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Message started by Serowbot on 01/18/15 at 23:34:15

Title: The Savage animal...
Post by Serowbot on 01/18/15 at 23:34:15

Let's play a game...
Let's categorize bikes by their animal counterparts... (based on power characteristics, and comparative size)...
I'll start...

Aprilia RS 50cc.... an angry bee...
Ninja 250... a rabid chipmunk...
Suzuki DR350... a bird dog...
Yamaha RD360.... a jackrabbit...
Yamaha SR500... a deer...
Harley Sportster,... a pitbull...
Triumph Tiger...  a tiger (of course)...(Triumph don't exaggerate)...
Ducati 996... a cheetah...
Broughs Superior... T-Rex... ;D...
BMW r1200 GS .... a rhino...
Hayabusa,...  a peregrine Falcon... (literal)...

a Savage?...  
... a warthog?... :-/...

??? any other entries or suggestions?...
... every bike known to man must have an animal equivalent?... :-?...

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/15 at 00:45:16

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=a10+warthog+pictures&id=089AB62BAA2662B749CDD5920AFF5981FD33DB91&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=B130083AACA2610EDB79EC123F8AF85E5FEC4ED7&selectedIndex=4


Yeah,Aaaand?

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by stinger on 01/19/15 at 02:43:57

At least he didn't call our bikes girl thingy cats

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by stinger on 01/19/15 at 02:46:23

Wow!  I typed that at least he did not call our bikes pu**y cats!  And that is what posts

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by stinger on 01/19/15 at 02:47:40

I'd call any Harley, a Junk Yard Dog!

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by Dave on 01/19/15 at 04:40:47

I would say that maybe our bike is the "Phoenix".

A lot of them have been dead, and risen back up from the Ashes when the new owners breath new life into them.



Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/15 at 06:31:50

Yeah,Stinger, once upon a time Petcock came out weird. We saw some odd ways to refer to them.

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by LANCER on 01/19/15 at 07:02:32

I like the warthog.  That is a pretty freaking tough critter.
This bike may snort and lurch at times too, but it is pretty tough as well.

Going back to the link above:

This is the main gun on that aircraft; that does not include any of the other weapons that can be hung on the 8 wing and 3 fuselage stations.  30mm 7 barrel cannon ... mmm mmm mmm.
http://morganzilla.com/wp-content/uploads/pics/Main-Gun-of-an-A10-Warthog2.jpg

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608035698734990171&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0
http://todo-aviones.com.ar/usa/a10/a10nellis.jpg

http://www.iairforce.com/sites/webfiles/aircraft/A-10/A-10-Armament-001g.jpg



YOU DO NOT WANT THIS AIRCRAFT HUNTING FOR YOU WITH ILL INTENT.



Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/15 at 07:31:46

WOW!  I knew they were some bad mo dees, and called Tank Killers, but I didn't even have a Clue that they were basically built around a huge canon.
I've been at a target range and seen 20mm shells fired. The sound of the guns, followed by the sound of the brass,spinning,tumbling,as it falls..
How cool would 30mm be?
Yeah, call the bike a warthog, it's got more than meets the eye, it's tough.

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by Serowbot on 01/19/15 at 07:56:54

...a what?...
http://cdn-1.itsnature.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/warthog.jpg

Why we don't race Ducati's...
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01618/leopard-warthog_1618883i.jpg

...or,... MV Agusta's...
http://blog.africageographic.com/africa-geographic-blog/files/2014/04/lion-and-warthog.jpg

Still,... warthog's are pretty cool...

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by LANCER on 01/19/15 at 11:27:36

In your 2nd photo that Warthog is putting the lion on his butt !

Just imagine those 30mm monsters flying out of that cannon at the rate of about 10/sec (600 rounds/min) ... that's my guess, I could not find a quote on the rate of fire.  That's going to eat up just about anything.

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by pgambr on 01/19/15 at 20:05:12


606D626F697E3E3B0C0 wrote:
I like the warthog.

This is the main gun on that aircraft

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608035698734990171&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0


Does that thing really use the same round as the one with the picture of the shell in that guy's hands?  Can you imagine what that would do to the intended target?   :-/

Best regards,

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by Art Webb on 01/19/15 at 20:49:06

yup, the A-10 is a ground attack plane, it'll kill most anything it sets out to kill: tanks, troops, cities, .......
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=B211US662D20141211&p=30mm+cannao+firing
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=B211US662D20141211&p=30mm+cannao+firing

the BRRRRP is the 30
https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=B211US662D20141211&p=30mm+cannao+firing

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by Oldfeller on 01/19/15 at 21:31:07

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130314024205/battlepirates/images/c/c1/Depleted_Uranium_Shells_III.png

Yes, that is the shell, but the round is most often used is an aluminum sabot wrapped around a depleted uranium dart.

