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Message started by MnSpring on 02/13/15 at 17:51:47

Title: Today's Youth
Post by MnSpring on 02/13/15 at 17:51:47

Today's Youth

TRUE Happing, Very sad, But also very funny:

Recently flying into Phoenix AZ, Took the shuttle to Prescott AZ.
Sat in the back, and a young girl sat next to me.
She was 23 years old, and a Sophomore at the Yavapai College in Prescott AZ.
In the 2 + hour drive, we talked about many things.

About 15-20 min left of the ride, she mentioned, a, ‘Female Professor’, gave her a, “Female, Bill of Rights".
Which she recited, (and was basically, from a 239 year old document, with of course, several Ultra-Liberal, changes).
I asked her: “Do you think that some of those things, came from the Constitution, and the original ‘Bill of Rights” ?

She said: “The What”.
I said: “The Constitution of the United Stated of America, and the Bill of Rights”
She said, (again), “The What”.

(At that point, a lady sitting in front of us, about 40 +/-, turned around, and just, EXPLODED on her)

23 years old, a Sophomore in Collage, A Graduate of a High School somewhere in NY. (She did not say where)

Does NOT, know !!!!!!

Exactly, WHO, is teaching these young people, and WHAT are they teaching?

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Serowbot on 02/13/15 at 18:04:13

You can lead a horse to water.... :-?...

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/13/15 at 19:03:45

It's time to admit that the trough is not being filled.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by jcstokes on 02/13/15 at 22:37:43

They don't seem to care. We live in different countries , but there was a general election in New Zealand late last year. No guessing which age group had the lowest rate of enrolments, at least in the electorate I live in. Twenty four per cent of people couldn't be bothered to vote, given the quality of politicians, can you blame them? New Zealand was the first country in the world to give adult male voting rights in about 1858, could be wrong here, and definitely the first to give women the vote in 1893. Although I think Wyoming beat us for state or provincial elections. The late great sufferagettes in all countries would turn in their graves to hear this young woman. However I guess that's life.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Dave on 02/16/15 at 03:31:38

Kelly Pickler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by runwyrlph on 02/16/15 at 07:13:13

"this may be a stupid question...I thought Europe WAS a country!" ;D ;D

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by MnSpring on 02/16/15 at 14:09:48

So, That's the kind of woman,
Who, Beleaves, when you say,
'Something, is 8 inches'.

Gosh, never met one !!!

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Kris01 on 02/16/15 at 15:13:39

The sad part is... There are people walking around that are truly that stupid. :o

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Steve H on 02/16/15 at 15:20:52

Runwyrlph,

Europe is a continent. There are several countries on the European continent.

http://europe.theworldatlas.net/countries.html

This map will show you the extents of Europe and the countries within.

Not a stupid question at all. Stuff like this isn't, and hasn't been taught in a while. Also, you made a statement, not ask a question. Just picking a little. ;D

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Dave on 02/16/15 at 16:21:00

4259000302050708310 wrote:

Steve H;

You didn't watch the Kelly Pickler video.....did you? She was the one that was confused - not Runwyrlph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Serowbot on 02/16/15 at 16:39:40

To be honest,.. When I was young, I could care less about history or politics... Too busy having fun...
It wasn't 'till I got into my mid 20's that I started to find the workings of the world interesting...
Since then, I've been a fairly avid history buff...

So,... there's time...
There's worse things than enjoying your youth...
;)...

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by MnSpring on 02/16/15 at 18:01:27

Favorites are from the, 'Jay Leno' Show, "Jay Walking".

Q: Name two countries that border the US.
A: Alaska & Hawaii.

Q: Name the first President of the US.
A: Abe Lincoln.

Q: Describe a, Illegal Alien.
A: Someone from Mars.

A-Yep, and this is from, COLLAGE Grads LOLOLOOLO

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Kris01 on 02/16/15 at 18:07:49

Like I tell people all the time...

College doesn't make you smart and professional just means you get paid for it. It doesn't mean you're good at it.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/15 at 19:41:35

yout is wasted on the young.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Art Webb on 02/17/15 at 09:02:40

I've said it many a time and I'll say it again, education does not make you smart, it just makes you 'educated' or an unreasonable facsimile thereof

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Steve H on 02/17/15 at 09:11:04

No, I didn't watch the video. Was busy doing other stuff at the time and just didn't have time.

Sorry Ralph.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Dave on 02/17/15 at 09:31:35

4259000302050708310 wrote:

No, I didn't watch the video. Was busy doing other stuff at the time and just didn't have time.

