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Message started by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 08:36:44

Title: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 08:36:44

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
http://www.heartcom.org/BelieveItOrNot.htm

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by Serowbot on 05/01/14 at 08:51:25

Believe it or not,.. that's an ad for a quack supplement...

So I'll be going with ...Not... ;D...

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 10:15:11

485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:

Believe it or not,.. that's an ad for a quack supplement...

So I'll be going with ...Not... ;D...

So what........ignore the supplement......the information in the article concerning prescription pharmaceutical drugs antibiotics, pesticides, sodium fluoride, vaccines, GMO's and neurotoxins is true.....but you are programmed to believe that natural medicines are bad >:( ...... Money making chemicals are good :( ......so be it........ ::)

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by Serowbot on 05/01/14 at 10:45:23

I am no more "programmed" to disbelieve these things, than you are, to believe them...

The difference is who is programming...
I choose to believe a thousand experts, over just a couple...
This is how I know the earth is not flat and moon isn't made of cheese.. :-?...

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 11:09:12

6A7C6B766E7B766D190 wrote:

I choose to believe a thousand experts, over just a couple...
This is how I know the earth is not flat and moon isn't made of cheese.. :-?...

I am glad that you are listening to experts instead of the government approved propaganda spokescritters. Now listen to these experts......
http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
http://911expertsspeakout.org/
http://911scholars.org/

6A7C6B766E7B766D190 wrote:

I choose to believe a thousand experts, over just a couple...
This is how I know the earth is not flat and moon isn't made of cheese.. :-?...

Which experts proved that the moon is not made of cheese? :)

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by verslagen1 on 05/01/14 at 11:56:12

I realize this is an "everything but the advertised subject" thread... but aren't you stretching it a bit Ratty?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 11:59:27

4C5F4849565B5D5F540B3A0 wrote:

I realize this is an "everything but the advertised subject" thread... but aren't you stretching it a bit Ratty?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by WebsterMark on 05/01/14 at 14:03:08

Believe it or not...?
Not.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 14:09:48

427077666170675874677E150 wrote:

Believe it or not...?
Not.

......that was certainly predictable.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by shorty on 05/01/14 at 14:17:32

I don't know Willie, don't force me to vote buddy ;)

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 14:23:59

27353A273B3A3133540 wrote:

I don't know Willie, don't force me to vote buddy ;)

Don't vote....get you balls to a doctor.......why are you still on line?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by Dane Allen on 05/01/14 at 16:18:59

655643535850605E5B5B5E52370 wrote:

[quote author=27353A273B3A3133540 link=1398958604/0#9 date=1398979052]I don't know Willie, don't force me to vote buddy ;)

Don't vote....get you balls to a doctor.......why are you still on line?[/quote]

Great, my co-workers had to come over and see why I burst out laughing so hysterically.

Nothing says natural medicine like taking a leak after handling poison ivy ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by shorty on 05/01/14 at 16:58:49

566570606B63536D68686D61040 wrote:

[quote author=27353A273B3A3133540 link=1398958604/0#9 date=1398979052]I don't know Willie, don't force me to vote buddy ;)

Don't vote....get you balls to a doctor.......why are you still on line?[/quote]

obama care isn't functioning at the local witch doctor's office...
I gotta work a week to pay the doc for 10 minutes of his time

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by Serowbot on 05/01/14 at 17:50:50

Webster, Shorty, and Versy are agreeing with me...
Did hell freeze over?... :-?...

Shorty,... did yer' nuts feel a sudden chill?... :-/...

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/01/14 at 19:01:10

Keep the area CLEAN and, most importantly, DRY (corn Starch in a sock).
Repeat until rash dried out and on the way to healing.
Call your local Health Food store and see if they have this:
http://www.altnature.com/bestchoiceforpoisonivy.htm
http://www.altnature.com/jewelweed.htm
Prescription for steroids are what you need at this point…..requires a doctor visit and dealing with Obama/Soetoro’s phuckup.
Over the counter relief:
aloe vera benedryl gel
Hydrocortisone cream

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/14 at 20:49:08

Harvard has recentl;y published a study on fluoride,, lowers IQ,.
Its NOT fluoride, not the one on the periodic table of elements.. What is put in drinking water is the waste from making fertilizer & aluminum,
Do yourself a favor,, go digging,

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by Serowbot on 05/01/14 at 21:02:45

Huh?... Wha'?... :-/...

