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Title: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/13/14 at 16:31:35 I bought an S40 about a month ago. It was used with 575 miles on it and now has just over 1K miles. I had the 600 mile service done at the Suzuki dealer. There have been no modifications thus far. First thing I did was maneuver the bike in the garage. I forgot how easy the rear lights break. They are plastic mounted pieces of junk. So now I am looking for a new left rear light. It still works. I tried to superglue it. I ended up supporting it with duct tape. Anyone know where I can get a light? I am not wanting to do any modifications with the electrical. Nor do I want to pay $100 bucks at the dealer to have another plastic piece of garbage. Then, there is little space for the toes to get under the shift lever on the left. My boots do not fit - the toe gets stuck which is not good. I don't like riding in my tennis shoes. Tennis shoes seems to be all that would fit. Does anyone know if that lever is adjustable? Or should I go out and hunt for some boots that have a toe area that is quite low, vertically? I took my bike in for the 600 mile service. It is running rich now after the service at the dealers. Today I was riding in a group of bikes. I noticed my bike backfiring an unusual amount of times - more than normal. The poor guy behind me had to back off and stay a distance from me. He was getting gassed by my bike. I would like to know how to adjust this. I don't want to gas any more guys out, and the mileage is not the best right now. It is running too rich. I am not very mechanical, but can follow directions. I have basic metric tools. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by engineer on 07/13/14 at 18:40:48 Congratulations on buying a great bike. If you haven't looked lately, all turn signals are plastic and fragile, many bite the dust in garage accidents. Check the market place section for deals on turn signals. Also, a few months ago someone ran a thread on turn signals identical to the OEM signals from a third party supplier for a fraction of the cost of the same thing from Suzuki. There is a search function under the CPanel tab but it is a little tricky to use. I would be very surprised if the dealer made your bike run richer, the back firing is probably because it is lean. There are couple inexpensive things that can be done, the air screw adjustment and the white spacer mod. Check the index in the tech section and you will find information on both. If you are convinced it is running rich, ask the dealer what they did and let the guys here know. There is a fix for almost everything. The shifter is adjustable. Take a look at the linkage and you'll see how it's done. Every bike I have owned in recent years was set too low for my preferences but I was able to adjust them upwards. However, riding boots that are somewhat tapered at the end would be nice, I've been looking for a pair, mine are also bulky. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by HondaLavis on 07/13/14 at 18:57:38 What year is your S40? Does it have the '05 or newer style turn signals that are pure plastic, or the '04 and older ones with the big rubber bushing in the middle? I was able to fix mine the first few times with Gorilla Glue by splinting the broken light up until it sets. You can also prop a few things up to apply a light pressure as it dries. All of the answers were spot on. Good luck, and welcome! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by S-P on 07/13/14 at 20:06:10 If you think it is running rich, check your choke. If it is pulled out the bike will run, but it will definitely be rich. They might have choked it to start it in the shop and forgot to push it back in. Not that I've ever done that before..... ;) |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by verslagen1 on 07/13/14 at 22:02:59 604356575A56330 wrote:
The link has 2 lock nuts, loosen both and turn the link to raise the knob. Then tighten both lock nuts. Quote:
check the bolts on the header and muffler, if loose it'll cause it to backfire when shifting. and the bike is epa lean from the factory. most likely it is not rich. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/14 at 03:13:36 Learn how to use 5 minute epoxy. Fashion a wire splint. I have used only Devcon for years. I use so much I buy the plastic bottles,not the squeeze tubes. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/14/14 at 05:25:39 Thank you everyone for your answers. Here is the answer to your questions: The bike is a 2013. I will check and double check all the things you all have suggested and report back. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by pgambr on 07/14/14 at 05:50:36 Regarding the rear turn signal, you can epoxy with it in the bike, but make sure you have electrical tape to hold it till it sets. If you want it to look good I would take it off and do it right. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/14/14 at 12:06:06 Does anybody see anything wrong with these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/281198580864?item=281198580864&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:L:OC:US:3160&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by verslagen1 on 07/14/14 at 12:38:21 Probably functionally compatible with rear, 2 wire, turn signal only. will not mount the same as stock though, only a 10mm stud and nut. whereas stock has a non threaded plug w/a smaller lock screw. would be ok if you're gonna relocate to a bracket behind the license plate. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by markallan00 on 07/14/14 at 12:40:11 Spedie. I bought some similar not realizing these use bolts and nuts to secure to the bike and not the set screw. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/14/14 at 12:59:22 I have been unable to find the thread on this forum where "someone ran a thread on turn signals identical to the OEM signals from a third party supplier for a fraction of the cost of the same thing from Suzuki". I have literally looked for hours today. I have tried the CPanel search. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by verslagen1 on 07/14/14 at 13:49:29 I think these will work. http://www.ebay.com/itm/K-S-DOT-Turn-Signal-Rear-Right-Chrome-Amber-Fits-Suzuki-Boulevard-C50-07-08-11-/310998918347?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3ASuzuki&hash=item4868fae4cb&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/14/14 at 15:42:56 Thanks verslagen1. I have emailed the eBay seller to make sure it will fit on an S40, as this part is for an S50. This will save me $50 if it works! |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by BobH on 07/14/14 at 16:02:57 1A392C2D202C490 wrote:
As mentioned by others, the link is adjustable, but since it works like a turnbuckle, one of the lock nuts is a REVERSE thread. I believe it is the front lock nut. So, be careful when loosening the nuts. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/14/14 at 16:20:06 BobH said: "As mentioned by others, the link is adjustable, but since it works like a turnbuckle, one of the lock nuts is a REVERSE thread. I believe it is the front lock nut. So, be careful when loosening the nuts." I will get out in the garage and try this ASAP - probably tomorrow after work. I will be careful. :) I just hope I don't screw it up. Once I get the nuts loosened, do I turn it clockwise or counterclockwise to increase the space? Do I have to take both nuts completely out? |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by BobH on 07/14/14 at 17:18:11 163520212C20450 wrote:
I had the same problem you have. Just loosen the two nuts - one on each end of the rod. No need to remove anything. Just turn the rod in place. The shift lever will move up or down based on the direction you rotate the rod. It will be immediately obvious which direction you need to rotate it. When you have it where you want it, just tighten the nuts. This is a 10 minute job. Don't worry. You can't screw up. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/14 at 18:08:40 Just LOOK at the threads and turn the nuts the right way. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by jcstokes on 07/14/14 at 20:51:01 Hope you're right Verslagen. I've charged in and brought one. $NZ 66.52 including shipping. Must find out what a dealer here would charge. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by verslagen1 on 07/14/14 at 21:09:44 282131362D292731420 wrote:
me too :-? |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/15/14 at 13:11:28 I fixed the shift lever at lunch. You all were right in that it was a less than 10 minute job. There was one nut that turned opposite (10mm). The nut loosened a horseshoe looking like device (reminded me of the battery cable end piece that connects to a batter terminal). I took a flat tip screwdriver and spread it apart a little, adjusted the shifter up on a sprocket looking type deal and retightened the screw. That was it. I took it out for a ride to make sure all was well. I had to bring the shift lever all the way up (as far as it would go) in order to fit my boot. The pegs seem a bit thick. I am sure if I got different pegs that I could lower the shifter. One tip: Once you adjust the shifter lever, watch out underneath. There is a rubber hose down there with a wire in it. Once adjusted, I noticed the hose rubbing against the frame more than it would beforehand. I simply moved it out of the way, and got out one of my handy-dandy heavy duty zip ties. Tied the rubber hose firmly (but not too tight) to the frame. I still wanted it to move horizontally, if necessary, but not rub as it went down the road. Clipped the end of the zip tie off. Thanks for all your help. I am now on the hunt for better pegs. The eBay guy got back to me and said he wasn't sure if the tail light recommended by a previous poster would work on a 2013 S40. Mine is still duct taped together and seems fine. Duct tape...it cures many ills. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by BobH on 07/15/14 at 17:02:19 293633342E3C335B0 wrote:
I hate to say this, but you didn't adjust it right. Read the info above. Did you undo two nuts and rotate a rod? You undid a bolt and pryed open the "sprocket looking type deal". Look at the picture. Put the "sprocket looking type deal" back where it was and try again. Well, I can't get the picture to post. Go to the link & look at #38, 39, & #40 http://www.motorcyclegoodies.com/oemparts/a/suz/506b62e8f8700235b8768bf0/gear-shifting Ok, got the picture to post. http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s460/rmhough/ShiftLinkage_zps2837bc9c.jpg?t=1405472125 |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/16/14 at 06:34:39 #38 as shown in the picture is bent. I probably got the bike that way. Is it supposed to be straight as shown in the picture? |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by WD on 07/16/14 at 09:05:26 Order a replacement or two, NOW. Once the rod gets a bend, it will break, usually in traffic. Carry a spare, they are very flimsy pot metal. The shifter rod itself is one of the Savage's major design failures. I adjust mine at the shifter pawl interface. One bolt, slide off the widget, set peg height, reinstall. As long as the arm is at least kind of downhill, the bike will shift fine. The rod and nut method is for fine adjustment. Wearing size 13EE motor officer boots right now (too small, need 15EEEEE per the proper measuring method at the days end), the fine adjustment is pointless for me. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by BalingWire on 07/16/14 at 09:13:16 1003470 wrote:
Thank you for the good advice. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by BobH on 07/16/14 at 09:26:30 654653525F53360 wrote:
Yes, it should be straight. The adjustment you made might contribute to the bending. But put the adjustment you made back to where it was before fixing the rod. I would order a new rod. Take the rod out and straighten it and then you can use it while waiting for delivery. Some might suggest not replacing, just straightening and heat treating it, but for less than $7, I went ahead and replaced it when mine was bent (I ordered new nuts also). I keep the old straightened one with the nuts in the tool kit. I ordered from below, but use who you wish. http://www.motorcyclegoodies.com/oemparts/a/suz/506b36cdf870022ba8af9eab/gear-shifting |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by BobH on 07/16/14 at 09:36:35 4C5F1B0 wrote:
I was able to make a significant change in pedal height by adjusting with the rod. I just feel that anytime you change the angle of the pawl away from 90 degrees straight down, you are changing the lever arm and thereby increasing the force required to shift gears, which puts just that much more stress on the rod. ymmv |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/16/14 at 12:46:46 I am now to the root cause of my problem. The problem was the rod was previously bent, making a very right squeeze for anything but tennis shoes. Today at lunch I took the rod off and straightened it as a temp fix. I won't go far on that bike as I don't want it to snap on me out in the middle of nowhere. I am riding it this afternoon. The Suzuki dealer wants me to bring it down to have a look to see if it is running too rich - this was in my first post on this thread. I will report back if they adjust the carb screw. I ordered the OEM rod from bikebandit.com for $7.81 plus a little shipping. It will most likely arrive Saturday or very early next week. BobH: That is a good idea to keep the old, straightened rod in the toolkit with the bike...and a 10mm wrench to change it. If that part broke, it would be just my luck to be 150 miles from home, and it would probably be raining. |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by Spedie on 07/16/14 at 14:09:51 Report back from Suzuki dealer on bike running too rich: The mechanic took it for a good ride. He said the idle was a little high. He adjusted it down a bit. He didn't think it was running rich. He was an older guy, not a fresh faced mechanic. He told me he did not put it on some instrument (don't remember the name) to measure the issue, he was going by what he knows. I haven't gone out and really ran the bike to see if it is backfiring on deceleration after some miles of riding. I suppose I will wait and see if I fumigate the guy behind me on my next group ride. :) |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by BobH on 07/16/14 at 14:28:56 I hope it all works out. Just so you have it, here is the shift linkage info from the Technical Reference Section of the Home Page: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1271569716 |
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Title: Re: Newbie with questions-several Post by S-P on 07/16/14 at 18:07:01 183B2E2F222E4B0 wrote:
The do backfire on deceleration, but not from running too rich, it is because the factory settings are a bit too lean. |
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