When you get time....you should watch it. It is really funny, and pitiful at the same time. She is a good singer, performer, and rumor is she is a nicer person - she just doesn't know much about geography.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Serowbot on 02/17/15 at 11:53:55

I didn't watch the video either... :P...

I wasn't into politics or history when I was young,.. but I did know Europe wasn't a country...
... and Bubba' the show host is saying,.. "Hungry"... it's "Hungary"...
I think he only knows what's written down for him...
:-/...

..or is it, the "Knghted States of Merca"???... ;D...

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by verslagen1 on 02/17/15 at 12:01:52

buda pest? isn't that in the orient?

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Serowbot on 02/17/15 at 12:07:13

People from Holland speak Hollandaise... ;D ;D ;D...

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by verslagen1 on 02/17/15 at 12:17:28

And Mayans speak mayonnaise.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by runwyrlph on 02/17/15 at 13:15:26

38237A79787F7D724B0 wrote:

No, I didn't watch the video. Was busy doing other stuff at the time and just didn't have time.

Sorry Ralph.

No prob. You were very kind in your response. :)

I do have to wonder if there wasn't a bit of acting going on there - playing the "dumb blonde" ???

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Steve H on 02/17/15 at 16:20:40

buda pest.

I though that was when your bud hung around too much and got on your nerves.

Like, hey man, your bud a pest. ;D

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by spearheadss on 02/17/15 at 16:58:56

Why learn something when you can just look it up on Wikipedia?

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by arteacher on 02/17/15 at 17:56:52

Stupid people don't seek a post secondary education.
Smart people seek a post secondary education.
Really really smart people educate themselves.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Art Webb on 02/17/15 at 18:44:15

7873737A7679786263170 wrote:

Stupid people don't seek a post secondary education.
Smart people seek a post secondary education.
Really really smart people educate themselves.

If by post secondary education you mean college / university, you are sadly mistaken, there are plenty of stupid people with degrees

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/15 at 19:56:09

I was on a job with two engineers. They tried to design a tool for lifting a broken piece of casing pipe.. both broke. I designed the last one ,using the last of the one inch plate,, mine worked..and they weren't stupid, I'm just good at some stuff..

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by old_rider on 02/17/15 at 22:19:32

Please... don't get me started on the education system... LOL... ok, i'll stop right here.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Oldfeller on 02/21/15 at 04:26:33

I won't ..... I was taught basic math in elementary school and as part of that training we were taught exactly HOW TO MAKE CHANGE and how to talk to the person while you did it.

Simple really, start with the $2.38 purchase price and put enough pennies into the guy's hand to make it to the next whole coin increment (2 cents gets you to $2.40) then get him up to the next quarter increment (a dime gets you to $2.50) then two quarters finishes the dollar.

You counted it out into his hand and talked to him while you did it -- making change was a professional skill that everyone had when I was a kid.

Of course it was assumed the person you were making change for was equally skilled and could easily keep up with the simple addition.

To this day my wife can just look at a grocery check out receipt and spot where her coupons were not correctly discounted -- and the clerks can't deal with that and have to call a manager who has to go get a calculator or else they void the item completely and ring it up again separately.

(I told one manager one time that they had charged me tax twice by doing that and it blew her mind ....)

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Serowbot on 02/21/15 at 07:21:51

57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:

My favorite,... American engineers spent like a million dollars designing a pen that would write upside-down for use in space... Russians had the same problem,.. they used a pencil instead...
;D...

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by runwyrlph on 02/21/15 at 08:48:53

0A2921232029292037450 wrote:

Of course it was assumed the person you were making change for was equally skilled and could easily keep up with the simple addition.

yeah JOG. As a kid I remember clerks counted change back to people...

I was taught to always count the change back (with the tendered money on top of the drawer) in my first pharmacy internship in a family owned drugstore.

I still count change back to people if I'm at the register - as much as anything just to enjoy their baffled expressions.

("why's the druggist counting backwards??') :)

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by verslagen1 on 02/21/15 at 09:03:05

5345524F57424F54200 wrote:

[quote author=57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 link=1423878707/15#26 date=1424231769]I was on a job with two engineers. They tried to design a tool for lifting a broken piece of casing pipe.. both broke. I designed the last one ,using the last of the one inch plate,, mine worked..and they weren't stupid, I'm just good at some stuff..

My favorite,... American engineers spent like a million dollars designing a pen that would write upside-down for use in space... Russians had the same problem,.. they used a pencil instead...
;D... [/quote]
and it only costs $0.50 a week for the old lady to come and sweep out the capsule.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/15 at 09:17:25

Yeah, my G-paw taught me how to count change, about age 9.. it's SO easy..

