SuzukiSavage.com - Print Page

SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
General Category >> The Cafe >> I'm all gassy!
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1422751772

Message started by stinger on 01/31/15 at 16:49:32

Title: I'm all gassy!
Post by stinger on 01/31/15 at 16:49:32

I never thought I would see gas prices ever drop below $3 or $4 again in my life but today I payed $1.75 a gallon and was told that it is going to still drop considerably. Just curious what you are paying and where? Usually Oregon has one of the highest gas prices in the nation. I feel like I should run out and fill every empty container I can find. Pretty nice to fill your 650 tank on less than $4 where last year it took $9 and over.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by ToesNose on 01/31/15 at 18:43:58

Here in Mooresville N.C. we're at $1.99/gallon for regular. With my supermarket gas saver card $1.89/ gallon :)

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Kris01 on 01/31/15 at 19:06:04

Around $1.79 here.

Saw a gas station sign today that read $3.49!!! :o

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 01/31/15 at 22:04:27

1.73 when I bought gas last thursday

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by jcstokes on 01/31/15 at 22:13:56

It's about $NZ1.73 a litre or US quart here, haven't worked out the exchange rate.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Dave on 02/01/15 at 03:21:53

Not sure what is going on in northern KY. About a month ago we dropped below $ 2 - but now it is back up around $ 2.39. If we drive over to OH or Indiana it is just below $ 2.

Kind makes you want to stock up doesn't it? However....the new fuel doesn't store very long, and unless the fuel prices go up in the next few months it won't help. However - it probably is time for me to go stock up on the diesel fuel I use in my tractor...I have a 55 gallon drum I fill from the "Off Road" pump at a local gas station.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by old_rider on 02/01/15 at 05:23:28

Still $2.07 here.... but it did get down to $1.99 last week.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Serowbot on 02/01/15 at 07:34:40

I saw $1.61 the other day, but my tank was full...
Cheapest I've paid was $1.71...

I think my bike is getting resentful of her low maintenance status...
... she's demanding full synth oil now... :-?...

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Steve H on 02/01/15 at 08:42:09

It's between $1.74 and $1.79 here. Been inching back up slowly for the last couple weeks ever since I started hearing crap on the radio about prices bottoming out and max production levels being reached.

Sounds like someone is putting out propoganda to the mass media to try to prop up the prices. The Saudi king who started all this died a couple weeks ago. There is some speculation about what his successor is going to do.

It's about time prices went back down. The Russians have, with very solid science, disproved peak oil and diminishing supplies. There's no reason we should be paying such high prices for toxic waste.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/01/15 at 08:45:24

Enjoy it,, all those good paying oilfield jobs that Were putting money in the economy are playing out. Rigs are being stacked. This is gonna hurt the economy overall.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by EJID on 02/02/15 at 10:13:21

Here in ID, I paid $1.62 on Friday and $1.63 on Sunday. Last time I gassed up the bike I paid $3.11/gal.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by thumperclone on 02/02/15 at 10:21:42

$1.69

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by old_rider on 02/03/15 at 18:57:17

Going back up already... $2.11.....sigh....

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 02/03/15 at 19:07:52

yup

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by anebv8 on 02/03/15 at 20:56:06

ours went up again today $1.82 a litre,guessing thats around $8 a gallon >:( :'(

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by gizzo on 02/04/15 at 03:33:13

99 cents per litre in south Australia the past few weeks.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/04/15 at 08:23:43

That's still more than I've ever paid.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by anebv8 on 02/04/15 at 23:41:35

475D595B5A64554640465D505351340 wrote:

99 cents per litre in south Australia the past few weeks.

not seen it that low in NZ since the early 2000's

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by gizzo on 02/05/15 at 03:59:20

Yeah,was on holidays in UnZud last winter and couldn't help noticing paying over $2/ litre for diesel. Eh, what can you do?

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/05/15 at 06:43:22

Late 60s, gas was 35 cents a gallon. Filled the car up for 6 bucks..
Diesel was less than a DIME.. NOW it's more than gas.

AND, when they Stopped Adding Lead, reducing the cost of each gallon, reducing the number of steps required, eliminating a dangerous element to transport, the price went UP.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 02/05/15 at 19:05:55

They replaced lead with another octane modifier (which some say is even more toxic)
It wasn't just a matter of leaving the lead out

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/05/15 at 20:48:11

Lead wasn't an octane anything, it was a lubricant, impact absorber, for the valves and seats. Show me something to make that wrong and I will change my mind.. but, if you want to run an Old engine on today's Regular, you'll hafta put hard seats in the heads.. As far as I know,that's all there is to the story.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 02/05/15 at 21:23:51

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead

Tetraethyllead (commonly styled tetraethyl lead), abbreviated TEL, is an organolead compound with the formula (CH3CH2)4Pb.