The warthog can fire that 10 rounds a second right through the side and top armor of any existing tank up through the very thickest very most modern heavy ceramic composite armored tanks of the very most modern armies.

A-10s ate all the old Russian armor for lunch using just the plain uranium penetrators.   It can fire special rounds now for the new modern army stuff (classified of course).    

:D

We don't often discuss what we plan to do when we have to start shooting our own tanks or our allies tanks .....

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by pgambr on 01/20/15 at 04:45:07


56757D7F7C75757C6B190 wrote:
Yes, that is the shell, but the round is most often used is an aluminum sabot wrapped around a depleted uranium dart.


Wow, I don't know what depleted uranium does; although, I suspect it hardens the projectile.

I thought the nickname for my other bike which is KLR dual sport is pretty good.  They refer to it as the "Tractor"; but, I think the "Warthog" is more descriptive and appropriate.

Best regards,

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/15 at 07:10:28

Moto Guzzi,,, ditch pump motor.
Man, they sound so good...

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by verslagen1 on 01/20/15 at 07:11:16


7067616D6272000 wrote:
[quote author=56757D7F7C75757C6B190 link=1421652855/0#13 date=1421731867]
Yes, that is the shell, but the round is most often used is an aluminum sabot wrapped around a depleted uranium dart.


Wow, I don't know what depleted uranium does; although, I suspect it hardens the projectile.
[/quote]
heavier than lead, harder than steel, sharper than a porcupine quill.

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by MMRanch on 01/20/15 at 07:16:49

WARTHOG  is good !  8-)

Not fast ; but gets by just fine . ;)
Simple and efficient design .  ;)
Reliable day in and day out .  ;)
and
Does what it was designed to do really good !  8-)

I used to have a compound bow named  "The WartHog"  , it was the same way , short and stout.

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by Art Webb on 01/20/15 at 18:50:13


253234383727550 wrote:
[quote author=56757D7F7C75757C6B190 link=1421652855/0#13 date=1421731867]
Yes, that is the shell, but the round is most often used is an aluminum sabot wrapped around a depleted uranium dart.


Wow, I don't know what depleted uranium does; although, I suspect it hardens the projectile.

I thought the nickname for my other bike which is KLR dual sport is pretty good.  They refer to it as the "Tractor"; but, I think the "Warthog" is more descriptive and appropriate.

Best regards,
[/quote]

Hmm, let's see
Old tech...check
Not the fastest (top speed wise)...check
Tough and easy to work on....check
Inexpensive to buy and operate...check
Sounds like a match to me :)

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by ToesNose on 01/21/15 at 04:07:50

Here's a good ANIMAL!


Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by Art Webb on 01/21/15 at 19:11:07

;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/15 at 11:11:03

:(Stumbled upon this article, details on the gun and I didn't know they stopped making them in 84,,,
Every landing takes a toll, some more than others, I'd guess. I Really had a fondness for the
T 37 and got to see the A37 at the practice range and saw one land gear up on a foamed runway. Dude put it down beautifully. Cessna,I believe, designed intending to sell it as a business jet. It Looks inviting and easy to fly.
 A10, OTOH, looks like a flying weapons delivery system, which it is.
A37,all dressed up and ready to fight is obviously no Party Favor, but it's not like the A10,, a 30 mm canon with wings, to send the message,and bombs, for making the point clear, should there be any confusion.




plane is not as fast and lacks the graceful lines of other fighter jets. But the Warthog, as pilots call it due to the snout-like nose, is extremely low maintenance, flies low, can practically hover over a battlefield, land almost anywhere and packs a 20-foot-long, 2.5-ton, seven-barrel Gatling gun that can fire more than 1,100 rounds of 30-mm. bullets. And a titanium shell that wraps around the bottom of its cockpit makes it difficult to shoot down.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=t+37+cessna+dragonfly+pictures&id=851AEBE712EC330F55DAF457F0739180048C07E5&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=851AEBE712EC330F55DAF457F0739180048C07E5&selectedIndex=0

