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Title: Fat Front tire? Post by S-P on 04/29/14 at 20:23:30 This picture was posted in the Cafe. It looks like stock rim and forks. Any idea how to get a fat front tire like that? LUUUV it! http://www.motorcykelgalleri.dk/galleri/35754-suzuki_ls_650_savage |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/14 at 20:35:04 Sorry, dude,, Ive got no idea how to get such a tar,, I DO, however, have one question. How do you like the nimble feel of the bike, as is? |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by S-P on 04/29/14 at 21:00:49 6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 wrote:
The stock tires are fine. I don't ride like a bat out of heck, so I'm sure I wouldn't notice the difference between tires unless it was REALLY "off". I just like the look of the fat front tire. But I gotta say, after bobbing my first one I do like having a front fender and not getting sprayed with mud going through a gutter.... ;) |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by S-P on 04/29/14 at 21:19:02 From Google translate it looks like the front tire is a Metzler 130-80-15 and rear tire is 140-80-15. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/14 at 21:20:18 Well,, if youre not out there playing in corners seeing if today you can manage another 2 MPH on the exit & youre generally just loafing, not dragging pegs, then a wide Ol tar just mite do ya fine,, You can PUT a fender on it,, you mite hafta find a rear fender off something & do some hackin & jackin,,but, hey,, save it for winter,, I would probably get tire dimensions & find out exactly what youre gonna need to do to get it on the bike, then get a fender & work it out, then, get the tire.. cuz I KNOW I dont wanna ride w/o a front fender,, especially behind such a wide muck chucker. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by S-P on 04/29/14 at 22:06:24 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
Well... I live in Phoenix, so the worst water I ride through is through a curb in my neighborhood when someone is draining their pool. Though I do recall hitting a patch of two foot wide inch deep water on a main street once when a sprinkler head broke near the sidewalk. No matter... ;) it still didn't look good when I arrived where I was going. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/14 at 22:33:22 Man, Ive had sand & grit fly up under my chin on dry roads,I dont dig it,, If I had kept mine I woulda gone for the Verslavy & a mud flap a-la Rowboat Ya, I vent & luket at the site,,he seems to wig out a bit at low speeds.. Topfart: 130 km/t I think he said he farts at 80.6 MPH.. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Michael L on 04/29/14 at 22:40:11 Hey S-P Actually, it was the previous owner who did most of the work on this bike.. What he did was lacing a stock rear rim to the front hub - Here's a link to both his bike, and project gallery of the bike - let me know if you are able to view the pictures, and if you have any questions, I can try and write him a message. http://www.motorcykelgalleri.dk/galleri/32095-suzuki_ls_650_savage_solgt http://www.motorcykelgalleri.dk/fotoalbum/stylingprojekter/12710-savage_projekt |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Michael L on 04/29/14 at 22:42:34 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
exactly ;) ;D |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/14 at 22:45:23 Ohh NO! Im Busted! Yea, well,, Ima smartass,, what can I say? |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by verslagen1 on 04/29/14 at 23:02:22 2C3335322F2819291921333F74460 wrote:
I've farted at speed... sure wished it cleared traffic in front of me ::) |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Dave on 04/30/14 at 03:17:06 S-P: If you want to try that.....it would not be too hard if you can lace a wheel....sorta. Front hubs are readily available.....$ 20 - $ 30 shipped on eBay. Rear rims are readily available from anyone doing a Cafe' conversion. I gave my rear rim away....they aren't worth nuttin'. One potential issue is the angle of the holes for the spoke nipples. The rear wheel has a drum brake hub....the front is a spool for a disc brake. The angles of the holes in the rim may not be ideal for just switching the rim to the front......the spoke angle on the rear rim is pretty severe. You will also need a custom set of spokes that will run about $ 110. This is a project you can work on with spare parts.....and you can still leave your bike together while you work on it. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/30/14 at 07:20:23 Yea, but that angle thing,, dang,, BIG difference between front & rear spoke angles. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by EJID on 04/30/14 at 07:37:07 Here's the side by side of front tires old vs new... http://mc.webgallerier.dk/album/fuldskaerm/46/225585-savage-projekt |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Dave on 04/30/14 at 07:46:13 That doesn't look like the stock rear rim (painted black) to me. Doesn't it look like there is a rolled lip on the outside edge of the rim? |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/30/14 at 07:50:43 Can ya see how the spokes are comin out well enough? Thats where it looks like a stock rear to me, I cant remember the lip,, if I want to remember lip, I give someone some,that way, they remember it too,, |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Dave on 04/30/14 at 09:37:55 Hey.....It looks like the stock rear rim does have a lip on it! (My bike hasn't had a stock wheel rim for about 1.5 years.....I forgot what it looked like). |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by S-P on 04/30/14 at 18:20:59 46793C3F3A3A0A0 wrote:
Ah! That makes sense... but it's also more work than I want to do for "looks". If it was just puttin' on a new tire, sure... but not if it means spending money I don't have and time I could be making money (self-employed). Thanks for the reply, it made the decision a LOT easier! ;) |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by WD on 04/30/14 at 23:38:44 Take a really close look at the 15" "front" rim's spokes... that's a big time failure in the making. The spoke nipples come through the rim just fine, but the spokes themselves are bent... stress point... going to snap... |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/14 at 08:22:52 http://mc.webgallerier.dk/album/fuldskaerm/46/225585-savage-projekt Yea, WD makes a fine osbervation there,, Not even hard to see,, I was so focused on the rim itself, I missed it.. WD, anyone? Could that work if longer spokes were used & the lacing done to reach farther on around the hub? Or maybe drill out the rim some? Or both? But as is,, Snot a good lookin arrangement, at all.. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Dave on 05/01/14 at 09:23:00 I have laced up 2 front wheels.....they are boogers. Instead of having inside and outside spokes.....everything gets pushed in from the outside toward the inside. On the rear wheel you can shove the inside spokes in first and lace them up with only half the spokes in place, and it is easy to move things around and not get in the way of anything.....then you push the other spokes toward the outside and there is nothing in the way. On the front wheel everything goes in from the outside....and it is a pixie stick nightmare trying to get them in the right place. I had to keep undoing and redoing spokes in order to add more.....I suppose there is a way to install them in sets of 4 and work your way around the wheel....and maybe on the next one I could figure that out. Trying to move the spokes around on the hub to the next hole probably would not be possible....or you would have to start curving the spoke around the hub. I think the best scenario is buy a 15" wheel that has the spoke holes punched at the correct angle for a spool type hub. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/14 at 20:39:15 Well,, I asked! Thanks, Dave, |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Dave on 05/02/14 at 03:22:43 Call me old fashioned.....or just a bit of a nervous nelly. I don't like screwing around with my wheels and trying to make something work that ends up with a less than perfect result. I don't like making the spoke holes in my rim oval with a drill so I can change the spoke angle, and I don't like installing spokes at a bad angle and having the spokes forced into a small arc. My wheels are one of the things that keeps me and the asphalt apart. They are what tranfers the force of the motor or brakes to the rubber. If you intend to just show the bike and not ride it out of the parking lot, then I guess durability is not an issue. You might be able to find a 15" rim with 36 holes that was made for a bike with drum brakes that could work - or you have to spend $ 200 getting a new rim with the proper spoke angle, and spend another $100 for a custom spoke set.....and then either lace it up yourself or spend $ 100 with someone else to do it for you. Changing rims on wheel hubs is a $ 300 - $ 400 process.......but if you want to be cool and safe....that is what it takes. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/14 at 09:22:19 Well,, you can be safe & still not be exactly cool, but ya cant be cool AND UNsafe.. cuz Unsafe just aint cool, man,, |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Michael L on 05/02/14 at 09:42:12 Talking about the front wheel lacing - the other day I noticed that the spoke pattern on my front wheel looked asymetric? Like at some areas it looks different than on others - shouldn't the spoke pattern be even all the way around? |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Dave on 05/02/14 at 09:49:08 794603000505350 wrote:
The spokes are in a pattern of 4's that repeats. The gap between those sets is bigger than the gap within those sets. Your drawing has 2 sets of 4 spokes in circle TWO.....then in circle ONE you are not staying within a 2 sets of 4.....but are including spokes from adjoining sets (2 spokes on the uphill and 2 spokes from the downhill set. (Notice that you only have 6 spokes between your circles....you need 8). There is nothing wrong with your wheel.....you are drawing your circles wrong. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Michael L on 05/02/14 at 10:10:44 But isn't it true, that the visual pattern aren't the same all the way around, compared to this wheel ? That's how I thought a laced wheel SHOULD look like, when laced correctly.. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Dave on 05/02/14 at 10:40:04 7D4207040101310 wrote:
A large brake drum wheel hub moves the point where the spokes cross nearer to the midway point between the hub and rim. On the disc brake wheel hub the place where the spokes cross is closer to the wheel hub. It is something you are just going to have to accept. The Savage has a drum rear brake and a disc front brake....the spoke patterns will not look identicle. |
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Title: Re: Fat Front tire? Post by Michael L on 05/04/14 at 07:08:24 Think I get the picture now - thanks for clarifying! |
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