It was mixed with gasoline (petrol) beginning in the 1920s as a patented octane booster that allowed engine compression to be raised substantially, which in turn increased vehicle performance or fuel economy.[1][2] Ethanol was already known as a widely available, inexpensive, low toxicity octane booster, but TEL was promoted because it was uniquely profitable to the patent holders.[3] TEL was phased out starting in the U.S. in the mid-1970s because of its cumulative neurotoxicity, possible lung cancer contributor [1][not in citation given] and its damaging effect on catalytic converters. When present in fuel, TEL is also the main cause of spark plug fouling.[4] TEL is still used as an additive in some grades of aviation gasoline, and in some developing countries.

that's a direct copy / paste
you are correct about running old engines on unleaded without hardened seats, you need the seats or lead, IF you run the engine hard, engines that are treated with respect will run on unleaded even without the hardened seats for a fairlylong time
the addition of lead, however,was for the octane boosting capacity, and the extra power you could make with it via higher compression, the lubrication / impact absorption was just a nice added bonus

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/05/15 at 22:49:27

Okay,thanks,that's informative,, lead held the knocks down And helped the valves and seats,, I remember Regular and Ethyl,, so,did Ethyl have lead And Ethanol?
And what replaced lead?
I remember what old guys who pumped gas had reddish complexion,, either they were alcoholic or the gas did something..

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 02/06/15 at 06:42:27

Likely they were alcoholic, mostly the lead was a problem during formulation and in emissions, IIRC
and yes, I think ethyl had the lead plus ethanol
Lead was replaced with another chemical, I think MTBE is the name, which doesn't react badly with catalytic converters (the real reason we got rid of lead, all other problems aside) which is supposed to be less toxic, as well, though some say it's worse
it does penetrate water tables more easily if there's a spill or leak, but I haven't really studied on it's toxicity levels

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/06/15 at 07:29:59

http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/gas.htm

HA! You,sir, have handed me a tidbit of information I Hope I never forget.
MTBE is not used now, I think,, gotta do more reading.. I think that's what it said, I got excited about the information just BEING there and suddenly, there is more to know about lead.
And maybe they were alcoholics...

Okay,NOW I'm a little unhappy,,, and confused..Blast you Art, it's all YOUR fault.. Why couldn't you just leave me in my blissful ignorance?
Now I'm stuck hunting for information on gasoline from the pre-cataclysmic perverter era. I'm easily getting information on Why to use Regular in engines that don't require premium, but the exact differences between the formulations of todays gas and the pre-converter days just isn't Popping up..
Thanks for the clues,
How is it you were in a position to know that? Just dumb luck? Petroleum engineer? Family members work in a refinery?

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by old_rider on 02/06/15 at 08:38:58

Went up again $2.15 today.....

Are they adding more water to the gas now days?
Was riding behind a newer car yesterday and they stomped on it, I got sprayed like a water hose on mist.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 02/06/15 at 11:46:05

617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:

I hate TV, or more properly I hate typical television programming on most network (i actually like the science channel, discovery before they wen to 'reality' programming, etc.)
Before I discovered the Internet, I was an inveterate reader (to me the net is sort of like a book you can interact with, with real people in it)
In addition I have mild 'ignoring' ADD, which means if a subject interests me I sort of obsess over it
one of my areas of interest is, or was, hot rodding, and I love tech articles (if HRM published a book of nothing but tech Q&A, I would buy it sight unseen)
so I read a LOT of automotive magazines, with a particular focus on old Iron, and that info was seized on by my brain that remembers the static timing for a '57 Chevy with the Rochester mechanical fuel injection 25 years after tuning one ONCE, but refused to memorize such things as multiplication tables lol
So I am full of odd esoterica like this that not many people give a hoot about

obviously you have a similar thing going on, so having something to research is probably making you very happy, grousing aside ;D

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 02/06/15 at 11:48:53

25262E38232E2F384A0 wrote:

Went up again $2.15 today.....

Are they adding more water to the gas now days?
Was riding behind a newer car yesterday and they stomped on it, I got sprayed like a water hose on mist.

condensation in muff or a seriously messed up fuel management system
it don't smell like gas do it?

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by old_rider on 02/07/15 at 09:44:49

Didn't smell anything.... the windscreen took most of the mist...and my glasses....
Not enough to blind me, but enough that I had to clean it off when I got to the house.
Streaked the glasses and the windscreen so I guess there was a little bit of chemical left in the liquid.
But it made me wonder if maybe the oil companies knowing that catalytic converters and fuel systems designed to burn a little better might take some more water also...to fill the volume a bit.
We had a local mom and pop store back home that would "water down" their tanks now and again.
Of course they would blame the fuel company for the "knocking" problems their gas would cause. They eventually went out of the gas business and just kept their restaurant/grocery section.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by Art Webb on 02/07/15 at 12:34:46

Gas and water don't really mix, one sits atop the other (I dismember which) last time I got water with my gas, my car died on the way home
fortunately it restarted after A WHIL
It took me a few times being stranded and the wife insisting on not getting gas at the usual place before I figured it out (didn't die on me unless I got gas at that station)

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by EJID on 03/10/15 at 12:50:49

6C63606D290 wrote:

Here in ID, I paid $1.62 on Friday and $1.63 on Sunday. Last time I gassed up the bike I paid $3.11/gal.

Too bad the prices seem to be creeping back up again... :-/

I was into my reserve this morning... $2.029/gal 2.561 gallons

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by jcstokes on 03/10/15 at 13:36:34

NZ prices seem to be between $NZ 1.92 - .95 per litre which would be about $US5.60 per US GALLON.

Title: Re: I'm all gassy!
Post by old_rider on 03/10/15 at 19:37:45

Went up to $2.42 and back down now to $2.36.... jumpin all over the place here.
I haven't been watching the news so much to see why...