:-?...

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 05:55:25

1204130E16030E15610 wrote:

Huh?... Wha'?... :-/...

:-?...

...........you've been lied to again by people pretending to be a government of/by/for the people........fluoride is a poison and you are being poison by a government pretending to care about you.
http://fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/

.........if they stop putting this poison in your water, then they are back to the original problem.......how to get rid of the waste created by aluminum manufacturing? ............let the people of all ages filter it thru their bodies seems like a great solution ........still agree? >:(

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/14 at 09:13:43

Row, Ive posted links to all this more than once. Ive STudied this. I havent simply accepted the government stance. I have too many times caught them lying, or being wrong,. Spend some time on this. Its not good stuff.. Skull & Bones on the door, on the bag, its poison, & why would anyone drink sunscreen to keep from getting a sunburn? So, Drinking this crap helps teeth? I found studies done in cities of approximate population, the fluorided one had about the same dental problems as the non-fluorided one, so, whats the point?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 09:29:41

7B646265787F4E7E4E76646823110 wrote:

the fluorided one had about the same dental problems as the non-fluorided one, so, whats the point?

.........convenient waste disposal.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/14 at 10:17:15

if they stop putting this poison in your water, then they are back to the original problem.......how to get rid of the waste created by aluminum manufacturing? ............let the people of all ages filter it thru their bodies seems like a great solution ........still agree? Angry

I'm sorry, clear something up for me. Are you saying aluminum manufacturers send their waste to drinking water so they can dispose of it and the fed's are in complete agreement with this as it helps them control the population somehow?

second question; have you ever been in an aluminum manufacturing plant?

third question: what's the largest plant you've been in?

fourth question: what is your personal background in manufacturing?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/14 at 10:40:28

WHY its there is for you to decide. That its poison is public & easy to access info. Thats a game people play when they cant accept a fact,, face it. REgardless of why its being put there, it is what it is, poison,,
America, land O th fray,Homo the brayve.,.,
YET, we have the sickest population, highest cancer rates & spend more on medical than anyone else.. NOw, why is that? Many reasons, lots of our food is toxic, but so is the water. Fluoridation has been scientifically proven to lower IQ.; Is more info needed to condemn the practice?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by Serowbot on 05/02/14 at 10:47:33

The problem with discussing conspiracy theories is,.. any information that doesn't support the theory is automatically deemed propaganda of the conspirators...
Do you see the futility in such argument?...
Such closed-mindedness insists only my evidence is acceptable...
Useless discussion... :-?...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_controversy

Quote:

Water fluoridation has frequently been the subject of conspiracy theories. During the "Red Scare" in the United States during the late 1940s and 1950s, and to a lesser extent in the 1960s, activists on the far right of American politics routinely asserted that fluoridation was part of a far-reaching plot to impose a socialist or communist regime. They also opposed other public health programs, notably mass vaccination and mental health services.[56] Their views were influenced by opposition to a number of major social and political changes that had happened in recent years: the growth of internationalism, particularly the UN and its programs; the introduction of social welfare provisions, particularly the various programs established by the New Deal; and government efforts to reduce perceived inequalities in the social structure of the United States.[57]

Some took the view that fluoridation was only the first stage of a plan to control the American people. Fluoridation, it was claimed, was merely a stepping-stone on the way to implementing more ambitious programs. Others asserted the existence of a plot by communists and the United Nations to "deplete the brainpower and sap the strength of a generation of American children". Dr. Charles Bett, a prominent anti-fluoridationist, charged that fluoridation was "better THAN USING THE ATOM BOMB because the atom bomb has to be made, has to be transported to the place it is to be set off while POISONOUS FLUORINE has been placed right beside the water supplies by the Americans themselves ready to be dumped into the water mains whenever a Communist desires!" Similarly, a right-wing newsletter, the American Capsule News, claimed that "the Soviet General Staff is very happy about it. Anytime they get ready to strike, and their 5th column takes over, there are tons and tons of this poison "standing by" municipal and military water systems ready to be poured in within 15 minutes."[9]

This viewpoint led to major controversies over public health programs in the US, most notably in the case of the Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act controversy of 1956.[58] In the case of fluoridation, the controversy had a direct impact on local programs. During the 1950s and 1960s, referendums on introducing fluoridation were defeated in over a thousand Florida communities. Although the opposition was overcome in time, it was not until as late as the 1990s that fluoridated water was drunk by the majority of the population of the United States.[56]

