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Message started by WebsterMark on 10/10/14 at 15:58:06

Title: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/10/14 at 15:58:06

Well, apparently the word among the "protesters" aka rioters, is St. Louis is the place to be this weekend. If you see a big column of smoke rising over the nation, it might be St, Lou.....

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by Kris01 on 10/10/14 at 16:03:35

Here we go again with more insinuations of racism! The self-appointed black "leaders" will be there stirring up trouble again. If they want to lead then how about teaching peace and respect for the law and other citizens.

A kid pulls a gun on a cop and shoots twice and the cop fires back until the threat is eliminated. This is how they are trained. Racist? I think not! If there's a bullet flying at me, I don't stop to ask what color is the shooter. I'll just empty the clip back at the shooter... Whatever race he may be.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/10/14 at 17:21:59

Well,I've been hearing for days it's supposed to get crazy there this weekend... I didn't know riots could be"forecasted",,

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by oldNslow on 10/10/14 at 18:10:31

554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:

Well,I've been hearing for days it's supposed to get crazy there this weekend... I didn't know riots could be"forecasted",,

Well, they can certainly be orchestrated.Kind of spontaneously ahead of time ::)

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by raydawg on 10/11/14 at 08:35:25

Gee webby, it appears your reasoning is kinda akin to that of the anti-gun zealots.......

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/11/14 at 09:21:27

Reasoning? I didnt see him say anything that indicated an opinion of any sort regarding guns, at least, not on this page,, & I dont remember Marks gun position,,

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by raydawg on 10/11/14 at 10:39:28

3A252324393E0F3F0F37252962500 wrote:

Reasoning? I didnt see him say anything that indicated an opinion of any sort regarding guns, at least, not on this page,, & I dont remember Marks gun position,,

Well JOG, i will go out on a limb and assume his positioning on the subject posted.

Before I do I know he will disclaim it as geography being the only "reason" of his interest in the matter.........

And furthermore, I bet he believes that as gospel truth.

But to broach this race subject in suppositions of possibilities according to rumors, or chance, is prejudiced at best, or coveted racism at worst.

This is why i used the anti-gun mindset as example......

Yes, guns do kill, but not by themselves, and to attack a gun as the problem and thus fix, is to misplace priorities for personal "reasons"

Not sure if that helps, but that's my story (headline) and I is sticking to it ;D

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/11/14 at 13:00:34

Again,I'd use my proximity to SEE if there are people coming in,just to "protest".. Mark could call a few of the low rent type motels and see if they are doing more business This weekend than is typical for this time of year,are there any conventions or concerts,etc,that would justify the increase,and,Who are the people. .. Not names, of course,but are they predominately white or other?

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by MnSpring on 10/11/14 at 18:51:35

I believe, the, ‘problem’ of ‘RIOTS’ are,
One group of people, are told over and over and over again,
They, have, SPECIAL, ‘rights’.
Above the, rights of, “All Men Created Equal”.

And, they believe, (Because they have been told, over and over),
That the, ’sins’, of a people/person, shall be the, ’sins’, of their Sons/Daughters, and their, Sons/Daughters, and their, Sons/Daughters, and their, Sons/Daughters. etc.

And if we are talking about, people with the skin color of black.
Get OVER IT !!!!!!!!!!!
You are a Citizen, (at least most), of a Country were:
”All Men (sig women) are Created Equal”

ACT LIKE IT !!!!!!!

We are ALL, in this together.
NEVER MIND, the, ‘Color’ of skin.
NEVER MIND, the, country of your birth.
NEVER MIND, your job,
(Whether it be a Police man/woman, or a high level Politician, or someone on Welfare)

No One, has, "SPECIAL RIGHTS”, we are all in this together !

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by MnSpring on 10/11/14 at 19:08:15

If a, ‘cop’,
expects you to do something contrary to the law.

If a, ‘person of, a certain color’,
expects you to do something contrary to the law.

If a, ‘person of, a certain, background’,
expects you to do something contrary to the law.

If a, ‘person of, a certain position’,
expects you to do something contrary to the law.

They are ALL WRONG.

Don’t like, ’that’, law?

Change IT. It IS, in YOUR power to do so !!!!

(Well of course, unless the TV Re-runs, and Pizza, get in the way)

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/14 at 05:52:50

46554D50554353340 wrote:

Gee webby, it appears your reasoning is kinda akin to that of the anti-gun zealots.......

huh?.....

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/14 at 05:59:00

But to broach this race subject in suppositions of possibilities according to rumors, or chance, is prejudiced at best, or coveted racism at worst.

oh.... I get it now. You are one of those people comfortable labeling someone racist if they mention a topic involving African Americans in any manner other than appeasing.