And, owing $18.24 and handing the clerk $20.25 ,,,
Instead of $1.76, I get $2.01.
And usually a confused look.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by spearheadss on 02/21/15 at 10:40:07

Try giving someone a $2 bill. I was told it was fake money one time.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Dave on 02/21/15 at 13:34:45

3F3C292D3E24292D283F3F4C0 wrote:

Try giving someone a $2 bill. I was told it was fake money one time.

I worked with a guy that liked to play games with those kind of folks. He paid with $ 2.00 bills, Sacajawea dollar coins, and Susan B Anthony's..... ;D

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Kris01 on 02/21/15 at 15:12:55

... and Susan B Anthony's..... ;D

Careful! They'll expect 75 more cents!

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by old_rider on 02/22/15 at 11:35:53

57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:

My favorite,... American engineers spent like a million dollars designing a pen that would write upside-down for use in space... Russians had the same problem,.. they used a pencil instead...
;D...and it only costs $0.50 a week for the old lady to come and sweep out the capsule.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/22/15 at 12:33:29

My magnesium fire starting thing hangs in the shop with a bag of kindling.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by savskad on 02/22/15 at 16:21:55

I'm 23 years old right now...I will be honest, there are a lot of little details I probably missed in High School my "ADD" doesn't help either when it came to paying attention in class.

But I do know what the Constitution is.
I do know what the bill of rights is.
I know george washington was our first president.
I know who won the Civil war.
I know who BIDEN is.
I know that we gained independence from Britain in 1776.

Please refer to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRZZpk_9k8E

They know who SNOOKIE is! [smiley=embarassed.gif]

Also...I for some reason feel I'm not "college-material". (Even though I'm going to college at the moment. Just one class...learning AutoCAD.)

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by old_rider on 02/22/15 at 18:55:04

Sav..... I took a year of college drafting, scored high on all the tests.... was in the top 10 of a class of 50..... while in class we had to use higher math to solve equations, geometry, trigonometry and calculus.
After the class was finished, I decided to take my prerequisites to finish my first degree.
I was told by the counselor that assisted folks on their path to degrees, that I would have to take basic math classes and some algebra classes to get my degree.
I argued with several counselors and the college director about having to take the basic math classes after I had already had higher math during my drafting class. Why should I have to pay for classes that I did not need?
Because it was listed as a prereq..... is all they would say. Needless to say, I ended up dropping out of college and writing the Illinois board of education about it, to me it was the principle of the thing..... I had a "big" head...and couldn't be cured of it. LOL... I still do not have a degree.
Guess what...10 years later they had "testable" ways to circumvent having to spend more cash on un-needed classes.
I still have copies from our local newspaper that lists folks that made "The deans list" in the college... my mom cut out a dozen or so because she was proud of me, later when I dropped out she was sooooo mad.
Guess I told my story so you would know.... stay in school.... not because its cool.... LOL.... just so you will have a piece of paper that says you are smart.... and folks will hire you, "4years" looks a lot better on a resume than "some college".

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Art Webb on 02/23/15 at 08:01:45

50535B4D565B5A4D3F0 wrote:

[quote author=57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 link=1423878707/15#26 date=1424231769]My favorite,... American engineers spent like a million dollars designing a pen that would write upside-down for use in space... Russians had the same problem,.. they used a pencil instead...
;D...and it only costs $0.50 a week for the old lady to come and sweep out the capsule.

I always thought that was a silly commercial about the space pens.... because most ink is water based and will eventually disappear, where as a pencil is carbon and won't.
Also, ink will run out in pens faster than a pencil lead will run out, although a pencil will "shorten" and a pen won't.
There is a rather large "debate" on pen vrs. pencil.... i'm a pencil fan myself, because I can correct my mistakes, an erasable ink is very likely to disappear on its own after a few years on paper. :)
LOL and also, I carry a sharpener (knife) and a couple pencils in every vehicle... so in the event of an apocalypse, I can start a fire... well...if I can remember where I put that magnesium fire thing....[/quote]

I dunno about in space, but we have documents here on earth that are 100s of years old and still legible, written with ink
will penciled writing last that long? I could swear I've seen school papers from 10 years ago that are nearly faded to nothing

This is genuine curiosity, am I wrong on this?
I do love the NASA thing, I use it when I think people are over complicating things

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by savskad on 02/23/15 at 08:02:26

Partially relevant :

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/18/mike-rowe-was-asked-if-a-college-degree-should-be-required-for-elected-office-his-educated-response-is-a-breath-of-fresh-air/

I plan on getting at least an associate's degree. I currently have a good job with the City of Austin, so I don't wanna quit to go to school full time. I'm gonna try to just take night classes and work through like that.

