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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> cam chain /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1407026371 Message started by rl153 on 08/02/14 at 17:39:31 |
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Title: cam chain Post by rl153 on 08/02/14 at 17:39:31 How much do you think a mechanic, not the dealer would charge to install a new cam chain? Its a private shop. I don't think I can do the versy myself, and i'm just wondering. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/14 at 17:52:32 A tube of KY jelly isn't really all that expensive, but remember, the mechanic 1) charges by the thrusting stroke and them stroke counts do mount up and 2) he isn't any more familiar with your bike than you are, so he will take a lot more strokes to finish up the job (and break a few more small things) getting into and out of it. ;) ..... and it may leak oil when he is done since he is "too experienced" and "too knowledgeable" to read our tech section for all the smart tips. Extra negative points if he has a Suzuki Tech Manual that does not have all the many errors marked and corrected -- your rubber plug will go in dry and your valve adjustment will be done with the engine rotated backwards to TDC. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by rl153 on 08/02/14 at 18:03:43 ouch,thats not too promising. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Oldfeller on 08/02/14 at 18:13:24 Ah, BUTT it was so very very opinionated, it was. Sad thing is if anyone chimes in it will be with yet more stealership/mechanic horror stories of which we have heard too too many for us not to think it might be better for you to try to do it yourself. The worst thing we consistently see is the mechanic recommending all sorts of unneeded complex repairs and they ALWAYS want to charge you at least 10 hours of unnecessary labor to get the engine out of the frame and then put it back in again (and they break and mis-adjust the majority of stuff attempting to do this totally unnecessary step). Read this simple "how to" which shows how to do it with the engine sitting undisturbed in the frame. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1256079122 Read this and understand it isn't really that hard to do this stuff, it just takes time and a place to work. Using this methodology Serenity did his rubber plug job up at a Dragon trip in just one afternoon, working in the little lighted gravel penalty box they have up there for repair work. Lancer and I drank beers and cheered him on from our chairs .... and helped only when he needed his third hand. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Serowbot on 08/02/14 at 18:33:13 I don't know if you realize,... If you install the Versy modded adjuster, you don't have to replace the camchain... (it will go another 30k miles or so on the second hole)... Replacing a camchain is a bit difficult,... but just installing the modded adjuster is a much easier job... |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by rl153 on 08/02/14 at 20:00:46 I'll probably have to have a mechanic try to install the adjuster at some point. I was just wondering if replacing the chain was a viable alternative.,which it isn't, I guess. i just don't think I can do it myself ,just like most things on my car.Some of you guys are very handy,I'm not in that leauge.There is actually a very good mc shop up the road from me.Thanks for your answers! |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by jcstokes on 08/02/14 at 20:25:58 Fair enough, if you are going to a shop. Perhaps check threads on installing the Versy tensioner and the known errors in the Clymer manual and show the service advisor or mechanic anything you can print off. If the mechanic gives a sympathetic hearing or is at least willing to listen to you, you may well be satisfied. If you run into "we're professionals, we know what we're doing" attitudes perhaps it's time to find another shop or consider doing it yourself. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by rl153 on 08/02/14 at 20:29:26 Thats a good suggestion JC ,thanks |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Serowbot on 08/02/14 at 20:49:29 Okay,... if you are going to a mechanic... tell him you want the Versy modded adjuster installed, and in the extended hole if it will reach... (if the stock adjuster is more than 17mm out, it should be able to use the extended hole)... What you don't want is a new camchain.... that will require double the install time, and cost.... and will waste useful remaining life in your original camchain... Some mechanics are quick to catch on, and will see the improvement of the design instantly... others are sticklers for factory only equipment, and think anything different is voodoo... ...(assure him, this is a tried and tested, quality upgrade)... Print out a few pics of adjuster extension measurements, and second hole attachments,... etc,... so he can grasp the measurement points, and how the second hole works... Study up, on the installation instructions we have in the Tech Section,.. so you can be a knowledgeable customer... Hiring a mechanic to do the job, is almost as hard DIYing it... (you should still have all the info and knowledge,... you're just paying him for his expertize in turning wrenches... Hopefully, he won't break anything, or strip any threads, or forget any parts)... good mechanics seldom do... ... bad mechanics can make F'ing-up into an art... ;D... EDIT.... Jeez!... I just spent all this time, single finger typing this ... and JC beat me to the post,... and did it in a simpler, and more concise, prose... Nice work JC... ;)... darn you!... ;D... I'll leave mine up, too... in case it has a morsel more info,... and, because I just spent all this frikkin' time typing it!... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by stinger on 08/03/14 at 01:05:26 How many miles do you have on your bike? And why do you figure you need a cam chain replacement? Alot of work for sure if not needed. Like Serobot said, do the Versy mod and you will not need to replace the chain. By the way, my suzuki dealer told me to replace the chain, they would first have to remove the engine from the frame and the total bill would be around $600 or over unless they found other things wrong and it could go higher. And they will always find things that should be replaced. I am no mechanic either but changing the plunger is pretty simple and anyone that can in here, would help walk you thru the procedure. Save yourself a ton of money because some of these guys in here know alot more about the 650 then the dealers mechanics do. Do not be afraid to ask! |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by jcstokes on 08/03/14 at 01:33:44 rl153, I would almost be inclined to PM Verslagen for the relevant posts on installation of his tensioner and his pricing/avadability . Fortunately it appears you intend using an independent shop, a Suzuki dealer will be contract bound to install Suzuki Genuine Parts. This is not the dealers fault, simply the way it is. If the shop is a Suzuki Dealer, it might pay to look elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/03/14 at 03:55:36 No one can't do the Versy. Save the money the mechanic would cost,buy tools. Start on a Friday, we will be here to walk you through it. It's Not complicated,just a little tedious. Just don't get in a hurry. The only Bear Trap is the clutch cable hanger .That's an easy fix. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by rl153 on 08/03/14 at 06:41:54 Thanks for all the input guys,I was just planning for the future . i saved your post Bot. My bike has 6500 mi on it (2005)and I'm not going to put a cam chain in it , I was just wondering if it was a big job, which i guess it is. I think I'm still safe for a year or two. I try to plan ahead, I didn't mean to create a stir.At some point I'll buy a verslavy. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/03/14 at 08:37:07 By the time it's time for the chain to be dealt with you will have been around long enough to see others who have no clue today learn how and succeed. It's good to plan ahead and get those worries out Now,before it's time to tear into it. I Needed that little STIR you stirred up. You didn't hurt anyone.. That's what this place is for,airing out your thinking..have fun,post stuff.. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by rl153 on 08/03/14 at 09:27:23 Thanks Jog! |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Serowbot on 08/03/14 at 10:01:18 If we weren't talking about this,... we'd be talking about which oil, or tires to use... ... and you know how that goes... :-?... ...(it's Shell Rotella, and Shinko 712's by the way)... :-X... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Oldfeller on 08/03/14 at 14:43:08 We discuss "oil wars" here because the sarcastic banter level fits the rools for this section a lot more than in RSD. This particular post is a simple "how to" question that has been answered plenty well enough (complete with thread references) -- so toss the whole durn thing back over the wall to RSD where it belongs. "How to get enough guts to turn a wrench for the first time" should be the thread title if this thread remains over here in Cafe --- and you'd get some discussion on that topic lead to be sure. ====================== All of us were where RL153 is right now when we were young --- I can remember starting my own maintenance on a Honda S90 at age 16 when I learned not to let a dealership work on the bike when they screwed up my carburetor trying to "lap in the slide" using valve lapping compound. Then in college I spent two long summers working for Honda of Raleigh, so I know all about Mikey by having worked next stall down from him. (I was the slightly older higher skilled "college dude" who put the bikes together properly out of the packing crate -- every mistake I ever made could be counted on one hand and I heard all about every one of them from the older full time mechanic dudes doing the warranty work sheets). Mikey screwed up more single cylinder kiddie bikes in one week than I ever did in the whole two summers I was there. Mikey wasn't real bright, but he had grease under his finger nails so he was a "natural mechanic" to the folks who ran the Service Dept. (he was also related to the owner, a grand nephew or something like that) Mikey was about 16-17 years old and he rode a ratty old dirt bike to work. His bike was ALWAYS busted and he always had parts on order for fixing something on it -- always. Mikey would take apart anything and he could be counted on ordering a whole BUNCH of new parts for it (Honda stealership training at its best) ..... but putting it back together right when the parts finally came in was something else for him though. Mikey spent time studying the new bikes I put together to figure where all the cables & stuff went -- I kid you not. He'd ask me questions about "order of assembly" when he got bumfuzzled by something the least bit order tricky because he had no memory. >:( You are not as bad as Mikey was, trust me ..... You start out by starting -- it is the only way to start. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by EJID on 08/04/14 at 07:38:25 363F2C33343F6B6863635A0 wrote:
My bike is also a 2005, which just turned 11,000 mi this last week. I replaced my tensioner with a Verslavy a couple weeks ago and it was very simple, but I was very surprised at the fact that my tensioner was as far extended (19mm) as it was (most my rides are the short commute back and forth to work <3.5 mi) http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/ericandmaggie/Bike%20Pics/th_20140720_201554_zpswretu4mg.jpg (http://s1030.photobucket.com/user/ericandmaggie/media/Bike%20Pics/20140720_201554_zpswretu4mg.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Kris01 on 08/04/14 at 12:28:51 Short distances probably helped to "age" your tensioner. Longer rides would probably extend its life. |
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Title: Re: cam chain Post by Dave on 08/05/14 at 03:53:56 605942581B1A2B0 wrote:
The experienced folk on this site believe that "heat cycles" are most responsible for the chain stretch. The engine gets hot and pulls on the chain as the tall cylinder and head expand, and when it cools the tensioner tries to go another tooth on the ratchet.....and after several heat cycles it can get to another tooth and tighten the chain. It doesn't make a big difference how many miles are on that trip once the bike is warmed up. Dave |
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