Pretty shallow reasoning there ray.... seems like someone was determined to pick a fight and grab at the first opportunity. Probably should have waited a bit longer ray before you brought out your racism card and dropped it on the table. I think you overplayed your hand.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by raydawg on 10/12/14 at 07:48:48

784A4D5C5B4A5D624E5D442F0 wrote:

No, I believe you missed my point.
I have absolutely no qualms about calling Al Sharpton an opportunistic pimp, only interested in furthering his welfare through whatever means fits his need.

My point was in thinking a "riot" would manifest itself before the fact, only because some folk wanted to stage their feelings on Black - Law enforcement relations.

I don't believe you have the capacity to understand what I am saying or how this mindset adds to the factions, that then allows pukes like Sharpton to capitalize upon it.

I goggled a local newspaper there and this is what I found.....

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/eddy-haskell022/635485828730109643-AP-APTOPIX-POLICE-SHOOTING-MISSOURI-67928370_zpsb3824f3a.jpg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/eddy-haskell/media/eddy-haskell022/635485828730109643-AP-APTOPIX-POLICE-SHOOTING-MISSOURI-67928370_zpsb3824f3a.jpg.html)

Seems pretty harmless to me :-*

Edit: Pick a fight?
Is this not called a discussion board?
Do you take opposition and label them as such to minimize them,
or perhaps you take opposing opines as a personal affront?

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/14 at 08:02:19

You have a,great opportunity,Mark. You know the area. A few calls and you can Know so much about what is going on..

And what Is going on? Any "news worthy" stuff?

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/14 at 10:28:50

Jog, there are 3 million people in the St. Louis area. There's no such thing as calling a few hotels.

If you want to know what's going on, go on twitter and search out #fergusonoctober. You'll find out what the masses are saying and what the papers won't print.

Ray, you'll find out why I and everyone hare worry about what's coming next.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/12/14 at 17:15:20

162423323524330C20332A410 wrote:

Really> ? Cant call 3 mangy motels? Is Ferguson NOT a town? Are there no motels THERE?

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/12/14 at 19:13:58

Jog, buddy.... I don't need to call hotels to find out out of towners came to St. Louis for the weekend. Read twitter.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by old_rider on 10/12/14 at 21:20:47

A quote from a yahoo news story (Reuters)
"Union members, gay rights activists and people from the Occupy movement joined in. Civil rights organizations and protest groups had invited people from across the United States to join vigils and other weekend events in the St. Louis area."

They are actually busing people into the Saint Louis area.... :(

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/13/14 at 05:20:05

Thankfully, it's been raining for the better part of 3 days straight and more today.
Today had been set aside as a day of "civil disobedience" Our local piece of $hit newspaper even published this like it's just another event on the calendar.

"Thunderstorms likely today with a low of 58 and a high of 75. It's Columbus Day so banks and many schools will be closed. Oh, and it's civil disobedience day where you get to interrupt traffic and Monday Night Football in honor of one thug who robbed a store and punched a cop. A two for one special today as we're also going to march in honor of a second thug, awaiting trial on a gun possession charge who shot three times at a cop with a stolen gun. So grab your umbrellas kiddies cause you're gonna get wet stopping traffic this morning....."

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/13/14 at 09:23:37

695B5C4D4A5B4C735F4C553E0 wrote:

Jog, buddy.... I don't need to call hotels to find out out of towners came to St. Louis for the weekend. Read twitter.

I woulkdnt have a clue how to ttwit,,
I didnt want YOU to learn For You,, I wanted a report

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/13/14 at 10:40:12

you don't need to learn for me. I learn for myself. This is your 9/11 problem. you just listen to a few crazy websites and don't do any work for yourself.

figure out how to get on twitter. shouldn't be too hard for a guy so smart he's one of the only few who can figure out how everything's connected....

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by MnSpring on 10/13/14 at 13:56:17

I have often wondered, in a ‘protest’, (any protest, by anybody).

Were do all the different, protesters, come up with, or get, all the different signs?
Not the ones, crudely painted on cardboard, but the fancy printed ones?

Is their some central, ’shopping’, place ?
“OK I’ll take one of them, and two of those, and throw in one of that”.

Does a group, get together and make, (have made), something they like, then pass them out to only ’that’, group.?.

Does a group, pass them out and say,
“OK, you get these, and you say this, and go over their”,
“Now you get those, and you say that, and go over here”. ?

Do people make their own, (at home, perhaps on the computer),
then get on a buss or a plane, or a friends car, and take them with?

And, Who Pays for them ????

