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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!!! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1402363194 Message started by squirrel83ms on 06/09/14 at 18:19:54 |
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Title: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!!! Post by squirrel83ms on 06/09/14 at 18:19:54 My 87 suzuki savage 650 ran amazing until the starter started sticking so I cleaned the starter and it still would not work the brushes where wore out so I rebuild the starter. Now my problem the starter runs so good it spins the two sprockets back with out even turning the fly wheel. I took the cover off and watched the starter spin the sprockets right off. The only thing I did different was when the wire out starter was giving me problems I up the battery from 190 cold cranking amps to newer battery with 220 cold cranking amps. ??? An now u engage the starter and all it does is spin the two sprockets back and the starter spins with out making contact to the fly wheel? ??? But it ran good before? ??? Please if any one can help me??? |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by squirrel83ms on 06/09/14 at 18:27:22 I need to get my bike back on the road my Chevy z71. Is killing me in gas while my bike is down :( |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by runwyrlph on 06/09/14 at 19:26:40 I'm not sure if I understand your problem, never had the strter off mine, or the cover off .... but... the starter is a DC motor, any chance it's spinning backwards -i.e. you got the polarity reversed? So the gear on the starter is not spinning out to engage the flywheel? |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by shorty on 06/09/14 at 20:36:29 more info please, we will help you through this |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by squirrel83ms on 06/10/14 at 02:18:14 it. looks like it's spinning there right direction but it keeps spinning the Sprockets back.but I'm not sure could it be battery 220 cca.vs 190 cca? |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by Steve H on 06/10/14 at 03:45:01 It's not the battery. It will only supply the amount of power necessary for whatever is using the power. You just have a little more in reserve for cranking. I think you've got the starter motor spinning backwards. |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by squirrel83ms on 06/10/14 at 03:46:21 I bought this bike used guy said it needed a carb. He had trouble with the starter was sticking after a while out in the hot son the guy finely got the bike to run with starting fluid. I only paid $400 for the bike to save money on my long drive to work. I changed the battery to a new 220 cca. Cleaned and rebuilt the carb and noticed he had the needle jet upside down. I fixed it changed spark plug air filter and oil. Bike fired up and ran amazing then the starter started sticking so I cleaned the starter had lots of dust and debe in it. The brushes where wore out so I bought a rebuild kit on ebay. Now all it dose is spin the sprockets back and does not spin the fly wheel. Motor has good compression. I do not know what else to do. I don't have the $$$ for a shop to fix it.??? |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by squirrel83ms on 06/10/14 at 03:50:24 If the starter is spinning back wards how could I change that? Only one cable going to the starter? |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by ToesNose on 06/10/14 at 04:18:08 If the starter is spinning backwards there are only three possible reasons that I can think of. -Either something got wired wrong when it was rebuilt, or magnets assembled in the wrong positions. -The new battery has the position of the negative and positive in the wrong place and that is wired wrong. -The housing isn't aligned properly, I've never had our starter out so I'm not sure if it's possible to put it in wrong. But I know some other bikes it is possible to miss-align the starter housing putting the magnets in the wrong positions and causing the starter to spin backwards. |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by verslagen1 on 06/10/14 at 07:28:04 525054485353444D19124C52210 wrote:
Seems pretty simple to me, you rebuilt the starter, now it runs backwards. do you think you put it back together wrong? |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by runwyrlph on 06/10/14 at 07:55:45 if you take the starter off the bike and run the motor (with jumper cables or something) does the gear spin out away from the starter motor, then go back down when it stops? |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by Dave on 06/10/14 at 10:19:08 42554B4545495F260 wrote:
The starter on our bike does not work this way.....the gear stays in the same location all the time, and is engaged with the intermediate gear all the time. The way our starter works is the big gear on the flywheel has a one way clutch on it....and the starter can drive the flywheel - but the moving flywheel cannot move the starter. Dave |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by runwyrlph on 06/10/14 at 11:07:22 Wups! :-[ Sorry - showing my ignorance. I was thinking like typical car starter. |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by verslagen1 on 06/10/14 at 11:36:43 300B0611000C17110A020F10630 wrote:
unless it goes backwards, then you're really are FUBAR |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by Dave on 06/10/14 at 12:26:30 5B485F5E414C4A48431C2D0 wrote:
unless it goes backwards, then you're really are FUBAR[/quote] Yep....I didn't want to cause a panic....so I thought it was better not to mention that unfortunate possibility. |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by Steve H on 06/10/14 at 16:14:08 Looking at the starter motor from the gear end, it should spin clockwise. Most bike starters have two end caps and the cylinder with the magnets in it. All this is held together by long screws. I have seen some of the cylinders keyed the same 180º apart aparantly to allow the cylinder to be used on a bike that requires the starter to spin the other direction. I have also seen some brush plates that could be put in 180º out from the way they were installed or the brushes could be connected backwards. Either will cause the direction of rotation to reverse. Ask me how I know :-[ I'm convinced that your starter is turning the wrong direction. The fact that it is engaging and turning, even though not starting the bike, should indicate the battery is in correctly. The electronics in the decomp unit wouldn't like reverse polarity and I doubt they would do anything other than maybe release a little magic smoke. The starter spins clockwise, causing counter-clockwise on the gear next to it, causing clockwise on the gear next to the flywheel, causing counter-clockwise on the flywheel which if looking from that side of the bike would be the direction of engine rotation. The starting clutch only catches if the gear rotates this direction. The other way, it just spins. Since you already have the cover off, try catching the flywheel gear and rotating it counter-clockwise. It should grab and try to turn the engine. Clockwise, it should spin pretty freely. |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by squirrel83ms on 06/24/14 at 12:20:52 Well it the starter rebuild kit I got off of eBay made it run backwards. I used the new brushes on the old part it runs great now. :) |
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Title: Re: 1987 Suzuki savage 650 I need help please! !!! Post by Steve H on 06/24/14 at 15:08:09 Glad to hear you got things working right again. Now, time to enjoy prime riding time. |
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