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Title: Lets me try this again Post by william on 05/18/14 at 20:50:15 I have read what to look for when buying a used savage the bike i found has been outside for the last 3 years or so it is a 86 the original tank was taken off because he said it had a small hole that rusted through e put another tank on from a different year he said it runs but there was a few vacuum lines that were different that he plug ed off the engine has some light oil build up on the backside of the engine buy the battery but it looks pretty clean considering he said he would take $600 for it says 9,950 miles it has all the original parts except the tank different year the belt looks good as do the tires the brake when you pull on it feels tight and barely moves in but i rolled it and when i pulled it stopped the chain guard looks good. i want to fix it up bit this is my first savage how big of a risk am i taking on this turning into a lot more thin i want to spin is the motor after setting that long OK its had a non op since 2012? |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/18/14 at 20:57:52 Id have to see the motor spin over & Id shoot some ether in the intake & see if it fires. Its okay if it wont start & run so you can ride it, just make sure it will fart & run a second on ether,that way you know that with the carb working & gas goin in, it WILL run,, If youre happy with the tank, okay, is it a Savage tank? Can ya post a pic or 2? An 86 model? Dude,, thats OLD,, The starter will need an upgrade ( I think,, someone will pitch in there) I probably would pay the $600.00 IF it was running,, If I have to get it home & work on it? I just dont think 600 sounds that good.. BUT, dont just go on my opinion, wait & see what these other guys say,, they may tell me to shaddup,, |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by william on 05/18/14 at 21:11:02 Thank you i will try and get it started this week he was supposed to charge the battery and also get a pick the color is a off red kind of a light faded red figured since that was the fist year it was made it would be worth restoring?or going all out changing the paint and up dating everything if the motor is good? |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Boofer on 05/18/14 at 21:19:31 IF it looks good enough for you and you can take a manual and do your own work, and you enjoy tinkering, I'd offer $500. Like JOG says, make sure it will turn over and run a second or 2 on gas or ether. Tires are very important. Check the date to make sure they're less than 5 yrs old. Front brakes can be costly if you need a rotor and/or master cylinder. The belt is usually a non issue unless it is cut. A Raptor petcock on a Savage tank costs $25 and eliminates the vacuum hose you refer to. Rock it back and forth while shifting up and down to make sure the shifting fork is ok. If it fires, you can get probably get out for $800 or so with the help of this forum. Otherwise, spend $12-1500on a good running 1990s bike. And bikes are higher this time of year. :) |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by william on 05/18/14 at 21:28:15 Thanks again that is a lot of good information i needed to no i am set on getting one one way or another i have had 3 other bikes all shaft drive the savage looks fun and appeals to me I got to get one.Thanks again |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/18/14 at 21:34:22 Well,, he is ASKIN 600,, Id put 300 in my pocket & offer that, IF it sputters on ether,,youre gonna need that other 200 to get it fixed up good enough to play with it,,Tires go away FAST. The rear can Look pretty good, but it may not last 2 months,,& there goes $150.00 or so,, I dont think that year model has the starter gears that will survive the motor turning backwards,,& they will turn backwards once in a while when ya shut them down,.,Wrangle with the guy, dont act like youre in love with it,, It would be a shame to see it go to the junk pile, Youre THINKING about trying to save it,, but youre not gonna get in over your head.. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by gizzo on 05/18/14 at 21:39:59 I wouldnt be put of by the fact that its an 86 model they came with the 4 speed gearbox that is pretty cool I dont think they need a 5 speed with the 4 speed you can cruise around town in 3rd and hardly ever have to change gears my one is an 86 4 speed it doesnt have the starter gear mod and he cases have broken once a previous owner has been in there and repaired the cracked cases with metal epoxy its not ideal but seems to be doing the job so if you get it for the right price and you are happy with it dont let the age put you off you guys are pretty spoiled for choice though seems like savages are very cheap so you could just wait for a newer one to turn up if you think this one is too old for sure if it's been sitting outside for 3 years id factor a new pair of tyres into the cost as well you can't be sure the old tyres will be safe to ride on but thats up to you if the engine turns over on the starter thats a good sign at least its not seized you could take a battery with you and see if you can start it up before you buy it and lastli it doesn't seem like much of a financial risk at $600 if you dont like it part it out or move it on or throw it away. my2c ymmv imo etc |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Serowbot on 05/18/14 at 22:11:59 If you like to piddle around the shop, and tinker... the bike may be salvageable... ... but,.. I would would add up the essentials... you'll need tires and tubes, 5spd starter gear, Versy camchain adjuster, battery, Raptor petcock, fuel tank repair or replace,... ..and that assumes the bike is basically sound... You'll also need to rebuild the carb, oil and filter, air