The communist conspiracy argument declined in influence by the mid-1960s, becoming associated in the public mind with irrational fear and paranoia. It was portrayed in Stanley Kubrick's 1964 film Dr. Strangelove, in which the character General Jack D. Ripper initiates a nuclear war in the hope of thwarting a communist plot to "sap and impurify" the "precious bodily fluids" of the American people with fluoridated water. Another satire appeared in the 1967 movie In Like Flint, in which a character's fear of fluoridation is used to indicate that he is insane. Some anti-fluoridationists claimed that the conspiracy theories were damaging their goals; Dr. Frederick Exner, an anti-fluoridation campaigner in the early 1960s, told a conference: "most people are not prepared to believe that fluoridation is a communist plot, and if you say it is, you are successfully ridiculed by the promoters. It is being done, effectively, every day ... some of the people on our side are the fluoridators' 'fifth column'."[9]

In 1987, Ian E. Stephens authored a self-published booklet, an extract of which was published in the Australian new age publication Nexus Magazine in 1995. In it he claimed he was told by and individual named "Charles Elliot Perkins" that: "Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him ... Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."

These statements have been dismissed by reputable Holocaust historians as untrue, but they are regularly repeated to the present day in conspiracy publications and websites.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by WebsterMark on 05/02/14 at 10:59:00

57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:

Let me clarify my position. It's not that I disagree about the health effects of fluoride or that it's not right to introduce a medical procedure in the water supply without permission. I would go back to what I've said before about yours and rats constant conspiracy theory announcements. All you guys do is rehash what other people write. I don't either of you are in a position where you can give expert testimony yourself. That's why was asking Rat what his background is. I went through all your 911 nonsense, refuted it as best I could, and you simply ignored it. Why would anyone listen to you further about another topic? Everything is big business trying to do this or big business trying to do that while neither of you have ever been involved with big business. You keep thinking all these guys work together behind closed doors and that's absolute nonsense.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 11:16:30

635156474051467955465F340 wrote:

I'm sorry, clear something up for me. Are you saying aluminum manufacturers send their waste to drinking water so they can dispose of it and the fed's are in complete agreement with this as it helps them control the population somehow?

Fluoride is a waste by product of manufacturing aluminum, Teflon, Freon and refining uranium to extract its most radioactive isotope. The original problem with what to do with fluoride began in the 1930’s with ALCOA (Aluminum Company of America), the only aluminum manufacturer in the U.S. then and the world's biggest fluoride polluter at that time.

So how did it wind up being place in drinking water?
Here’s some history and science………
It was discovered that fluoride caused tooth mottling especially in children near water sources with high concentrations of naturally occurring fluoride. Andrew Mellon, then Secretary of the Treasury, and the controlling shareholder of ALCOA sent Public Health Service scientist Trendley Dean out west to study the effects fluoride had on dental molting. Trendley Dean was also the first director of the National Institute of Dental Research. Needless to say he was supposed to find that fluoride was safe. Not only did he return with a report that fluoride was safe, but he fudged numbers to conclude that it was helpful to teeth. Dean was specifically assigned to investigate the damage a particular chemical did to teeth, but somehow concluded that the chemical was actually good for teeth. Basically Dean’s Dean concluded that as children’s teeth disintegrate, they may have fewer cavities.
Well that was what the ALCOA scientist Gerald Cox wanted to hear. Cox started the ball rolling to get the waste product added to the nations drinking water supply.
It was ironic that the Public Health Service had spent ten years trying to eliminate fluorine ions from the water supply, given the tooth mottling findings. Now the largest manufacturer of the poison was working to increase it in the water. ….as always, big business and bribes win governments approval over health concerns of us taxpaying peons.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 11:17:40

546661707766714E627168030 wrote:

second question; have you ever been in an aluminum manufacturing plant?

No..........why?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 11:19:05

1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote:

third question: what's the largest plant you've been in?

what does it matter?

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 11:21:10

6D5F58494E5F48775B48513A0 wrote:

fourth question: what is your personal background in manufacturing?

