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Message started by Drow on 02/23/15 at 15:41:13

Title: Why chain conversion?
Post by Drow on 02/23/15 at 15:41:13

I see hear on the forum that some have converted their bikes from a belt to a chain.  Can somebody tell me why that is desirable?  I grew up with messy oily chains and all that goes with that.  Maybe I'm missing something but I don't know why someone would want to do that.

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Kris01 on 02/23/15 at 15:43:47

So you can change the gear ratio.  That's all. There's no other benefit. The chain actually uses a little more hp.

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/15 at 15:44:19

Please read the guidelines before you post.

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Drow on 02/23/15 at 16:08:18

Sorry if I did something wrong.  Did I put this in the wrong section or something?

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Dave on 02/23/15 at 17:18:06


4D7B667E65607A6667090 wrote:
Sorry if I did something wrong.  Did I put this in the wrong section or something?


Yes.  You posted a question in the Technical Articles....which is reserved for tried and proven "How To" articles.

Questions about the Savage go in the Rubber Side Down.

Questions or posting about other stuff and other bikes goes in the Cafe.

In the Tall Table......I don't know...I never go there.


Me....I like the belt and I plan on keeping it.

Here is an old thread about belts vs. chains.
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1420040679/9#9

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/23/15 at 21:15:11

You aren't the first,won't be the last,,

Stick around, read, ask,  There's much to know about these bikes.
And the guys here know it inside and out.

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Serowbot on 02/23/15 at 22:09:22

Stick with the belt... not only for practicality...
The belt is the eye grabber on this bike...

Tons of people ask me,... "Is the belt drive stock?"....

Wicked awesome fat belt!...
Cool!... ;)...

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by atomikchicken on 03/03/15 at 08:50:11

So you are saying wide tires are so "yesterday."  Wide belts are the new cool/black. I just can not keep up with this fashion stuff.

1998 LS650 with three inch lowered forks, six gallon tank, cafe tail, ape hangers with clip-ons and a six inch belt from a buzz saw.

What did I miss?

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Dave on 03/03/15 at 09:17:46


00150E0C080A020908020A040F610 wrote:
So you are saying wide tires are so "yesterday."  Wide belts are the new cool/black. I just can not keep up with this fashion stuff.

1998 LS650 with three inch lowered forks, six gallon tank, cafe tail, ape hangers with clip-ons and a six inch belt from a buzz saw.

What did I miss?


Is the 6 gallon tank stripped of paint, then allowed to rust a bit, then clear coated to keep it from rusting any further? :-?

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Art Webb on 03/03/15 at 09:51:23

I'm over ever widening tires on bikes, It's gone beyond IMO
the Savage is a 30HP 400lb bike with a wider rear tire, stock, than my old XS1100, which with 95 HP and a 600lb curb weight has no issues with traction
I have gone to a bigger (taller) tire in back due to economics, but I always keep in mind that a fatter tire hydroplanes more easily, even on a bike
I watch some of the biker build offs and see the guys fitting ever wider tires to bikes that are ill handling already due to being designed for 'coolness' rather than function and think 'really?, another fat tire, is that all you could think of? it's just copycatting at this point
No offense to guys who like wide tires, the first time I saw a 190 on a chopper I thought it was cool, too, then I saw eleventy gazillion of the same and it got to be very ho hum

I've never forgotten the day when I watched a Beetle out corner a 911 with fat tires on a slick wet road

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Dave on 03/03/15 at 10:05:34


62717774666161030 wrote:
I've never forgotten the day when I watched a Beetle out corner a 911 with fat tires on a slick wet road


I just thought of this kind of stuff this morning (and Serowbot), as I followed a Geo Metro to work that had skinny narrow little tires on it.

Yep, we have become accustomed to wide tires on cars and bike.....and it is a fashion statement.  On my Cafe' bike I had a 110/90 front tire and a 130/70 rear tire, and when a friend of mine who road races Norton's and Ducati's rode the bike...the first thing he commented on was I should put narrower tires on the bike so it would be more nimble.  I now have a 90/90 front tire and a 110/70 rear tire and they work just fine.  It does however look a little skinny in the back when the rubber drive belt more than half the width of the tire!

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Art Webb on 03/03/15 at 10:18:20

Dave have you ever ridden a Ninja 500? I'm curious how the cafes compare to that ergonomically speaking

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Dave on 03/03/15 at 10:56:20


34272122303737550 wrote:
Dave have you ever ridden a Ninja 500? I'm curious how the cafes compare to that ergonomically speaking


No - I bought a blown up Ninja 250 last summer and put a used engine in it, and it has a very nice seating position and it is very nimble.  Last summer when I had my Ninja down a the Dragon I met two young fellows that rode their Ninja 250's down from Canada.  The 500 is most likely a bit less nimble, has a bit more aggressive seating position - and is a whole lot more powerful.  I do believe the factory bikes are more comfortable than my Cafe' conversion - but I am working on that...this year I will have new seat padding, new angle for my clip ons, and I am changing my fork yokes back to stock to make less trail and a bit less steering effort.  If I were to raise the clip ons above the fork yoke it would be far easier on my arms and it would sit more like a "standard" bike.

Title: Re: Why chain conversion?
Post by Art Webb on 03/03/15 at 15:02:57

actually the seating posistion on the 500 and 250 are identical, the 250 is mostly smaller in the motor
I loved mine, for short runs, but my old hips compalined about the peg location: lower or farther back would have been okay, but behind and high, not so much
Sometimes I put my feet on the rear pegs on the S40 to take some of the pressure off my butt: I was thinking since it's narrower, it might not be as bad as the Ninja's position, particularly if the foot / knee tuck is a bit roomier
(i have this same issue with my XS1100, which is a big standard / tourer, so I think it's more the width than anything)
Always wanted proper, changeable bars for the thing, and some way to lower the pegs a bit (never once scraped one) otherwise I'd still have the bike

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