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Message started by Kris01 on 12/05/14 at 15:36:01

Title: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Kris01 on 12/05/14 at 15:36:01

I finally found a great deal on a replacement turn signal after I smashed it accidentally in the garage with a 2x4. Now the problem is I can't remove the screw holding the old one on. I just need to remove the screw on the bottom and it comes right off, right? I've tried a large Phillips screwdriver and an impact driver. No dice. How do you get WD40 to flow uphill into the threads? :D Any other ideas?

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by jcstokes on 12/05/14 at 15:48:47

Is the cross for the Phillips still ok or is it mangled? If it isn't mangled I can only suggest you get the longest screwdriver you can, preferably of the correct head for the screw, Phillips and JASO are different. If the screwdriver shank is square put a crescent near the handle, put as much weight as you can on the handle and turn the crescent. If the screwdriver shank is round, use visegrips.

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Demin on 12/05/14 at 16:34:04

Or go to your local tool/hardware store and get a Phillips head in a socket so you can put a ratchet on it.Get the large one.A #3 I think.
Also try tightening it just a little bit.It will break it loose sometimes.Then loosen it.

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/14 at 20:25:23

It's not a True Phillips... grind the tip till the X fills the slots.

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Kris01 on 12/07/14 at 10:18:11

JOG, that was my next step. I might even try soldering or gluing the screwdriver to the screw. :o

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by arteacher on 12/07/14 at 11:15:11

Solder or glue won't be strong enough, and a JASO screwdriver will make all the difference.

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Kris01 on 12/07/14 at 16:13:05

Anyone sell them online for less than a small fortune?

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Yoshi on 12/07/14 at 17:04:29

Google Vessel tool for the best JIS screwdrivers

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/14 at 21:55:59

I've fought that fight. Couldn't understand Why my impact#2 Phillips would not get it.. Got down,looked up, SAW, applied bench grinder, test fit, nope, more grinder, X fills the slots, Hit it,,

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by KennyG on 12/08/14 at 06:07:55

The JIS (Japanese Industrial Screw) screw drivers are available from:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#jis-(japanese-industrial-standard)-screwdrivers/=uxmrb9

If you are going to own Japanese equipment, especially motorcycle carburetors, this is the best investment in tools you will ever make. The smaller drivers also fit Japanese electronics such as smart phones.

I have had my set of JIS drivers since 1972 and they are still perfect because they fit the screws perfectly.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Dave on 12/08/14 at 09:15:15

I book marked this a long time ago....I still haven't made the purchase.

http://www.jdvproducts.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/screwdriver-sets/motorcycle-repair-kit/flypage.tpl.html

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by KennyG on 12/08/14 at 17:35:53

Dave,

I have been preaching my sermon on Japanese Industrial Standard screws and screwdrivers for over 40 years. The only way a guy can really work on Japanese carburetors is with a vice grip or JIS screw drivers.

The 1973 Norton that I rode for thirty years was modified to use one 50 or 60mm Mikuni carburetor and when sold the Norton the original screws were still in the carb.

Most of European cabinet hinges use the JIS fasteners.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Dave on 12/09/14 at 05:16:09

Yea, I have often dreaded the fact that whenever I have to remove the factory fasteners - the heads are often distorted from using the Phillips screwdrivers in the JIS fasteners. The #3 seem to come out OK - but the #2 size doesn't fit well. My impact driver bits fit well and are most likely JIS - but my screwdrivers just don't fit well. When I did my Cafe' bike I used a lot of stainless allen head screws to avoid the Phillips/JIS experience.

I went ahead and bought a Vessel set off eBay. It was expensive - but the set includes 2 stubby screwdrivers, along with a #3 impact driver that sells for $ 24.95 alone. You can get the smaller sets much cheaper, and I should have done this years ago.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-ATV-Tuner-Tools-Vessel-Screwdriver-8-Piece-Set-for-All-JIS-Japanese-/181471340860?

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by KennyG on 12/09/14 at 06:32:42

Dave,

As expensive as that set of screwdrivers is it is a worthwhile investment and it will last the rest of your life.

I too replace as many fasteners as I can with stainless steel Allen head screws when ever I take anything apart. We have a really great fastener wholesaler in Denton, TX, and yesterday when I was there I took along a printout of the Mikuni carburetor shown here on the website and they had all the sizes shown on the drawing.

Even though I have the tools to use the JIS fasteners I still like to put a bike back together with Allen screws because I can carry all the wrenches for Allen screws in my tool kit.

Kenny G

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/09/14 at 17:43:40

I don't know what else to say,, I had the same problem.. I spent some time with the grinder and won it without a trip to town.

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Kris01 on 12/09/14 at 17:47:35

Hmmm, Allen screws! Great idea!

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Dave on 12/12/14 at 04:46:48

I got my new JIS Screwdriver set yesterday...it looks great. In retrospect I would have saved a few dollars by not buying the flat blade screwdrivers as there doesn't seem to be any difference in those.

I have learned that the JIS screws are marked with a DOT stamped into the head. If you buy metric screws at a local hardware store to use on your bike, chances are that they may be Phillips head with metric threads.

Here is what the markings look like on JIS screws.....a punched dot.

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by Art Webb on 12/12/14 at 07:53:36

I wonder if that dot was there all along, or if that's a new thing, never noticed it on my mostly older bikes
then again, never noticed it on newer bikes, either

Title: Re: Replacing front turn signal
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/14/14 at 08:57:50

and the shallow flat spot in the middle of the X is obvious to the eye.
I Have stumbled on and acquired JIS,, I think some sewing machine came with some,, but, a good Philips and some time on the grinder,, Bingo,, I Usually work with the magnetic, replaceable tip type, so, if I mess up,, I can toss it. An empty mink oil tin of phillips heads,, 1's and 2's.. meeeeeh,, no sweat.. The Harbor Freight hand held impact Np Longer comes with that long skinny tip that SO perfectly got the screws Down In Yonder, I dont think,, BUT, anyone looking to Tool Up Needs one of those. And dont be afraid to take it apart and clean up and lube the ramps.