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Message started by kuri77 on 05/11/14 at 19:25:51

Title: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 05/11/14 at 19:25:51

Friend worked on my bike and got it back with weird electrics problem. When you use either signal the front and rear flash twice as fast as usual and the brake light comes on in between the flashing of the turn signals. Any quick ideas before I dive into the wiring?

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/14 at 20:18:51

Yea, take it to your friend & make him show you exactly what he did,,& look for pinched wires. I wouldnt touch it till he has hands on it,,The last guy to mess with something can often find the bug.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by WD on 05/11/14 at 20:46:43

He pinched the harness, causing a short. Very common problem. I swapped to red rears on mine, run/turn, had to add a separate ground wire to the mounting point (license plate holder) or they wouldn't light up.

The factory wiring is rather, um, let's just say... delicate. Yeah, that's the word, delicate.

Which is polite speak for substandard too light useless junk. Doesn't take much for it to break.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 05/11/14 at 21:03:20

Thanks guys for the fast replies with what appear to be logical cause for and way to remedy the problem.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by shorty on 05/12/14 at 03:19:14

in addition to pinched wires, remember a missing ground connection can cause a circuit to seek it's own ground, causing all kinds of ghosts in the machine

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 05/12/14 at 07:53:40

Good point Shorty, will remember that too thanks

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/14 at 08:00:02

I just love it when someone named "Shorty" starts talkin about electrical stuff..

Yea, we had a fire safety guy named Sparky, too,, Oh Oh

The drivers ed guy "Crash"..

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by old_rider on 05/12/14 at 08:12:37

Well, in the AirForce... I dealt with missles and bombs... my nickname was "tripwire".....

:o

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by WD on 05/12/14 at 08:39:15

In the SeaBees, the guys saw my driver's license and flagger's card... I was "Manson"... ;D

Real me... http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y490/mphsgal/LISA-HP/Photos/Jeff/evilJeff101905_zps805f0c1a.jpg... had to shave and cut my hair for work down here in the Bible Belt... now look like a cop. >:(

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 07/08/14 at 20:47:25

Ok I have no more time to look for this. It'll have to go to the end of the line. At least it runs and as long as it stays on a Battery Tender whenever it's not running I'm good. However, what to do if I camp on the weekend? Could take off the p os or neg cable but any other suggestions?
As I type this everything is fine but the preview and probably the post are all screwed up. Anybody know what's happening here?

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by old_rider on 07/09/14 at 08:35:20

Did he put LED blinkers on your bike? or LED bulbs?
If so you will not really have to do anything, unless you want to put an electronic flasher relay in place of the flasher relay on the bike.
Its located under the tank on the right front, little 1" square black thing.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 07/09/14 at 09:57:06

3F3C342239343522500 wrote:

No LEDs anywhere. Tha nks for trying, but your reply doesn't address the issue, alternative ways to stop the battery drain overnight when no battery tender available.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by WD on 07/09/14 at 10:08:37

Get your battery load tested at an auto parts store. Sounds like you have a cell that has sulfated out or has a broken plate.

Looks like you had 2 issues get merged into one... :-?

Have you run your wiring harness yet to look for damage? A dead short in a damaged wire will kill a battery as well as causing turn signal issues. The Savage/S40 electrical system as shipped from the factory isn't very good. Think 1975 Yamaha w/o lighting coils... in other words, a direct knockoff of late 60s and early 70s Lucas (Prince of Darkness, let the smoke out of the wires and burn the bike to the ground with no warning) Brit bike parts. Every other issue with a Savage/S40 is an easy fix, but the "eclectrical" system is a whole other nightmare.

I lost the entire system on my 98 to the decomp relay internally shorting. So my custom in the making is now nothing more than a glorified parts roach. >:(

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by Dave on 07/09/14 at 10:45:03

Kuri:

If you continue to ride the bike without finding and correcting the
problem.....you are likely to cause more damage. And some of it could become expensive.

Take the time to find the problem....and fix it.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 07/11/14 at 17:46:35

7467230 wrote:

Already load tested battery and ok. Haven't gone thru whole harness yet but nothing obvious showing up.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 07/11/14 at 17:48:03

546F6275646873756E666B74070 wrote:

Kuri:
If you continue to ride the bike without finding and correcting the
problem.....you are likely to cause more damage. And some of it could become expensive.
Take the time to find the problem....and fix it.

Probably right so am taking the Voyager camping this weekend and try to work up some enthusiasm to go over the Savage again when I come back.

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 07/21/14 at 14:11:09

Well I found that a connector was apart so the light/brake problem is good. Battery died yesterday even on battery tender but the guy who worked on it provided it so don't know its history. Anyway the standard battery Yuasa YB14L-B2 appears to be close to the same as the attachment in size and electrical specs. Till I'm sure the problems are gone just want to get a cheapo to run. Anyone see why this would not be okay to use?

http://i61.tinypic.com/2mzerk.jpg

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by verslagen1 on 07/21/14 at 14:25:12

isn't the negative terminal supposed to be on the left?

Title: Re: weird electrics-brake flashes with l/r signals
Post by kuri77 on 07/21/14 at 14:36:33

It's set up same way I have it now. Don't remember if I switched the leads when I bought the small Odyssey that died. Except for that, any other reason not to use it?