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Title: I think I Need New Tires? Post by stewmills on 01/20/15 at 11:19:24 I checked the tech section and didn't see much on recommendations for tire changes (what the financial pros and cons of doing it yourself versus the stealership are) so here it goes... Facts: - 2008 - ~4000 miles currently - Sat in a barn for about 2 years before I bought it in 2012 with just 400 miles on it. - Original tires So from observing other posts for a couple of years I gather that this probably makes some folks toes curl and they would tell me not to ride this until replaced. I have briefly read and considered buying tires and swapping them myself to avoid getting reamed by the dealership, but I think it's a little more than what I feel comfortable doing myself, plus by the time I have to consider getting them balanced and such after installation I'll have to deal with the knuckleheads anyway. So, if I am considering going the 'stock' route on new tires, will I be better off just buying them at the stealership and letting them do the whole swap, or are there really good deals on tires out there in the interweb (including shipping charges) that I will be better off buying somewhere and just letting them charge me for the swap? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by verslagen1 on 01/20/15 at 11:53:51 You certainly can search 'tires' and get a hundred hits. maybe even a hundred if you select 1 thread each. If this is your 1st rodeo, then I certainly consider a semi-DIY. a strict DIY would be from start to finish. a semi could include removing the wheels, take 'm down to the dealer for them to do the rest. but I'd know what they would charge for the labor, tires and all before hand. 1 thing you need to think about is how many miles you do a year. low mileage, select a low grade tire. High mileage... high grade. Contact some independents as well as a dealer... and pick the best value. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by Serowbot on 01/20/15 at 11:54:16 There's a lot of better choices than the stock tires... In order of price,.. and all good tires... Shinko, Kenda, Dunlop, Pirelli, Metzler... I pay a shop to install... and at least buy the tubes from the installer, that way if they booger the tube they have to replace it... Order a 90' valve stem for the rear... makes air checks much easier... mount to brake side... |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by stewmills on 01/20/15 at 12:21:04 Thanks folks. I know there are lot of threads out there, was just hoping there was a quick reference "chart" or something in the tech section to guide me. I was contemplating the semi, so all I had to do is get them swapped and I can do the wheel takeoff and install. That way they are not charging me labor to bolt the wheels on. I probably only do ~2000 miles/year, at least that's my current average. All in town stuff and just cruising to work, no real windy mountain roads and I don't ride in the rain (unless I was trapped at work). I don't get on the super-slab. Against the wife's rules. So, a notch above stock is probably acceptable to me. I think I'll check with the dealership (and some independents) and see what flavor they have in stock and get some price estimates and share to see if it seems in line with what charges you all experience. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by Serowbot on 01/20/15 at 12:45:05 I do take my own wheels off,... :-?... the 'Semi"... ;D... |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by verslagen1 on 01/20/15 at 13:26:03 can't recommend a full diy for a beginner... not with a tubed tire. even tubeless requires the right tools. everyone should know how to remove their own wheels. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by stewmills on 01/20/15 at 14:23:00 Suzuki dealer: Put me on hold and never answered me back. I get irritated dealing with them every time I am over there or call them and deal with them as little as I can, but will try again just in case they have something on sale, etc. Yamaha dealer: Recommended Michelin Commander II at $170 front and around $200 rear, plus $25/tire mounting if I bring in wheels only, $50/tire mounting if I bring in the whole bike. Will not mount tires they didn't sell. Said he could fine me cheaper tires but gave me the spill about 'we always suggest good tires when it's a motorcycle because it's a motorcycle, it's already dangerous, etc...' Independent: Vague and would not give me specifics, would just tell me that they could do it for around $300 plus price of tubes, and if I brought just the wheels it would be $25/tire to mount the tires. Why don't people like to (a) answer your darn question and (b) give you any details when they do? It's no secret we price shop and can get on the internet and check things out. Just make it competitive and I'll give you my business. I'm about to get irritated and just buy tires online somewhere and take someone (whomever will do it) the wheels and pay $50 or so for mounting and balancing. What's the most respected place (website) for us to get 'average' tires that has competitive prices and shipping rates? |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by prechermike on 01/20/15 at 14:35:19 37302133292D282837440 wrote:
I'm with you Stew, I'm no dummy, well not too big a dummy, you know what I'm doing. Just shoot straight with me and I'll shoot straight with you. I'm still waiting for the guy to call me and tell me my oil filter is in from about 3 months ago. (Never mind, I already ordered three off the internet and changed my oil, but thanks for getting back with me so quickly.) I'd love to have a place around here that I could walk in, ask a question or two, not get a complete rebuild instruction, just a little information. I'd love to have a local place to spend my money, but they seem not to like straight answers. Anyway, I bought my tires from JP cycle, I got Metzlers. I took the wheels off and took them to the shop (yeah, the same one that has ordered my oil filter), and had them install them. It has been long enough ago I can't remember the price, maybe $75, I really can't remember. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by stewmills on 01/20/15 at 14:50:23 Thanks prechermike. I have a lawnmower/small engines shop here that is excellent like that. I have rehabbed several little things like gas trimmers, chainsaws, a little three wheeler, mulcher, my riding and push mowers, etc. and they are always helpful. They know me by face and I can go in and tell them my issue or take a part in there and they tell me the most cost effective way to fix my problem, and sometimes that solution is not to buy parts from them. Some of their retail prices are higher and sometimes I will order things online I don't need in a hurry or don't need their advice on, but if it's something I am not knowingly wasting a lot of money on I try to give them as much business as I can...and I ALWAYS tell them how much I appreciate their honesty, helpfulness, and shooting straight with me. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by verslagen1 on 01/20/15 at 15:22:23 most will give you free shipping over $90 And they don't have to do much to ship, some rap in paper, some don't. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by Dane Allen on 01/20/15 at 15:44:23 Amazon.com - Metzler 880 for the rear - I took the wheel to the dealership and they changed the tire for under $50 (around $38 but I don't recall for sure) Edit: Tire was $158.82 in May - Shipping for Amazon Prime Member. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by Dave on 01/20/15 at 15:52:41 Michelin Commander is a great tire.....as long as you ride a lot of miles and use them up. If you don't ride much there is no good reason to spend that much....as the rubber will get very hard and slippery long before you wear them out. Michelin's are famous for being "Micherocks" if you don't wear them out in 4 years. If you are not riding 4,000-6,000 mile a year you most likely can get a better tire bargain....follow Serowbot's tire guide as he rides a lot and has worn out several sets. Talk to some local bikers in your area and see where they get their tires changed. Sport bike, Touring and Motard guys use up tires fast....see where they get their tires changed (wrong time of year to find them I bet). |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by oldNslow on 01/20/15 at 16:17:55 Stewmills. Probably not a bad idea to find a shop that you can take the wheels and your tires to, if you can find someone who will mount and balance them for a reasonable price - especially if you have never done this before, and if you can find such a place. That said, changing and balancing them yourself is not really all that difficult and is a worthwhile skill to acquire. Here's one guys method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i31hv7t-Ysc I don't bother with the car wheel. I work right on the floor with a big piece of cardboard under the wheel. I also use more lube than this guy does, but mine is in a spray bottle and it's mostly water, with just enough dish soap in it to make it slippery. There are are a lot of other videos besides this one. I'd suggest watching a few before deciding you don't want to tackle the job yourself. balancing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2AuivYzaBs Ignore the music ;) This explains the basic technique pretty well. You can balance the front wheel on the bike. Just back off the brake pads so that the wheel can spin freely. For the rear you'll need to rig up some kind of stand to rest the axle on. I use a couple of plastic folding sawhorses that have V blocks on the ends. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/15 at 16:24:24 Just take your time, take a ride, roll in, hit the parts counter, shoot the breeze,get a tire quote, plus mount and balance, Then, what's the mount and balance if you bring your new tires not bought from them. You don't want to let them pull the wheels... way too much money.. Just haul one wheel at a time... unless you're able to pull both. I just never had the stuff to get mine in a stable Hover.. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by stewmills on 01/21/15 at 11:52:00 Update: Suzuki Dealer - Went up there and they would do factory Dunlops for about $315 with the wheels off the bike and they supply the tire (that includes $20 install fee per tire) and I he commented that that's not including tubes if it needs new ones. If I supply the tire and wheel, it's $69 install fee per tire. I can order the Dunlops for $197 shipped, but adding $138 for install brings me to $335. They of course have the math already figures out for their benefit. They weren't busy and they were pretty nice today, but when they are busy they are not easy to deal with. Independent - Guy just doesn't seem interested in encouraging me to do business with him (talks like its a chore to even pick up the phone) but said he would install for $35 each if I supply the tires and wheels are off the bike, but recommends new tubes at $31 for both. So $197 tires plus $31 tubes plus $70 install fee is $298. Saving a little but still dealing with Mr. Grumpy. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/21/15 at 21:00:56 Go shopping for tubes,$31.00??? Gimme a break... Consider rim wraps,too. You need to be there,see what's done and how... Crappy attitudes don't give me confidence in quality. IDK what materials are used, are tubes pvc or rubber? Is he selling pvc and charging for rubber? A guy stripped the rim strip off mine and ran duct tape... cheap,effective. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by zipidachimp on 01/21/15 at 21:21:10 Funny(?) experience from 45 years ago: took 2 wheels from my ducati 250 roadracer to a dealer to get new tires, tubes installed. The shop mechanic was on duty at the sales counter after supper. After my request, he blew up and almost had a coronary, saying if I wanted to race, I better learn how to do stuff myself. Left his shop with 2 tire irons and a red face, tail between my legs! Haha, stuff you never forget! ;D |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/21/15 at 21:28:37 Well, I've been a roughneck, sledgehammer swinging, ditch digging, stout dude, years ago, but, peeling off the Rear tire? NO, front, I can get that,, or,could,before the shoulders went.A healthy guy can.. but the Rear is just mean. |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by stewmills on 01/22/15 at 08:58:31 When I put my wheels back on, should I expect to need to re-grease the hub/bearings, and if so, what flavor of axle grease is acceptable? |
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Title: Re: I think I Need New Tires? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/15 at 10:19:58 Bearings are sealed. You might want to clean and lube where rubber seal lips ride. Any CLEANING on a spacer should be Around and not down the length, don't create lines that would not go with the path of the spacer/seal contact. |
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