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Title: Question...... Post by raydawg on 07/17/14 at 04:10:02 Do video games and rap music, violence on TV/movies, drug use, etc, Contribute to kids/people to acting in the same manner? |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by BalingWire on 07/17/14 at 04:38:20 "Cause?" Probably not a direct cause. However, I think it can be argued rationally that "games make people more susceptible to becoming violent." The US military uses violent video games to "break down their [soldier's] instinctive repulsion to killing." What Science Knows About Video Games and Violence PBS NOVA | 28 Feb 2013 www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/body/what-science-knows-about-video-games-and-violence/ But this little girl might disagree, and you wouldn't want to get on her bad side, as Bill O'Reilly discovered. ;D [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8x14cLGh5o[/media] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8x14cLGh5o P.S. I disagree with the popular notion that religion causes violence, as is argued in the above video. I concur with anthropologist Marvin Harris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibals_and_Kings) who argues that violence is primarily caused by conflict over resources, and then after the fact, religion is used to justify what happened. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Paraquat on 07/17/14 at 06:16:50 I know the violence is used as a "tool" to desensitize soldiers but on the other hand playing Call of Duty has not affected me in any such manner. Flipping the script again, I don't think it's odd that kids who list "Lil' Wayne" as their favorite "musician" score the lowest. My personal question there is "Does listening to Lil' Wayne make kids stupider" or "Is it only the stupid kids that listen to Lil' Wayne"? Source: http://voices.yahoo.com/new-study-says-if-listen-lil-wayne-re-stupid-2799666.html --Steve |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/14 at 06:25:49 Does playing chess make kids smart or do just smart kids play it? I guess now is not the time to go into how the CIA used its influence on the industry and promoted music and art that would tend to bring change to people's attitudes. Dumb kids don't play chess I gotta go. Finish later |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by RatdogWillie on 07/17/14 at 07:48:11 Things sure have change since i quit playing PacMan many years ago. :o :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v6aVIDxZOw |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by MnSpring on 07/17/14 at 07:51:17 Don’t put a lot of stock, in a little girl, Reciting a script, someone gave her. (And if you sat her down, and asked questions, she wouldn’t understand 90% of what she said) When she, ‘grows up’. One of two things will happen. One, she will get a job, work hard, and then wonder why, others, don’t work, and have the same things she has. Two, she will see people having a job, working, and decide, she can have all those things, because, that other person is working. And that decision, to do one thing or another. Is dependent on how she was raised, and what she was taught, during her formative years. Was she taught how to play Chess, or did she watch, ’South Park’ ? |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by NickGann on 07/18/14 at 18:01:51 What contributes to peoples "acting" similar is marketing of all sorts, which really just means the repetitive introduction to ideas in many forms. Im not sure there are any answers but a great place to start is a joint and some time along in an isolation tank to really think about what it is we are doing. But you know, I could be biased. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by raydawg on 07/18/14 at 18:55:55 So....... According to many "open-minded" people who think rap music with hate, violence, etc, lyrics, is just an artful expression on par with rock and roll, and should be free to express without consequence. Movies too, showing killing, sex, drug use, etc, is just another artful expression and should be excepted as such..... That folk understand its just an expression, and they can readily see it should not be taken so seriously as to let it influence your life, ok..... Then how come tobacco products have been silenced from TV if what folk see/hear on media outlets don't have sway? Love to hear how liberal open minded folk can tell me how this works? |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Kris01 on 07/18/14 at 19:06:42 I grew up watching the Coyote blow himself up, throw himself off of a cliff, etc., chasing the Road Runner. I'm not a violent person because of it nor am I desensitized to violence. I realize it's a cartoon and not meant to be real. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/19/14 at 06:02:12 78415A400302330 wrote:
Yeah,me too.A difference there is that they are clearly not human. I do wonder what role that played in how so many people have learned to laugh when someone gets hurt. I can't even watch Americas Funniest. I wince in pain. The realistic shooting videos,I do wonder how they affect some people. Face it,some people are just dumb. Then you've got the border line personality types.. I can certainly see how they could influence some people. There are some reasons to believe that there is a connection between lower IQ folks and racism. Remember the punks in school? How many of them were intelligent? |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 07/19/14 at 07:12:30 Volumes have been written on this topic by some very smart folks of all persuasions. I grew up in the 1950s. I had cap pistols, I had a BB gun, and when I became 14, my Dad got me a single shot, 20 gage shotgun for Christmas. I have never murdered anyone as a result of having "toys of violence". But I was raised properly - taught that my cap gun was a toy, not a harbinger of things to come. I was taught that my BB gun was the first step in learning to handle firearms - how to realize that even it could hurt someone if handled improperly, how to carry it muzzle down, and the rudiments of target shooting at soda cans and paper targets. We never used pictures or cut outs of people as our targets. Both of my parents were smart people, although not formally educated beyond high school. There were lots of intelligent people in that generation who never had the opportunity, nor the need, to go to college. You could make a comfortable, middle class living then with a high school education. But a middle class living then was different from what we call it today. We had one car, not two. We never had a boat, motor home, or other such luxuries. We took a vacation once every several years, not multiple times per year. We ate out on birthdays, not several times per week. Our wants and perceived needs were far less than what many people think that they have to have today. Not so today - look at the crazies who have committed the mass murders of the past few years. I mean the kids in Colorado, and the one nut, Adam Lanza who shot up that grade school. They were computer obsessed, played violent games that have the player "killing" people and blowing stuff up. Where are the parents? Who knows? What are they teaching, or are they teaching at all? I could go on for pages, but my main theme is that life is so screwed up now, from single parents "raising" kids, and married parents doing the same, shuffling kids off to a day care center for the most formative years of their lives, to be actually raised by the workers there. How many young boys today belong to Scouts, CAP Cadet program, or other healthy, morals based groups? Few, in my observation, while the great majority play on computers. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/19/14 at 07:35:36 All that typing and not one word about the pharmaceutical drugs those Crazies had been on. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 07/19/14 at 07:45:33 JOG - Since I have no personal knowledge of what drugs were taken by whom, and further since I am not a physician nor a pharmacist, I don't choose to engage in speculation when discussing a serious topic. I do feel that too many young people are needlessly medicated. It's simply another example of parental disengagement - take a nasty kid to the doctor rather than take the time and effort to be a real parent. It's the easy way out for parents who are too engaged in other things, over the welfare of kids they brought into the world. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/19/14 at 08:45:51 Mass shooters on antipsychotics Google and Speculation is removed |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 07/19/14 at 08:50:58 JOG - I wouldn't doubt it. Another problem with modern life is that we are too tolerant of aberrant behavior. In the 1095s, 60s, and before, we had several state mental hospitals where people like this were institutionalized. No more. Now, they are loose, since we became so sensitive and politically correct - we can't lock someone up since modern medicine and therapies can control them and teach them to get better. What a load of crap - these guys should have been locked way, and we saw what their freedom cost others, and cost society as a whole. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 07/19/14 at 08:51:23 1950s |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by raydawg on 07/19/14 at 09:52:44 Jerry, you touched on something re: family I believe. By your own firsthand testimony, which is admissible in our courts ( I think still :P ) You speak to how you were introduced to "guns" and don't view them as an instrument to achieve the "ends of your needs". Lets call this the "setting of a foundation" into your life. We all must know that building any structure that will stand the test of what life beings against it......needs to be anchored to a good foundation upon solid ground, or is subject to many shifting trends placed upon it. Seems as a society we have come lax on that first requirement. I can think of all sorts of reasons why, but one I seem to give the most credibility too is that mother's role, in being present, in those early years, as our "being" is still curing on the forms...... has been greatly minimized, for many reasons. The result is a poorly cast, uncured, or misformed foundation, and it is expected to hold the weight of life, upon its primitive strength..... We see the results. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 07/19/14 at 10:02:53 Raydawg - Unlike most of the 1950s families, my Mom worked a full time job. But, my grandmother lived with us, and it was she who took care of me during the summers and after school, ( I am an only child), she had most dinners made so my Mom didn't have to rush home and try to prepare a meal, G'ma cleaned the house, and did most of what would otherwise be "housewife chores", making my Mom's life much easier than most working mothers have it today. Yes, working wives have taken a toll on the kids. I had a lawyer who worked for me, made a very nice income, and he and his wife had 2 kids. The wife insisted on working to "fulfill her", or some kind of crappy reason. She didn't make much money, and after $1,000/month for day care, transportation costs, lunches during the work week, etc. I bet she netted very little real income. They could easily have lived on his salary alone, if they lived even close to how my family did in the 1950s. But she would not hear of it - it isn't the "thing to do" for a young, college educated woman today. Too mundane, she thought. I fear their children will suffer for it. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by WebsterMark on 07/19/14 at 10:22:07 435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
Only one of the Columbine shooters had taken anti depressant prescription drugs and that was only after a court order due to a crime committed while stealing stuff to sell to raise funds to buy supplies to blow up the school, meaning the drugs had nothing to do with it. They worked on the plan for over a year. They were psychotic. There were 1000 kids in that school and most of the boys played the same games as the killers did but they didn't kill anyone. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by raydawg on 07/19/14 at 10:23:49 Jerry, Grandparents played an important role too..... Who else could spoil you in a manner that wouldn't taint you? :-* The very wisdom they possessed from merely having lived life was invaluable. Too bad most of that knowledge now is locked away in retirement (nursing) homes...... For the very same reasons why the lady you shared does :-X |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/19/14 at 10:55:36 132126373021360925362F440 wrote:
Only one of the Columbine shooters had taken anti depressant prescription drugs and that was only after a court order due to a crime committed while stealing stuff to sell to raise funds to buy supplies to blow up the school, meaning the drugs had nothing to do with it. They worked on the plan for over a year. They were psychotic. There were 1000 kids in that school and most of the boys played the same games as the killers did but they didn't kill anyone. [/quote] Okay,what about the other shootings? That's ONE. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by arteacher on 07/19/14 at 11:22:33 My wife and I decided that she would not work so someone would be home for the boys. This does a couple of positive things for children. It allows for instant access in case of a problem, and more importantly, the child realizes that he or she is the most important thing to the parents which is good for their self esteem. In retrospect it was the best decision we ever made. Children need care and guidance from adults who have a vested interest in their well-being, not professional caregivers or teachers, who are only responsible for them for part of the day, and unless there is abuse suspected, can not be involved with the kids up-bringing other than during the time the kids are in their care. Lets talk about corporal punishment, both at home and at school. My first day in kindergarten the teacher told me to stop what I was doing and come and sit in the circle. I innocently told her that she wasn't my mother and couldn't tell me what to do. The result was that I had to kneel over a chair with my pants down and receive a few good whacks on my underwear with a yardstick. I got the strap a couple of times for fighting. My parents had always taught me to avoid fights, and I tried to, but after some kid picked on me day after day I would loose it and fight back- hard. ( My parents didn't know for a long time, but both my grandfather and an uncle had been pro boxers when they were young, and had taught me how to fight.) There is no corporal punishment in the schools anymore, and you are not even supposed to yell at them. Several years ago I was supply teaching in a school, and a grade 8 kid threw a candy wrapper on the floor as he was walking out at the end of the day. I loudly asked him to come back and pick it up, and I even said please. He flipped me the bird and kept going. The principal had heard me and came up to me and said "we don't yell at students in this school" to which I replied "That's probably why the think they can throw garbage on the floor and flip teachers the bird and get away with it." We spanked our kids when they needed it, and the most frightening words my mother could say to me were "Wait 'till you father gets home", which usually meant a few licks with his belt. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 07/19/14 at 11:53:39 Arteacher - My wife stayed home with our daughter until the daughter was nearly 14. Then my wife started a business out of our home, so she was still there when needed. There is nothing that beats a mom at home with her family. I also agree with your comments about the deterioration of discipline and respect in our schools. I'm not sure, as I get older ( now 67 ) that I agree with corporal punishment, though. I would reserve it for the worst instances, like a school kid hitting a teacher, or a kid hitting a parent. But I never spanked my daughter except for once when I lost my temper, and I immediately regretted it. And for young children, defenseless as they are, and who may not yet have developed emotionally enough to have done something out of true spite or hatred, I don't being that being hit by an adult teaches them what I would want them to learn from it. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by raydawg on 07/19/14 at 12:23:21 the child realizes that he or she is the most important thing to the parents which is good for their self esteem. Which diverts so many of the ills that gain root through that access as we grow older, and more able, to try and repair that void. As a society we just cast acceptance upon it, in the name of diversity and go merrily along into our ignorant, selfish, existence...... |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Kris01 on 07/19/14 at 12:40:23 Arteacher: That story about the 8th grader is what is wrong with society. Plain and simple - no respect. It's not taught anymore. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by old_rider on 07/19/14 at 23:45:51 You are not truly a product of your raising... your mind is an elastic thing...it bends one way or the other as your surroundings change and you meet new people and learn new things. I was raised in an orphanage..... they literally BEAT the bible into us... we had bible readings 3X a week, went to church wed...sat and sun. Up until I was about 14, I could still remember chapters and verses by heart and quote you every book and how many chapters each had in it. When I was fostered out, the family I went into was an outer rural family, half farmers (raised all sorts of animals) and half city...(dad and mom both worked in town 1/2 hour away. Your intelligence tells you what is right or wrong and you personally go by that...unless your mind accepts what is happening as right (beating up weak kids), even though you were raised it is wrong, it feels good... so you do it anyway. Trust me... I am the most mellow guy ...and will let most folks push me much farther than the average guy would go... Up to a point.... then you are either baldly hurt, or dead. Oh did I mention after the bullies in the orphanage beat me up.... I waited till they were asleep and beat the crap out of them with the little wood chairs next to the beds? Hospitalized 3 of them... had to spend a month in solitude, in a little room they kept the kids with chicken pox. You are as an adult, a thinking machine...you know what is right....don't let society tell you different. Treat others as you want to be treated....even if you don't agree with what they say, and let them know, you will treat them with respect, if they do for you likewise. And when they call you stupid, dumbazz, ignorant or what ever because you don't think like they do...tell them good bye...have a good life. I don't do drama....if someone tries to bring drama into my life...I swat it like a fly.... yup....talk to the hand...smack the hand, I break your arm...then call the cops because you attacked me....then sue you for the trouble you caused me.... Is that how I was raised ?.....nope...its what I learned throughout my 55 years of life. I'm still learning.... :) |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Paraquat on 07/21/14 at 06:08:35 584B534E4B5D4D2A0 wrote:
http://www.avclub.com/article/mad-men-is-probably-driving-sales-of-lucky-strikes-107146 Lucky Strike almost went bankrupt. Put it on a TV show and sales are up 50%. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by BalingWire on 07/21/14 at 06:29:45 Good article there, Paraquat. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 07/21/14 at 06:38:13 I recall back in a college marketing course in the 1960s that we were studying about the power of advertising for already well recognized products. As I remember it, Coca Cola did an experiment and dropped all advertising in the state of Kansas for one month, back in the late 1950s. Sales of Coke products fell off of the cliff, something in excess of a 50% drop by the end of that month. Obviously, after the month, Coke ramped advertising back to the level in place before the experiment, and sales were back to normal in about 2 more months. |
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Title: Re: Question...... Post by tcreeley on 08/05/14 at 19:31:31 re video games- In colorado a 5yr old shot a 3 year old with the gun the older brother gave him. The older brother who was nine got hold of his mother's boyfriend's gun. He said he knew how to use it from playing -call of duty/ black ops. What a world- they think it is make-believe. Locally the state police shot a man after a 3 hour stand off in a parking lot. His wife called the police. The man just said for everyone to stay away from him. His wife said that if she had known the police would shoot him, she never would have called. - more play time by the swat team. They seem to shoot a lot of folk when they show up. |
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