I do appreciate the concern, however.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Art Webb on 02/23/15 at 08:19:38

Highly relevant, I'd say
I wonder how many forum members would be surprised to know I never completed 8th grade
I wonder if my boss wishes he'd insisted on a HSD or GED (nope)
get yer school paper, it 'proves' you're 'smart' but always remember, some of the most famous figure in history, and first leaders of our nation, never completed the 8th grade either

I know I've shocked a lot of people (who know I never finished HS but not much else) with what I know, that a lot of graduates don't

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Serowbot on 02/23/15 at 08:29:01

I bet more people are surprised that I did finish the 8th grade... :-/...

I also have 6 years of college...
Where I earned a 2 year degree... :-/...
;D ;D ;D...

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by MnSpring on 02/23/15 at 13:35:46

When ever I go to a Auction, and their is a old box/s of books their, and they go cheep, I buy them.
Read some, collect some, put some in the stove.

Anyway, have several, old, school books.
Mostly grade school, some high school.
and from reading them.

50 + years ago, a 8th grade education,
(for those who wanted to learn),
is BETTER, than, today's, advanced collage degree.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by savskad on 02/23/15 at 14:34:03

495F48554D58554E3A0 wrote:

I bet more people are surprised that I did finish the 8th grade... :-/...

I also have 6 years of college...
Where I earned a 2 year degree... :-/...
;D ;D ;D...

First statement : hahahahaha ;D

Second : that will probably be me at the rate I'm going.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Art Webb on 02/24/15 at 15:18:25

you should give me an option on those older books you don't think will do well at auction, and you don't keep for yourself,MN, I'd be interested to see the difference
I don't have loads of money for actual collectibles, but I might be able to pay a dignified price for some of the 'beaters' and I buy books to read, not collect

I love to learn, when I am interested, and when I'm not, I'm utterly unteachable, my teachers either loved or hated me, sometimes both lol

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by gizzo on 02/24/15 at 17:39:24

46555350424545270 wrote:

I dunno about in space, but we have documents here on earth that are 100s of years old and still legible, written with ink
will penciled writing last that long? I could swear I've seen school papers from 10 years ago that are nearly faded to nothing

This is genuine curiosity, am I wrong on this?
I do love the NASA thing, I use it when I think people are over complicating things

I doubt whether pencil will fade like modern inks can. And the ink fading really depends on the kind of ink used. Some fades in years, others will last for centuries, or longer if properly conserved. We have items in our special collection at work that are over 1000 years old in very good condition. The illuminations are beautiful and full of colour. Most of that age are written on vellum and the inks are mostly solids based not chemical. Rag paper lasts a long time, too.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by Art Webb on 02/24/15 at 17:55:53

I'm not sure if fading was what I meant, though I may have said it that way, but don't penciled documents get blurry to the point of illegibility over time with handling more quickly than even modern inks? good point on how ink is made now vs 100s of years ago, it's definitely not the same animal
I'm just thinking if normal ink is so transient, why is everything done in ink now? not just legal documents, I understand that, you don;t want those erasable, but even school assignments must be done in ink
I thought the point was permanency
Am I off here?

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by gizzo on 02/24/15 at 18:05:03

Sure, pencil can be smudged if you handle it carelessly. So can ink. Some pencil more so than others, think hardness. You're right about the permanence thing, ink can't be erased like pencil can. I guess in school, so the student can't correct their work after the fact and dispute marks given? And on legal documents, it has to be black or blue ink: red won't show up properly on a photocopy. In this days, the ink will probably outlast the acidic, lignin rich junk paper it's printed on anyway.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by gizzo on 02/24/15 at 18:09:27

31233431292326420 wrote:

Also...I for some reason feel I'm not "college-material". (Even though I'm going to college at the moment. Just one class...learning AutoCAD.)

Don't worry about it, man. I did a trade (heavy diesel) and didn't go to university until I was over 30. You have all the time in the world.

Title: Re: Today's Youth
Post by old_rider on 02/25/15 at 01:24:24

2A393F3C2E29294B0 wrote:

[quote author=50535B4D565B5A4D3F0 link=1423878707/30#36 date=1424633753][quote author=57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 link=1423878707/15#26 date=1424231769]My favorite,... American engineers spent like a million dollars designing a pen that would write upside-down for use in space... Russians had the same problem,.. they used a pencil instead...
;D...and it only costs $0.50 a week for the old lady to come and sweep out the capsule.