filter.... maybe fork oil change... That's around an additional $500 if you do the work yourself... Any Savage will need a Versy adjuster and a Raptor to be reliable beyond 10k miles anyway... ... but,.. you can buy a 5spd low mile Savage for $1200 to $1500... Unless you like working on bikes as much as riding them... I'd pass... Consider it a parts bike... This all assumes you are in the US,.. where Savages are a dime a dozen... ;D... I've bought a few non-running Savages to fix and resell... I'd pass on that one... |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by S-P on 05/18/14 at 22:12:38 Do you have access to a decent bike junkyard? Minimum you'll need a starter gear and the left side case cover. I paid 65.00 at a junkyard here for them. At 9K+ plan on the cam chain tensioner mod. There's another couple hundred with parts, gaskets etc. if you do it yourself. Chances are you'll need the plug cap leak fixed if not now, soon. At a shop that's about 300.00 to have done. So, how handy are you with tools, a manual and a lot of support from a discussion forum? |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by william on 05/18/14 at 22:24:04 He did turn it over it turned over for about 7 0r 8 seconds but then the battery went dead also it has a push button switch or a toga switch put on it because the one on the bars don't work so they buy passed it so it turns over with the key off or on i t also inst there some cheap master-cylinders out there that are aftermarket that are nice. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/18/14 at 22:55:39 I spelled it out, |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by gizzo on 05/18/14 at 23:45:06 and i didnt use any punctuation |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Dave on 05/19/14 at 03:33:34 So why did you have to post this again? Were you hoping for a more positive response this time? Yep.......I hear what the others are saying. It is a parts bike (probably good head, cylinder, starter, etc.), and you will most likely be able to part is out and get your money back. - or - If you like doing "rescue work" it is a project that will provide you with a lot of hours in the garage tinkering and figuring out how to diagnose, tear apart, and fix stuff. If will be most of the summer before you get it reliable and trustworthy.....and you will have invensted enough money to have been able to buy a bike twice as nice. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by WD on 05/19/14 at 08:24:53 A non-op 86 is worth, at most, $300 as a parts roach or a project. Even having the "option" of a non-op status screams California, the land of emissions control nonsense to deal with. Cali bikes have more parts and less power, at the crankshaft and at the rear wheel. A 49 state legal bike has just enough power to almost get out of its own way if it is dialed in and everything is working perfectly... Don't get me wrong, I actually like the bikes. I do have 2 of them right now, with plans to add 5 more to the stable. A different build style for every day of the week, starting out from nearly free beaters or low cost daily rider grade bikes. But I'm in no hurry to do so, and wouldn't touch one that has been left for dead. Savages have ZERO collector value in the USA. Too many negative reviews in the mainstream motorcycle magazines to have much of a following. Slow, little, slow, underpowered for their displacement, slow, bad brakes, slow, weak electrical system, slow, terrible seat, slow, bad suspension, slow, single cylinder, slow, oddball rear tire and battery sizes, slow, terrible ergonomics, slow... Yeah, the magazines really go on about how slow these bikes are. The only bike to get consistently worse press is the 250 Rebel, which couldn't get out of its own way if you strapped a rocket to it. ;D If you can get it for $300, go for it. You'll probably be in it a couple grand when it is all said and done, but if you like to tinker with bikes, money well spent. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/19/14 at 08:45:01 IOW, the guy is ASKING 600,, hoping someone will pay it. You really need to get into it a lot cheaper than that to not get to the finish line with too much $$$ in it. You can spend a little more than 600 & get a bike that needs a lot less love to get it on the road. TRust me, all the stuff you see that needs done Is NOT all that needs done,, it never is,.& stuff doesnt sit outside for years & not develop "needs",, The seat may look fine today, but sitting in the weather for 3 years HAS affected it & it will wear at an accelerated rate now. Rubber parts that look okay now have had some of the plasticizers cooked out, theyre almost 30 years old, no one has taken time to clean & keep them alive. An 86 with so few miles isnt anything but documented neglect. I use fuser oil ( 100% silicone oil) from old copier machines on dashes & interior trim panels & motorcycle rubber & plastic. Thats the part of Armor All that is supposed to protect your car parts, the silicone. Sadly, Armor All is loaded with CFCs that evaporate & leave plastics dry & ready to crack,,I wont use that stuff,, once its been put on & its starts off looking all great, then the stuff evaporates & now the dash looks dry as a bone, demanding another dose of $$ & labor.. But, go to a copier repair place & ask if they have any fuser oil, any kind will do. I pay $5.00 a pint. A pint lasts me a coupla years, Just a few drops on a piece of Tee shirt cloth pulled tight on a fingertip spreads out nicely, I always do the plastic & rubber stuff before I wash & wax. You know how wax messes up the color of black rubber & plastic,, but it wont stick if ya rub some silicone oil on first,,makes a detail job look great, OHH,, better hurry & get a few pints, new copiers dont use fuser oil. Lots of places have tossed their old stock out, & 100% silicone oil costs well over $100.00 a gallon. They guuy is either unaware of what the bike is actually worth or is hoping someone thinks 600 is a good deal.. it isnt. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Dave on 05/19/14 at 10:21:37 5E4D090 wrote:
I dunno......I remember the Buell Blast getting pretty crappy reviews. That is another bike I think would be fun to buy, ride for a while and then pass it on. The only downside is that you probably couldn't sell it once you were ready to let some else have fun with it. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by S-P on 05/19/14 at 17:00:39 4F74796E7F73686E757D706F1C0 wrote:
Yep. I bought a basket case, the guy was asking 600, I got it for 300 and sold enough parts off it to make a couple hundred. But with trips to Fed-Ex, packing time, hours in post office lines etc. it wasn't worth it after all. Won't do it again. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by quentin99 on 05/19/14 at 17:23:07 I paid 400 for my 1987. What is the parts list for the starter upgrade? |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by doh13 on 05/19/14 at 18:13:48 I just bought a non working (Gunked up carb )1999 with a supertrapp installed and stock muffler came with it a couple of weeks ago with 1400 miles on it and I believe I paid too much ($1700 CAD) .Cleaned the gunk out of the tank and its not rusted through but the carb was full of gunk and the float needle was seized . It took a few hours to clean the carb and a few for the tank. I managed to get the float needle removed and cleaned up need to test it when my new carb float comes. If it leaks at the float needle I will spend 60 bucks to get a new needle and needle seat I have spent approx $250 so far on it (battery , carb float, raptor petcock , filters , oil) other than that the bike is in pretty good shape and wasn't left outside and shouldn't need anything else (Knock on wood) and if my GF doesn't want it I should be able to get $2500 here in Canada where everything is overpriced going by the prices on kijiji. so I am only 50 dollars over my original budget so far not including the hours i have spent on it. i will worry about the cam tensioner and oil plug issues if it gets a few 1000 more miles on it (why hasn't Suzuki fixed the cam issue is beyond me .) You should expect to do some carb/tank cleaning and possibly replace some carb parts such as the float and or float needle along with the other things you will replace that could be dry rotted or rusted. If you like doing the work yourself then its prob worth it & if you tell him about the issues you will have to fix I assume he will come down in price. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by S-P on 05/19/14 at 18:23:13 7572637063687667736A060 wrote:
You need the "starter limiter gear" from a later model engine (can't remember the year they started putting them in, mid/late 90's I think), if you get it from a junkyard be SURE they take it out AS A UNIT not in parts, with all the spacing washers, and you will want the left side case cover otherwise you are looking at machining your existing case cover. You'll need to get a case cover gasket too. It's not too difficult to install, there's a couple tricks but I got everything I needed on this forum's tech links. We have an AWESOME bike junkyard here in Phoenix, so if you don't have access to junk parts you're gonna be out a few bucks buying OEM stuff. I paid about 70.00 for the limiter and side cover here. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Boofer on 05/19/14 at 18:30:47 142F2235242833352E262B34470 wrote:
I dunno......I remember the Buell Blast getting pretty crappy reviews. That is another bike I think would be fun to buy, ride for a while and then pass it on. The only downside is that you probably couldn't sell it once you were ready to let some else have fun with it. [/quote] Some guy in western Tn has ELEVEN Buell Blast used for rider training starting at $1500. Craigslist. Four colors all low mileage. 2005-2010s. A good buy for Buell fans. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by quentin99 on 05/19/14 at 18:38:43 I'll check and see. But I always have eBay. Surely their is a used part |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by william on 05/19/14 at 21:27:41 https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=ec25d8d3df&view=fimg&th=14615a92696b763b&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&attbid=ANGjdJ_NCcji1q5ABFiCtDux6WtDKAD0YK2fmgp4IsWGtF9kvNPrCdE5cFXwK9P4Iay42v-bSfInDXDS5PC1AyvEFINiV8CXrIXxV9vxl55or_IlmM2P9Fs-C0rNI5A&ats=1400559006963&rm=14615a92696b763b&zw&sz=w898-h485 86 $600 runs but on the fence about getting it still i have looked all over on Craigslist here in CA AND FOUND NOTHING FPR LESS THIN $1900. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by william on 05/19/14 at 21:29:00 That was supposed to be a pick didn't work. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by S-P on 05/19/14 at 21:32:14 6B6567290 wrote:
I watched craigslist for 3-4 months before I found either one of my bikes. Patience grasshopper. If you buy the 86, you may be 3-4 months fixing it until you can ride it anyway. ;) |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by YoungSavage on 05/19/14 at 21:45:38 Why does everybody say you need to upgrade the starter gear right away? My bike had 12,500 miles and has never had a problem with the starter gear. While at some time I probably will upgrade it because I like tinkering, the bike for 25 years hasn't had a problem with the factory stuff. |
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Title: Re: 86 savage Post by william on 05/19/14 at 21:47:01 You are probably right, I think I will be patient, save some more money, and keep looking. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Dave on 05/20/14 at 05:11:26 4E78627970447661767072170 wrote:
Well......because it only takes one incident where the engine kicks backwards to ruin the case. There is no warning of when this might happen.......and I suppose some people like you do get along and never have the problem. If you are going to do the upgrade....you might as well do it before it breaks something. This one one time when "If it isn't broke....Fix it" does apply. Dave |
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Title: Re: 86 savage Post by Dave on 05/20/14 at 09:39:21 6C62602E0 wrote:
Location might have a big influence on pricing. The California bikes might just be more expensive then in other places.....and I am not sure you can buy one from out of state and bring it back to California. I know that if I look at bikes in the Cincinnati Craigslist....they seem to be listed pretty high. If I look at the surrounding Columbus, Indianapolis, Louisville or Lexington the prices seem to be lower for the same year and condition. A lot of folks don't know what their bikes are worth, and they just go to Craigslist and see what the others are asking to establish a price. If you see one you like go ahead and contact them.....and start a dialog. If the bike doesn't sell quickly they are likely to start lowering the price. Don't lowball them in a way that might offend.....just let them know you are interested and would like to buy their bike.....but the price is just a bit more than you can spend. Another option is for you to place a listing letting folks know you are interested....even in non-running project bikes. If you find one that needs a little work....you might get a good deal. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by verslagen1 on 05/20/14 at 10:24:26 If you just throw out a low ball price, yes you'll offend most people. If you present a nada or kbb price range then assess the bike and add up shop costs you'll appear to be fair. Get the price of a carb clean, and a tune up from a local shop Know the cost of tires with installation and battery and you'll be well armed to negotiate. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by shorty on 05/20/14 at 19:48:46 I would pass on the $600 dollar '86 model, too many problems...just keep looking |
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Title: Re: 86 Post by william on 05/21/14 at 09:41:14 2 |
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Title: 86 Post by william on 05/21/14 at 09:48:25 5 |
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Title: 86 Post by william on 05/21/14 at 09:48:58 6 |
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Title: 86 Post by william on 05/21/14 at 09:49:25 7 |
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Title: 86 Post by william on 05/21/14 at 09:47:39 4 |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Dave on 05/21/14 at 10:08:22 It definitely has potential as a parts bike......and maybe as a project if you aren't in a hurry to go riding. I have no idea how hard sitting outside in Florida for 3 years is on a bike - but I betcha it is going to be plagued with electrical gremlins for the rest of it's life. All those switches up on the handlebars are probably compromised, the clutch, kickstand and brake switches are probably questionable as well. The master cylinder, caliper and brake fluid? The bike obviously has the rubber head plug leak, as an 86 model it should be upgraded to the newer starter gear and left side cover. It is going to need new tires to be ridden safely if you ever do get it to run. If it was local to me I might buy it for $ 200 - $ 300 as a donor bike for a cylinder head, cylinder and other parts. It would take time to haul it home, take it apart and salvage.....it would be more of a hobby project than a money maker for anyone. This bike is 28 years old and has been sitting outside for 3 years......all the trouble free years are probably used up! Dave |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by william on 05/21/14 at 11:07:55 OK thanks for the info actually in in CA Modesto CA. So its not worth 600 there is a shop in a town where i grew up about 17 miles from here these guys no their stuff i was thinking maybe having a bobber made but sound like i am looking at a a lot of money. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Dave on 05/21/14 at 12:15:22 Ooops....got confused about the location. Might be a bit drier in CA - but the corrosion on the outside is possibly matched by the corrosion on the inside. That is especially worrysome in the electrical system. Dave |
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Title: Re mastercylinder Post by william on 05/21/14 at 12:43:16 Will a intruder or marauder master cylinder work on the savage are they 1 inch? There has to be others out there that work? |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by S-P on 05/21/14 at 14:41:26 754E4354454952544F474A55260 wrote:
Concur. It's like buying a 30 year old car: ALL the rubber parts and seals are probably shot. Parts bike, for sure, not something to buy if you plan on riding any time soon with any money left in your pocket. It's not like it's a classic bike and a restoration will bring it back to some value. You'll basically have a 1,200-1,600.00 bike when you're done spending 2K or more (especially if you're having a shop do any work) fixing all the stuff on it. |
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Title: Re: Lets me try this again Post by Steve H on 05/21/14 at 15:14:01 Mine's 27 years old and has no problems with any of the seals or anything. Of course, it's been cared for and has not been sitting outside unused for any years. It makes a big difference. |
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