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Title: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/22/15 at 13:40:04 My 2001 savage is giving me some problems. I'll first admit that I didnt properly winterize and store my bike as I should have. I live in NJ and its very cold here right now. Its stored in my garage and I would go out once a week to start it up and let her run for a lil bit. Today it started and runs fine for about 15-20 seconds and then it dies. Any help would be greatly appreciated concerning this issue along with a link to proper bike winterization. Thanks |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/15 at 14:50:18 Don't be afraid of boring these guys with details. Choke? Twist gas? Details, read some old threads, see the questions, |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by Dave on 02/22/15 at 14:57:14 I would start by charging the battery, and draining the float bowl and see what comes out of it. Just running a bike occasionally really isn't a good idea - all kinds of moisture builds up in the crankcase and exhaust system if you don't go out a ride it for about 20 minutes and get it all warmed up. Idling for more than 4-5 minutes is never a good idea, and longer than that is worse. I am really anal about winter prep. I get the bike warm with a little ride and then change the oil and filter, wash the bike, dry it off and go for a ride to get all the moisture out of it. I then drain out the fuel and start the bike and let it run out of fuel. Then I put a battery tender on it every few weeks until the tender shows the battery is fully charged..I don't leave the tender on all the time. If your bike is not in a heated garage and is subject to large temperature and humidity swings...it is really important to get the ethanol fuel out of it before you put it in storage. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/22/15 at 15:02:05 Battery is good, checked that first. I did drain the bowl and about a tbs of fuel dripped out. I guess ill pull the carb off to check for gunk and clean her out. Can my spark plug be fouled up from sitting? |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by Dave on 02/22/15 at 17:08:21 When spark plugs go bad....they generally don't let the bike start and run for 20 seconds. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/15 at 19:25:43 First, pull the fuel line and see what flows on Prime. Before you Ever pull the plug, blow the cavity it sits in clear of crud. Do the petcock test. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/24/15 at 14:45:04 The petcock is good. I dropped the float bowl today and everything is moving freely. Just started playing with carbs a year ago on my miller gen/welder. If and when i do pull the carb off, what should i check? Can the needle be gummed up from sitting gas and moisture? The bike has 15k, should i consider rebuilding the carb while shes off? |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by Gary_in_NJ on 02/24/15 at 15:35:44 Check for clogged jets and passage ways. A good soaking with carb cleaner and some compressed air will do wonders. You might also want to blow out the fuel lines too. Running for 20 seconds indicates some type of fuel restriction. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/15 at 18:26:28 rubber parts and carb cleaner is a bad mix. You are seriously in the Cam Chain Service Required mileage. That has been known to destroy engines. You're certain that fuel is flowing? You've drained the bowl after putting it on Prime, waiting,switching to Run, ? Then start, run till it dies, measure the bowl again? I have forgotten to hook up the gas line and ridden more than 20 seconds..How are you testing the battery? What are you doing to test the petcock? I'm just seeing suggestions and you say that you've done it, but no real explanations. Bore us with details.. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by old_rider on 02/25/15 at 00:45:31 Tim... did you pull the choke (fuel enrichment)???? Half way? or all the way? If so, did it bog and did you smell fuel? Do you have a stock petcock? Pull the oil fill and smell....does it smell like fuel? You are telling us you pulled the carb...fuel was good.... Please tell us the steps and mods.... :The petcock works good: does not tell us you followed known procedures. A "Miller/gen welder" ???? why do we need to know what welder you have? Is that a carb? Do you not have a stock Mikuni carb? "I pulled the choke all the way" "I have a 1850 0()U)(* carburetor" "I have done the Yamaha petcock mod" " It only turns over but does not fire" "It is -20 degrees outside" Information works wonders... |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/15 at 10:09:38 Spend time reading. Try the Trailered S40 home thread. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by Suzukisavvy on 02/25/15 at 12:22:58 To throw this out there, is the fuel any good? |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/15 at 12:33:47 Age of fuel matters,, LOT, costs almost nothing to be certain.. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/25/15 at 16:46:41 I pulled off the gas tank and carb today. The previous owner upgraded to the raptor petcock. When I took it off the tank I also pulled off the petcock. When I did, I found one of the filters off of it and rolling around in the tank. Im tempted to just pop the filter back on it, but ill just order a new one. I took the carb apart and started cleaning it with carb/choke cleaner. Also took out the jets and cleaned them to, one looks like it may have had some gunk in it. Im going to take the carb to work tomorrow where i have access to compressed air and use a blow gun to make sure all passages are clear. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/15 at 17:57:16 Eye protection.. If you find a Real Good Deal on the petcock, it's not the real deal. Small tubing, |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/26/15 at 16:33:06 I ordered a raptor petcock today along with some parts for the carb. I figured since I have it off for a cleaning, I might as well do it right. I was curious how to remove the float pin. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/15 at 16:51:55 petcock price? Source? Be careful with the pin. Should be easy, if not, support things before you put pressure on anything. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by Gary_in_NJ on 02/27/15 at 05:15:00 5D404444504B4650111C290 wrote:
It should only take finger pressure to move the float pin. If more force is required something is misaligned. Wiggle the float as you put pressure on the pin. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by Dave on 02/27/15 at 05:53:27 707A7E747F76727B252327170 wrote:
It should only take finger pressure to move the float pin. If more force is required something is misaligned. Wiggle the float as you put pressure on the pin.[/quote] I think the pin that is sometimes hard to get out....is the hinge pin for the float. It can become corroded in place, and it comes out only on one side. It is easier with 3-4 hands - but I place a small 1/4" drive deep socket on my work bench and set the edge of the mount for the pin on top of the socket - then gently tap the hinge pin with a tiny punch and see if I can get it to move. Soaking with penetrating oil is sometimes necessary. Don't get in too big of a hurry....breaking off the aluminum mount makes for a bad day. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/27/15 at 14:04:23 I got the pin out no problem. I had trouble with some screw heads stripping on me, but I took my dremel to em and gave em a nice slot to stick a flat head in. Everything is apart and clean. Just waiting for my parts from bike bandit. I also realized that the brass plug that covers that air mixture screw (not sure if thats the name) came out on its own at some point. So once everything is together and running (hopefully). I can adjust that to reduce the backfiring |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by Gary_in_NJ on 02/27/15 at 15:34:35 I always replace those Phillips head screws that hold the float bowl with cap screws. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/27/15 at 15:36:55 I ordered new ones for a few cents each off of bike bandit. But I think ill head down to my local sears and pick up some of those from the nuts and bolts bin. Thanks for the tip |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/15 at 15:42:04 IMO adjusting the air/fuel mixture needs to be done while out riding. I typically don't like stopping at the red lights, but a screwdriver in the pocket and some city traffic made making the tiny adjustments easy and I was able to test immediately, till it was like I wanted. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 02/27/15 at 17:16:44 Im definitely going to read up on those threads about the adjustment before I start playing with it |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 03/11/15 at 17:35:05 Thanks for the help everyone. I got her running today and even took it for a spin. I rebuilt the carb and threw on a new raptor petcock. It stalled when I put it in second, but some adjustments to the clutch cable fixed that. I think I stretched the cable a bit when I put on my modified tensioner. Its running better than before to. Next im going to tackle the rear brakes and that leaking head bolt issue. Thanks again everyone. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/15 at 18:05:50 What are you gonna do to the brakes? |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by timmyboy85 on 03/11/15 at 18:08:57 Just change the shoes. It feels like their worn. I tried adjusting them, but no difference in play. |
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Title: Re: running then dies Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/15 at 18:39:22 Odds of the shoes being worn out is as close to zero as your odds of winning the lottery. Unless they have been adjusted to drag till they just cooked.. Can you lock up the rear tire? |
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