUE, of what they mean ???? |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Kris01 on 03/04/15 at 18:17:55 I don't know ANYONE over or under 25 that knows hand signals! |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Flint on 03/04/15 at 18:25:36 Hand signals are still on the drivers test here although who knows how much some people retain after getting their licence? Half of the idiots don't pull over to the side for cop cars and ambulances any more either. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/15 at 04:23:10 Back to the question,, Kenny , you see anything that is helping? |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Dave on 03/05/15 at 04:51:00 Braveteacher installed some LED indicators in his top fork yoke. It is a nice looking setup. Go to post #22 in this link: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1361844966/15 It is easy to connect to the wires in the headlight bucket. Just find the wires that go to the front turn signals - I believe one is green and the other is black. Tap into those wires with the hot side, and run the other side to a ground (black with white stripe I believe). If you want a single light, then you need to connect a diode to both turn signals wires (left and right), the run the single wire from the diode to the indicator light. https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flashers-load-resistors/metric-bike-diode-kit/1190/ |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/05/15 at 07:02:39 Justin, I have found some helpful comments, but telling me about using hand signals is not very constructive. I started riding a motorcycle before most cars on the road had turn signals and no motorcycles that I can think of had turn signals. That was dangerous enough for one life time. In this day and age when one puts their left arm up to make a right turn I am sure most drivers have no clue what the cyclist is doing. Dave, I like the way Brave Teacher did his indicator lights. I will probably use 2 lights since I do not know how a diode works. I ordered some miniature LEDs and I am going to attempt to place them on the back side of the Fly Screen to get them up high enough that I can see them without having to look down. I do appreciate the helpful comments and links that eventually show up on the forum Kenny G :-/ |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by verslagen1 on 03/05/15 at 07:33:48 5E707B566774667D150 wrote:
funny you should say that since LED are diodes that emit light. ;D you hook up + to one end and - to the other, hook it backwards and it does nothing but hook it up right and it lights up. pump too much current thru it and it blows up. same thing with a diode except no light and it's made to flow more current. think of them as a 1 way gate. you buy them buy the current capacity. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by old_rider on 03/05/15 at 13:26:33 Both flasher power positives run off the flasher fuse (like JoG said) don't they? So put a small phiezo(sp?) speaker under yer seat or mount a small bracket near there.... blinker on.... beep, beep, beep... blinker off peace and quiet. I had one on my vtx that one of the guys was selling as a kit, with directions included. Dang thing was so loud I taped some heavy foam around it to keep people at stop lights from giving me the "turn it off or i'll shoot you" look :o >:( ebay has some similar http://www.ebay.com/itm/78-Honda-CB750-K-CB-750-SOHC-turn-signal-blinker-beeper-alarm-horn-/311014471757?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4869e8384d&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/05/15 at 13:50:59 Old Rider, I couldn't hear the signals clicking on a couple of late model automobiles I have owned and added turn signal speakers and that was satisfactory. I think I want really bright lights right in front of me to let me know that I have a turn signal blinking. If this isn't satisfactory I should be able to add the speaker into the same circuit, I think. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Kris01 on 03/06/15 at 12:15:58 Here's an idea: search for signalminder at ridesafer.com. It's a self-canceling turn signal. http://ridesafer.com/index.php/lighting/sm-2.html |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/06/15 at 12:33:47 Kris, The Signal Minder looks like a great idea, but it is a little expensive. I am going to try the LED pilot lights on the back side of my Fly Screen first and if that isn't effective I will add the small beeper. If I had known about the Signal Minder it would probably have been my first choice, but as usual I am a day late and a dollar short. Thank you, Kenny G :-/ |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Kris01 on 03/06/15 at 13:10:00 6D4348655447554E260 wrote:
Welcome to the club! ;D |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/18/15 at 09:45:25 I managed to get the Joe Florida LED Cluster hooked up to my turn signal flasher and the results are better than expected. I only used one of the LED Clusters, because with hooking it up to the flasher the LED will flash regardless of which turn signal is active or if I have the Emergency flashers on. An attempt at adding a picture is below. I guess you will have to take my word for the success of this minor modification...LOL Kenny G http://s1320.photobucket.com/user/KennyG1938/media/IMG_0374_zpsueosrohj.jpg.html?state=replace&sp=false |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Dave on 03/18/15 at 10:00:23 So.....you hook the LED up to the positive side to the wire that comes out of the flasher and heads to the switch and ground the other LED wire.....and the LED by itself is not enough to activate the flasher to operate? And then when the switch is thrown and the turn signals come into the circuit the flasher begins....Cool! (Betcha this won't work for those of us who are running electronic flasher units and LED turn signals). Have you tried that LED at night yet? You might have to "put a sock on it" to keep you form being blinded after dark. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/18/15 at 10:30:20 Dave, This pertains to my 2013 S40. I wired the LED into the flasher. From the LED I hooked up the Red wire into the Brown wire on the flasher. I hooked up the Black wire from the LED into the Blue wire on the flasher. The LED Cluster has a sticky back and I stuck it onto the top of the headlight for it to reflect off of the Fly Shield. AT 12 noon on a bright sunny day I cannot miss seeing that I have a turn signal on. I am night blind so I do very little riding after dark, but I am sure there is a satisfactory way to minimize the amount of "brightness". Since the back side of the LED is sticky I think it could just be moved to the underside of the headlight at night. I would probably just put a piece of black electrical tape over the LED Cluster and that should cut off most of the green light. At night on my motorcycles I can see the front turn signal blinking. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/15 at 11:08:23 What about a LED in the upper rear of the turn signals housing? |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/18/15 at 11:15:53 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
How about just returning the switch to center as he completes his turn? Afterall, there is already a warning indicator to confirm the action. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/18/15 at 12:16:11 Before this brilliant idea of mine goes too far astray, let me point out that for most riders this addition to the wiring circuit is probably unnecessary. I quit using hand signals sometime in the mid 1960s and I am not likely to go back to them. For those that are comfortable with using a hand signal, good for you. For those riders that are constantly looking down at the tank you will find that turn signal indicators are standard equipment on the S40. I seldom look down at the tank, so I added the Pilot Light as a safety feature for my own unique style of riding. I just started my 63rd year of riding and if I am careful I may be able to get anther 7 or 8 years of riding. I am also sure that the next car that turns in front of me could signal my last day of riding on this good earth. I have rode with other motorcyclists often enough to know that I am not the only rider to forget to turn off their turn signal after completing a turn. Kenny G :-/ |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Dave on 03/18/15 at 12:55:03 Kenny: I wear a full face helmet, and found having to completely rotate my head down and lose all sight of the road to read the speedometer or instrument lights very scary. Now that the bike is a Cafe' bike and has all that stuff up on the handlebars...it is no longer an issue. Dave |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/18/15 at 13:18:53 Dave, I will never be able to afford to do a full RYCA Café Racer, but I do hope to replace the speedometer with one from RYCA on the handlebars before too long. I just cannot get used to looking down at the tank when I am riding. I, along with many others, do forget to click off the turn signal after completing a turn. I thought putting a Pilot Light up where it can be seen would be a safety feature. Obviously most disagree with me. I will try to remove the posting as soon as I figure out how to do it. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/18/15 at 13:20:59 Not judging Kenny. We're both life-long motorcyclists, and sure, I've left the directional on in the past. I've developed a habit where I don't take my thumb off the switch until I've returned it to center. If I'm not sure it's centered I glance at the indicator. I've also owned bikes in the past that had self-cancelling directional switches. I don't know why they aren't all that way. Maybe that's what you really want to install. |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Gary_in_NJ on 03/18/15 at 13:23:28 Here's an aftermarket unit for a Harley. I bet it can be adapted... http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/32471/i/signal-dynamics-self-canceling-turn-signal-module He's another unit I found... http://kisantech.com/mag/index.php/signalminder/sm-3.html |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/18/15 at 13:37:21 Gary, I would sure like to have one of the devices to cancel the turn signal, but they cost $75.00 to $100.00 and I cannot afford that at the moment. I was able to afford the $11.50 for the LEDs. And I have enough LEDs left over to do 3 more motorcycles. I am definitely going to do my Blast and probably give away the rest. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by Dave on 03/18/15 at 14:02:51 I saw your yellow blast when I looked through your photo link. Even though it will derail this thread...tell us about the blast. How does it compare to the Savage? |
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Title: Re: Pilot Lights For Turn Signals Post by KennyG on 03/18/15 at 14:56:04 Dave, Other than than fact that they are both one cylinder motorcycles there is not much to compare. The biggest disadvantage to the Blast is that Harley Davidson manufactured them. The isolator and the shifting mechanism are the really weak points. If you want to soup one up the parts and information are readily available. They still run them for records at Bonneville. The Suzuki 650 single is much more refined and I don't have to point out the weak points on here, because everyone that has been here for a while knows them. Both motorcycles will do about 95 MPH, but I am sure my Blast will do it quicker. The torque on the Blast really chews up rear tires in a hurry. My last Pirelli Diablo only made it 3400 miles. The reason that Blasts get such a bad rap is because of the bikes used in The Riders Edge Program. They sell this junk, that should have been scrapped, to unsuspecting first time motorcycle owners. The darned things wont shift out of 3rd gear and within a couple of hundred miles a lot first time motorcycle riders become last time motorcycle riders. Harley's business model is aimed at screwing both new and old riders in one way or another without discrimination. Kenny G |
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