Yes....after the Navy I was Senior Electronics Technician and Lab Technician at a manufacturing plant. I made the prototypes that the engineers deigned. I ran various tests such as putting the circuits in oven and testing to electrical characteristics to see how heat, cold, vacuum and such affected them. I created modifications as needed by varying things such as capacitance, inductance and resistance to make the circuits preform to military specifications.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by shorty on 05/02/14 at 12:40:21

Willie,
my very close friend and riding buddy quotes the same flouride and 911 articles as you and I love the old guy but we disagree..
Don't get mad but some of this stuff is just too wacky for me.

I'm no fan of big government either but gee-wiz buddy :o

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 12:54:25

2C3E312C30313A385F0 wrote:

Sounds like you have a very wise friend.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by North Country on 05/02/14 at 18:37:08

Mr. Willie sir, you must learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. Not everything is safe, and not everything is poisonous.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/02/14 at 18:40:41

51595846484E2B0 wrote:

Mr. Willie sir, you must learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. Not everything is safe, and not everything is poisonous.

???????? ......... did I say everything is poison.....nope... I did not.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by North Country on 05/02/14 at 19:23:34

Very well sir, point taken. Now I am sure we agree om some things here, consider this:

Unfit for Human Consumption:

How nearly 9 million pounds of bad meat escaped into the food supply

PETALUMA, CALIFORNIA - Earlier this year, a dusty little slaughterhouse in Northern California was ground zero for one of the biggest meat recalls in years. Rancho Feeding Corp. had called back nearly 9 million pounds of bad meat from thousands of unsuspecting stores across the country.

The story of how millions of pounds of bad meat – products the U.S. Department of Agriculture called “unfit for human food” - made it out into the world and triggered a criminal investigation is one of staggering deception and cancerous cows, federal officials familiar with the investigation tell CNN. And the plant where it all went down was also the setting for an illicit romance, according to documents obtained by CNN.

Federal investigators started surveillance on the California facility after getting a tip from a former Rancho employee. In January, federal marshals raided the Petaluma plant and seized the company's records. Days later, the first recall notice went out, officials said.

Investigators now believe that Rancho was buying diseased dairy cows and processing them when government inspectors weren’t there. After the cows were killed, employees would hide the warning signs of cancer by trimming off diseased parts, using a fake stamp of approval or even replacing the heads of sick cows with ones from healthy animals. It’s unclear which employees were involved, officials said.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/14 at 20:45:42

http://fluoridealert.org/studies/brain03/

Hey, NC,, You keep prattl;ing on as if youve something worth listening to, yet, youve failed to address even one point Ive laid out for you. You want to be listened to>? Stand your ground, defend your position. So far, youre just a keyboard in the mist, typing talking points. I can get everything you say in a hundred places.. & theyre wrong, too.,. Go back, read the questions I bothered to type.. Im not gonna stop till you face them., If you cant handle it, then I guess you need to rethink,, oops, sorry, Youve Never actually Thought,, youve been taught,, anyway, either change positions or show me why youre right,

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by North Country on 05/02/14 at 21:07:06

Mr. guy 2, please enlighten me on just what it is you wish me to elaborate on. But please do not waste my time in imploring me to repost information already covered. Secondly, whatever information you may be at odds with, please do your own research sir.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/14 at 21:28:53

Really? I laid out several things for you to reploy to, not one did you respond to. & no thanks,, Im not gonna go dig them up.. you remember them,, I posted them, you left for a few days,, coincidence, Im sure,,
as for research, Ive done it,, I didnt just let someone tell me what to believe, I went digging for info on my own,, I had no lefty college profs telling me what to believe,

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by North Country on 05/03/14 at 21:04:20

Mr. guy 2 sir, I apologize for not knowing what you are talking about most of the time. Please ignore my posts if they confuse or offend you.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by RatdogWillie on 05/04/14 at 05:43:24

575F5E404E482D0 wrote:

Mr. guy 2 sir, I apologize for not knowing what you are talking about most of the time. Please ignore my posts if they confuse or offend you.

Not knowing what you are talking about certainly doesn't seem to affect your expressing uninformed opinions.

Title: Re: BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Post by raydawg on 05/04/14 at 07:23:19

796F78657D68657E0A0 wrote:

Webster, Shorty, and Versy are agreeing with me...
Did hell freeze over?... :-?...

Shorty,... did yer' nuts feel a sudden chill?... :-/...

Not bad Bot, two outta 3 right, earth ain't flat, no cheddar moon, but hell will always be hot :P