Or is it like your school district, when they want more money,
(to pay for a new assistant, for the assistant, to the assistant , assistants secretary)
And then, ’suddenly’, these professionally made signs pop up all over,
and their are 3-4 bulk mailings, and their are adds in the local newspapers.
“Vote YES, on XXXXX”. (Which happens every two years)

Gee, No one knows, where the money for those signs, etc, comes from either. ;)

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by old_rider on 10/13/14 at 18:38:28

Local councilmen, clergy, political groups..... they fund raise all year and have surplus money in accounts, unmarked of course.
They go to a local graphics shop and say "we need X amount of signs that say, hands up don't shoot"
Graphics company don't care...they are making money, make it look good and local joe will come buy one too.

We had groups that wore camo uniform looking outfits and had signs saying "wounded warrior", it didn't say wounded warrior project, they left out the project so as not to use a legal charity.
Anyway, come to find out they were just a group of guys making money traveling the US, didn't even have a permit. If anyone catches them, they are usually just told to leave, if they get a ticket, it is usually about $100 and they pay it and move on to the next town.
Easy to make money to do the sign thing....

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/14 at 08:23:37

734146575041566945564F240 wrote:

Ypu dont read so well do you? I wanted YOU to give US a report, since YOU LIVE RIGHT THERE..

My talents are what they are,, Im not interested in learning the tech stuff,, I analyze things,I fix things and build things,, Im not good at tech.. Maybe you are,,

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 10/22/14 at 17:57:16

I'm outta town tonight and it looks like the $hit is hitting the fan.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by old_rider on 10/22/14 at 21:27:06

Why you ask? is the shite hitting the fan? Because the autopsy report is leaning toward the officers side.... gun residue on Michael's hand.... and the crowds know that they are supporting a lost cause, they KNOW he was guilty.
But its Thug life you know....
Just like the senator that was there in the street, she knew her rights, she had alcohol on her breath (in two officers reports), and was carrying a concealed weapon (with no CCW ON HER) and did not notify officers at the scene.
She outright called the officers liars and said she wasn't drunk (maybe true, but she was "under the influence") and refused a breathalizer (knowing it would have shown she was under the influence), and she always carries (but forgot her CCW card, which you HAVE to carry with you if you are armed, and you cannot be under the influence of alcohol while carrying).
As long as this attitude is "accepted" by the general populous in the area, and as long as folks put up with the riots....errr....protests, it will never change.
Has anyone got a "realistic" answer to the problem, no.... attitudes have to change first.... the forestry division is right with the signs placed at the entrance to all parks ...
"Do not feed the animals, they will become dependent on handouts and could prove dangerous"
I'm done....

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by drharveys - FSO on 11/20/14 at 19:17:41

OK, I'm gonna add my two cents worth:

First off, the late Michael Brown appears to be the victim of his own actions. He was a young dumb guy who will not have the opportunity to outgrow his youthful stupidity.

Secondly, the time, manner, location of his death, along with the leaving of his body unattended in the middle of the street for several hours brought out feelings of resentment in much of the local Black community. Ferguson, along with many other micro-suburbs, has adopted predatory police and court tactics to balance their municipal budgets in the face of declining property tax revenues.

The locals, by and large, have protested peacefully. There have been opportunists coming in mostly from surrounding communities to capitalize on a chance to loot.

The outpouring of racist sentiment from the White community has been despicable. And yes, comparing underemployed people to animals is racist. (And an inaccurate comparison: Animals hunt and forage for food -- accustoming them to human contact is dangerous and should be discouraged. But even the park service delivers hay and fodder to the elk and bison during severe winters.)

I don't know what the answer to our current situation is -- but I'm pretty sure that animosity and racism are not going to improve it.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/14 at 20:31:54

I believe they HAD the evidence to Prove that the cop was not wrong from day one and suppressed it. Wait and see.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by raydawg on 11/21/14 at 16:40:14

Well I am thankful it was Holder, Obama, and a democrat gov who are taking precautions.

I can't help but think about the "what if" they were a white AG, Bush, and a repub gov instead.....you know the mainstream media, NCAAP, etc would be calling them, uh....., gee, the word seems to have escaped me :D

And finally, if there is rioting, etc, it will only represent a small segment, and fueled on by the very same media, etc, the vast majority of folks don't condone this behavior, never have, never will.

Title: Re: St. Louis
Post by WebsterMark on 11/22/14 at 18:37:33

And finally, if there is rioting, etc, it will only represent a small segment, and fueled on by the very same media, etc, the vast majority of folks don't condone this behavior, never have, never will.

Unfortunately, in the same manner some Muslim countries strongly support murdering Jews, a good % of black Americans will support violence against the police.

Speaking of Islamic pieces of human excrement, there is some pretty strong Islamic extremist influence going on in a Ferguson. Two New Black Panthers who converted and changed to Muslim names, were arrested for buying guns at the local Cabelas and giving then to local protestors. There were allegations about pipe bombs also which I take to mean they bought black powder too.

The Grand Jury did not decide on any action and will meet again Monday I guess. Happy Thanksgiving to us in St. Louis!