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by Pine on 01/22/15 at 11:16:22

So my current bike: Yamaha Classic 1100


would be .... Panda

Kinda roly-poly not so aggressive but nice and comfy


let me know when you find a bike - Honey Badger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb6bWsa_LdQ

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by GridMonkey on 01/22/15 at 22:43:36

Hey guys, former weapons troop in the USAf here, i worked F-15s not A-10s but bad ass planes all the same. Your guestimate of 400 rounds per minute is... a bit low :) The GAU-8 cannon on the A-10 shoots either 2100 or 4200 rounds per minute... yep... only holds 1300 rounds though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4

There has been some stories that at a slow enough flight speed prolonged gun bursts can cause the plane to "fly" backwards. Also, one of the most survivable air frame in the arsenal. It can take a bunch of damage and keep flying.

Our bikes don't quite have the brraaaap that those guys do but i bet otherwise they are pretty tough( not going to lay one down on purpose to find out though.)

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by jcstokes on 01/22/15 at 23:51:44

GridMonkey, how vulnerable to fighter type aircraft would this Warthog/A10 thing be? Could it defend itself, or is it reliant on other aircraft?

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by GridMonkey on 01/23/15 at 11:51:42

In terms of air combat defense it has standard counter measures, chaff/flare to counter guided missiles, it can carry Air to Air missiles but its just not as fast or as maneuverable as most fighters at dog fighting combat speeds, though "top gun" combat rarely ever happens these days. It would need air support most times as it's job is ground support.

It can fly after losing half a wing and half its tail controls, a single engine, and total hydraulic system failure though.

Also looks like they changed the gun rate to a set 3900 rounds per minute since i got out. still... never something you want to be in front of.

In my opinion there is no other aircraft on the planet that does what this thing does. There is plenty of info on it, its mostly declassified, except for some newer computer/targeting upgrades and such that are getting placed in it.

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by pgambr on 01/23/15 at 15:26:50

I suppose they would go in with cover on both sides and UNLOAD them big shells.  I bet it would truly be something to see and hear.  Are they retiring them because they have drones to do the a lot of the dirty work?

Best regards,

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/15 at 18:17:33

They are 30 years old. Antique Technology. It's a purpose built,close support, tank killing,bunker busting MoSheen,, just how able to dogfight it is, IDK.  I Think, and by that I mean,based on what little I have read and heard, I Think that modern fighters are designed to fight at more long range. Now,you get that 30mm pointed across someone's bow and pull the trigger,, well, nothing is gonna handle that...
Anyway, apparently they are okay, they can be allowed outta the house without a Big Brother, I don't hear about how many are getting blown outta the sky..
For me, I like them, because they Aren't the prettiest, they are OLD Technology, YET they are still effective... in some respects, unsurpassed.
Like our Savage.

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by verslagen1 on 01/23/15 at 20:15:34

any thing current can't keep in the same sky for more then a few seconds so getting some space to shoot aint hard... of course by the time you turn around its got that big gun pointing at you again... not sumtin I want to play chicken with.   :-?

and if you could carry a big enough gun all you need is a bike to keep up with it.   8-)

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by GridMonkey on 01/24/15 at 23:09:24

Yep, and i mean, we can have that gau-8 feeling.... http://tailgunnerexhaust.com/?product_cat=4-universal


:)

Title: Re: The Savage animal...
Post by koehlerrk on 01/25/15 at 16:24:57


43504746595452505B04350 wrote:
[quote author=7067616D6272000 link=1421652855/0#14 date=1421757907][quote author=56757D7F7C75757C6B190 link=1421652855/0#13 date=1421731867]
Yes, that is the shell, but the round is most often used is an aluminum sabot wrapped around a depleted uranium dart.


Wow, I don't know what depleted uranium does; although, I suspect it hardens the projectile.
[/quote]
heavier than lead, harder than steel, sharper than a porcupine quill.[/quote]

Denser than lead, yes. Harder than steel, no. Sharp? Not even close... best nose shape is a 60 degree cone.

However, it's cheap, way cheaper than tungsten, and the US government has tons of the stuff left over from enriching U235 to fuel reactors to make plutonium to make bombs.

It also has the added feature of being pyrophoric... ie, when exposed to extreme heat and pressure, it ignites, which helps burn through tank armor.

So, cheap, dense, and creates it's own fireball inside an enemy tank... what's not to love?

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