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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, but /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1404443009 Message started by iamgodzi1la on 07/03/14 at 20:03:29 |
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Title: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, but Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/03/14 at 20:03:29 There's fuel in my airbox and vacuum line. The air filter is sitting out drying right now, but it'll be tomorrow before I get a chance to change the oil, and 8-15 days before I get my new petcock. Is this thing safe to ride with the petcock set to prime and the vacuum line plugged, or am I looking at a bigger problem than what I'm seeing in the threads? One of the posts on the test your petcock thread said "you may have hurt your bike." What else should I check, and should I bother riding it home or just leave it where it is until it's fixed? |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/14 at 20:08:28 Is there no Yamaha dealer in town? |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/03/14 at 20:15:50 I'm sure there's one somewhere, but I already found a petcock online that can be here by the 9th. Mainly I'm worried about bursting into flames on my ride home in the morning, or damaging my bike beyond my ability to repair. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by S-P on 07/03/14 at 21:46:47 Unless someone knows something I don't, which is usually the case, running the stock petcock on prime is basically like running a normal petcock, the fuel just flows through it without vacuum assist. You just need to be sure to shut it off when you park it. I ran mine on prime for a couple weeks because it ran better than on normal setting until I found out about the Raptor on the forum here. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Serowbot on 07/03/14 at 23:02:23 Oh boy!.... I know something SP don't!... You can run your old pet,... on Prime... but, you must have that vac line blocked... That is your problem... your vac line is leaking fuel into the engine... Be sure that you block it at the pet... so fuel don't pour out of the tap... ... and at the carb,... so air don't get sucked in... And,... you'll need fresh oil and filter... to get rid of the fuel that your engine has consumed... Then,.. you can ride... 'till your Raptor comes... Thank Yamaha... for saving out booties... :-?... |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/03/14 at 23:30:49 Thanks. I cut a couple of sections off of the vacuum hose and folded them over with some zip ties to block off the vacuum ports on the carb and petcock. As long as I can make it home without exploding, I can change that oil as soon as I get home. It was about time for an oil change, anyway. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Seven on 07/04/14 at 03:38:40 from my understandings is you should be fine. I have the same problem on my bike. I blocked off the vac and running in prime. The float should do the rest and if it's faulty then your bike shouldn't be able to turn on due to it being flooded with gas. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/04/14 at 04:31:59 Hmmm. Maybe I should give the float bowl a whack while I'm at it. Even with the vacuum ports plugged it's struggling to start and has to warm up for a minute before it'll idle steady. I ran the tank dry to change the old rotten fuel line a few days ago so the float could be stuck. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/04/14 at 04:41:56 Wow. Four raps on that float bowl with a rubber screwdriver handle and now it starts right up. You're a genius. You're all genii. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/04/14 at 08:13:43 I just performed my most patient and meticulous oil change, ever. Now it's all over but the waiting. The old oil smelled somewhat of gas, and it was so black it was almost purple. I don't think I've put a thousand miles on it, yet, so that troubles me. There was also only about 1.5L, though I know I put two in, and I haven't seen it leak anywhere. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by WD on 07/04/14 at 10:10:15 Savages use oil. Period. If it is hot out and you do any freeway or other high speed riding, the oil vanishes. I added a full pint to my 03 last night before riding home from work. Used an entire sump worth back in 2000 on a sub-300 mile ride through Mississippi, 10W40 full synthetic, and that bike's only leak was the speedometer cable. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by S-P on 07/04/14 at 13:45:22 4E584F524A5F52493D0 wrote:
HA! You're a member of a pretty big club! :D I joined DENSA and almost didn't pass the entrance exam... ;) |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/06/14 at 07:45:47 An update - I took it out for a workout this morning and it's definitely running better, but I put about 20 miles on it with the vacuum lines blocked and the petcock set to FUEL. I'm just guessing that means something is well and truly broken inside that petcock. Hopefully that means I'll still have my reserve until the new one comes in. On a side note, it seems to be running a lot better with the rotella T6 synthetic I put in there when I changed the oil. The valves aren't as loud and the engine just seems to run more smoothly. It used to sound like a rough lawnmower, but now it sounds like a rotary engine plane about to take off. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/06/14 at 10:52:41 What did you spend on the new petcock? If it had more oil than its supposed to,then you'd Know gas went in. I'm glad it was low. Now, start keeping a closer watch on it. Don't trust it till you've watched it use Fresh oil and watched its oil use once you get some miles on the oil. My consumption went from negligible to almost alarming as the oil started getting some miles on it. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Oldfeller on 07/07/14 at 09:08:05 2028242E262D3320782528490 wrote:
Nope, running on Prime means NO RESERVE FUNCTION AT ALL, you are running at risk of a sudden total out of gas stoppage until you get your Raptor installed. You didn't go buy another Suzuki petcock, did you? |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by eruby on 07/07/14 at 09:27:11 I believe he said he's running in 'FUEL' mode so his diaphragm must be non-existent. If he is indeed running in FUEL mode with the vacuum lines blocked off at both ends, he should have RES still functioning, right? I'd keep an eye on my odometer as well. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Oldfeller on 07/07/14 at 09:33:52 I think he will find out in either case .... the hard way. Lessons learned by pushing the bike home ---- priceless, never to be forgotten. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/07/14 at 15:04:58 Ugh. My internet was out for a whole day. What did people do before internet? I bought a raptor petcock. It was almost $20, but that was with free shipping and here by wednesday. I bought it on ebay but it's supposed to be the oem part and not a knockoff. The bike does run with the valve on any setting. I looked in my old fuel filter and there were three little black plastic-looking pieces that I guess came out of the petcock. I'll be keeping a close eye on my oil It was more like .3 L down when I changed it, and I don't think much of that was gas. I had read the test your petcock thread already so when I smelled fuel in the airbox I disconnected the vacuum line right away. I'm pretty sure I caught it immediately. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by verslagen1 on 07/07/14 at 15:23:20 Take a look at the lever, one or the other has an arrow pointing the opposite direction to the lever. What you think as being "fuel" might be labeled on the opposite side. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Dave on 07/07/14 at 18:45:35 59515D575F544A59015C51300 wrote:
If it doesn't come in a white box with a Yamaha part number....it is not the Yamaha part. Dave |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/08/14 at 05:40:23 I'll be keeping my eye on that, Dave. I don't trust anything until I can hold it in my hands. Especially not from ebay. The arrow on the lever points in the direction of the lever, verslagen, and FUEL is straight down. I've ridden..? rode..? with the lever in all three positions, though. They all allow fuel to flow freely from the tank. I panicked a little this morning because I smelled a weird burning smell at a red light, but it was just bird poop on my exhaust pipe. I know what 450 degree bird poop smells like, now. Learn something new every day. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/30/14 at 20:15:05 I finally managed to put together two consecutive free minutes to swap out the petcock. The hardest part was not catching fire after I spilled a 3-liter bottle of gasoline all over my leg. http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/9271_10203644611851982_5434698864749173520_n.jpg |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by S-P on 07/30/14 at 20:30:23 Nice! It took me 3 times longer to drain my gas tank than to install the Raptor. Good job! Don't forget to cap off the vacuum line. ;) |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/30/14 at 20:40:27 Ridiculously easy. I didn't even bang my knuckles. I had to cuss a few times just because it felt weird working on something without shouting expletives. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Silverhippi on 07/30/14 at 20:54:50 Nice! What diameter is the cool new fuel line? |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/30/14 at 21:04:16 I didn't realize fuel line came in sizes. They only had one size at cycle nation, and it fits perfectly. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by ralfyguy on 07/30/14 at 21:19:14 I know it was mentioned before in another thread, but what is the reserve now with the Raptor? |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/30/14 at 22:25:05 I haven't hit reserve yet myself, but what I remember from the thread is that it's "about 20 miles." Probably less for me because this thing gets crappy mileage. Something like 35 mpg. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/30/14 at 23:13:35 A couple of notes as I re-read the thread: I did run out of gas. Apparently I was running on reserve with the valve on any setting. I was only a couple of hundred yards from a gas station, though, so it wasn't as bad as it could've been. I kept the old petcock and I plan to take it apart to see what happened. The petcock I got was not in a white Yamaha box. I was kind of upset about that, but I'd lose money chasing after $20 on ebay so I just swallowed the lump and installed the one I had. It works, so I'm happy enough. I've been keeping a close eye on my oil level and haven't noticed any drop since I changed it two or three weeks ago. The motor still purrs like a giant kitten with a two-pack-a-day habit. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Seaweednh on 07/30/14 at 23:41:51 6F676B6169627C6F376A67060 wrote:
I just saw this post, you have fuel in all three positions? Then what is the purpose of your petcock? Did you check this with the fuel line off or just by turning the valve the engine continued to run? I would all suspect if there is fuel in all three, there is no difference between fuel and reserve either. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by iamgodzi1la on 07/31/14 at 00:14:21 I drove for miles with the lever in each position and it never stalled. What I suspect, based on the little plastic pieces in my old fuel filter, is that the valve itself in there busted in a way that would allow fuel to flow no matter what. I don't know exactly what a petcock's guts look like, yet, so I don't know if it would be a gasket or a flange or elven magic in there. |
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Title: Re: About to pull the trigger on a raptor petcock, Post by Serowbot on 07/31/14 at 00:19:10 Just a couple of notes... One thing I like about the Raptor pet is that it's settings are intuitive and logical... to me anyway... Pointed down,... seems to indicate that fuel flows to the engine... condition normal... and it does... lever pointing down is the ON position... Pointed crosswise,... horizontal... indicates a division between the tank and the engine,... and it is... lever at horizontal is the OFF position... And,.. lever pointing up to the tank,... seems to indicate a request to the tank to give more,... and it does... lever pointed up, is the RESERVE position... I love when engineering is logical... Point at the engine to Run... divide the space between tank and engine horizontally and the fuel is cut off... Point up to the tank and you get more fuel... Reserve... I'm at peace... :)... Well... not quite... Also,... Reserve is less with a Raptor... ... exact amounts can only be measured based on a stock bike... For instance... I have taller rear shocks... I have a 140/90 rear tire... I have the rear of tank elevated by 1"... and I have my front suspension beefed up with a 3/4" spacer... All of these things will change the tilt of the tank, and this will effect the amount of reserve... Even your body weight changes the front to rear balance of the bike... and will change the reserve level... Even the amount of tread left on your tires!... Sheesh!... ;D... The more forward tilt of the tank... the more reserve you will have... You can also adjust the amount, by altering the length of the ON position pick-up tube... Not to mention... your mileage may vary... ::)... |
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