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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1422823728 Message started by Sterns on 02/01/15 at 12:48:47 |
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Title: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/01/15 at 12:48:47 Went to start the bike and got running with the choke for about 30 seconds, then it died. Tried starting it and time after time, no luck. I got it to run with the throttle pinned back a little, but once I let go it dies. I checked the oil and there was absolutely no oil in the glass window. I filled it up with whatever I had in the garage and I tried starting it again and still the same results. I should kick myself in the ass about not checking the oil at the dealership, but I took their word that the maintenance service was done, like they said. When I held the throttle, I didn't hear any funny noises, so thats a good sign. I did see some smoke from the front of the engine, but that could of been from the oil that dripped on the exhaust. Tank has plenty of gas and I switched the petcock to reserve and no difference. I took a video, but I don't know how to post it. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by pgambr on 02/01/15 at 13:14:22 Can you elaborate what the engine went through or the length of time without oil? How much oil did it need to fill up half the glass. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by oldNslow on 02/01/15 at 13:28:45 Was the bike on the sidestand when you checked the oil window? Oil is supposed to be checked with the bike held straight up. Might be OK. If you filled up the window with the bike leaned over on the sidestand it's likely a bit overfilled now. If you have a stock petcock turn it to "Prime" and see what happens. A malfunctioning vacuum petcock won't work in "reserve" either. What service did you have done at the dealer? |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by verslagen1 on 02/01/15 at 13:51:07 76484945574B4A240 wrote:
If you don't have an owners manual, download a copy out of the tech section, you find a link to the index below. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/01/15 at 17:55:11 The bike wasnt on the stand when i checked the oil, I had it perfectly level. I didn't really pay attention to how much oil I put in, I just filled it until the level had risen in the window. If i had to guess, i'd say about .5 - .75 quarts. I ran the bike for a few minutes before I bought it and then maybe another 30-60 seconds after I bought it. The service thing im talking about is the fee that the dealer charged me to get it "ready" for sale, inspection, oil change, etc for $495. So does this mean I'm entitled to a refund in the service fee? Probably wishful thinking, but I'm definitely going to give them a call tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by verslagen1 on 02/01/15 at 19:38:59 If the oil turned black immediately, then they probably didn't change the oil. any "new" oil is probably not good for the savage. we like old school oil, plenty of zinc and phosphorous (ZDDP) We favor rotella T or T6 if you like synthetic. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by oldNslow on 02/01/15 at 19:59:09 Quote:
I'd definitely call them and see what they have to say about the oil level being a 1/2 quart or so low after they supposedly changed it, and the fact that the bike won't run even though it was was prepped by them for sale, but I'd be a little leery about letting them touch the bike again unless I was satisfied with their response. I gather from your post that you haven't actually ridden the bike yet, just heard it run for a short time. Is that correct? I'm kind of at a loss to offer more advice without more info. Tell us how old the bike is, how many miles are on it, and what kind of dealership you're working with. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/01/15 at 20:07:31 I did ride it. I bought it at a harley dealer and got it up to third gear on their testing grounds. It started right up and ran fine. I bought it a week ago. 1996 11k. I just ordered the raptor petcock and I'll see if that helps. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/01/15 at 20:27:57 Here's a short video I took https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-BToqEM4pM |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by verslagen1 on 02/01/15 at 20:36:41 check the air filter, white or dirty? I know you didn't get it to run, but if that was idle it was too low. check the vac line for gas in it or old and cracked. if it's the original with the wire wrap, most likely old and cracked. you'll need to run it on prime till you get the raptorcock. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by pgambr on 02/01/15 at 21:03:17 664150475B46350 wrote:
When your raptor pet comes in you'll need to get a little rubber cap to cover where the vacuum hose attaches to the carburetor. You can get some at the auto store for a couple bucks. Swapping out the pet is pretty easy. If I were you I would change the oil filter and put in Shell Rotella as V1 already mentioned. Bookmark the technical page from the site here and browse through there. A lot of good info can be found. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by jcstokes on 02/02/15 at 01:42:59 Are you pushing the choke all the way in as soon as it fires? |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Serowbot on 02/02/15 at 10:04:56 A Harley shop may have included a "custom" idle adjustment... setting the idle speed way too low in order to get a more Harley sound... :-/... Make sure your idle speed is set so that the engine runs at a smooth, steady purr... not a loping, chug... (it ain't a Harley... matter of fact, Harley's ain't even Harley's, 'they will self destruct with a too low idle as well)... Start the bike with choke,.. run it for a few minutes to warm up,.. then adjust the off-choke idle speed with the kurled screw near the choke knob, until it will idle smoothly... Too low an idle will ruin your cam journals and tappets... |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/02/15 at 10:07:42 The choke was on every time I tried to start it, including the video. I will check the vac line and adjust the idle. I just finished shoveling my driveway and I'm kaput, so I'll do that tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by pgambr on 02/02/15 at 15:15:55 3B2D3A273F2A273C480 wrote:
Interesting point, your probably right. :-/ |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/04/15 at 09:49:45 Well I think you guys were right about the custom harley adjustment. I checked the hoses and they were good, so I then turned the idle screw 3 times and it started right up. Thanks for all the help. I'm going to install a tachometer. What is a good idle speed? |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/04/15 at 09:52:46 I spoke too soon. I can get it started now and it's pissing gas everywhere. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/04/15 at 10:08:12 The gas that poured out has a black residue in it. I also checked the oil window and that is also black. I pinned the throttle back and held the start button until I got it running. I drove up the street and back. Right when I got to my house it stalled again. Got started again and drove in into the garage. it was idling when I shut it off. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Dave on 02/04/15 at 10:26:39 Black gasoline coming from the carb is not a good sign. I do believe you need to take this motorcycle to someone that is capable and willing to diagnose the problem, and fix it. It would be nice if the place you bought it from would do it - but I am not sure they can be trusted based on what you have told us about them. I have not seen anything in this thread yet that makes me believe you have the ability to diagnose and fix the problem....even with our help. Talk to some folks in your area....find yourself a good mechanic and take your bike there. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/04/15 at 10:41:21 I called harley and they said they would pick the bike up and inspect it. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Gary_in_NJ on 02/04/15 at 10:48:51 More than likely (99% sure) the low oil situation and the lack of running are not related in any way. Work one problem at a time. Is it possible that the fuel that ran from the carb mixed with oil residue on the frame or case and the oil APPEARS to be mixed with the fuel? There are situations where fuel can mix with oil (associated with ring failure) but none that I can think of where oil gets mixed with the fuel in the carb. Dave is probably correct, diagnosis of these issues may be beyond your ability. Rather then throwing parts and money at the bike, bring it to a reputable mechanic and I'm sure it will all be resolved in short order. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/04/15 at 11:05:45 I admit, I have very little mechanical experience and I'm happy that at least harley is doing the right thing and is gonna inspect the bike. there picking it up Tuesday. If this made you guys think I don't have the mechanical ability, I wonder what a disaster the tensioner and head plug will be :o |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/04/15 at 11:32:59 Dude, I talked a guy through changing the lower ball joint on a car. He was an accountant, hadda Borrow all the tools. He didn't own tools, because he had no desire to use tools.Had I not moved away I would have been the guy doing the job. Instead, I was on the phone all day. Point is, if you are willing to Do, you'll Get help. We won't leave you hanging. The tensioner is kinda time consuming, but the skill level required is low.. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/13/15 at 20:19:12 Update: The dealer picked up the bike tuesday. I called them today to see what the deal was and they told me the float was stuck. They pulled the carb, inspected and cleaned, replaced air filter, and changed the oil. They said it was running great and they were waiting to test ride it. I asked them if they did a compression test and they service guy said that they probably did, but would find out and call me. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/13/15 at 21:00:18 I'm impressed with your dealership. Your story is a rare one. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by Sterns on 02/14/15 at 10:22:29 yes, I'm also impressed with their customer service. Other dealers would probably tell me to piss off, but these guys are a good bunch. Maybe they are the few dealers that realize that good customer service translates to more sales because if I'm ever in the market for a Harley, I will be going to them, even though their are much closer harley dealers. |
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Title: Re: No oil and wont idle. I'm not in a good mood! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/14/15 at 11:23:45 you could call them and tell them that you appreciate how they are handling things and tell them that if you ever decide to buy another bike, you'll be looking there first. Even though there are closer places, they have earned your repeat business.. and be a loudmouth, tell others. |
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