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Message started by Ragnar444 on 04/18/14 at 20:59:34

Title: Body armor
Post by Ragnar444 on 04/18/14 at 20:59:34

About to get behind the handlebars again after a good 25 years. Feeling just a bit of trepidation. Any suggestions on quality body armor, Kevlar jeans and stuff?

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by runwyrlph on 04/19/14 at 08:19:51

Steel Toed boots!  - pretty sure they saved my foot!

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by oldNslow on 04/19/14 at 09:00:12

I've been wearing these. Not actually made for motorcycling but they are much tougher than regular denim jeans.

http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mens-fire-hose-5-pocket-jeans-86125.aspx?ev3=recommended_search

For a jacket I've got one of these and I like it. Armor in the shoulders, elbows and back. lots of pockets, and a nice zip in liner.

Only thing I don't like is that it's pretty heavy and not all that comfortable if I'm  wearing it off the bike for any length of time. Been caught out in the rain with it a couple of times and I stayed dry. It's got good vents on the arms chest and back but I think it might  be too warm for stop and go type traffic on a really hot day. That's not really a problem where I am but it might be something to consider depending where you ride.

http://www.revzilla.com/product/tour-master-rincon-jacket

Looks like they're out of stock at this place but I just posted the link for the picture.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Serowbot on 04/19/14 at 09:03:20

FF helmet... 100%...

Heavy leather will survive pavement...

"Armor"...(not really armor, just foam and plastic pads)... can help a little if you hit an immovable object...
It can also cause more damage than it helps, if it don't fit right... fit has to be tight so that pads are immobile
Textile, even Kevlar, will shred on pavement...

I wear boots with ankle covered, but one's that don't restrict ankle movement... if you restrict ankle movement, all pressures will be transferred to knees and hips...(rather have a broken ankle)...

Jeans don't slide, but what else you gonna' wear?...

Some gloves of course... I wear fingerless mostly... less protection, but palms and knuckles are most important...

That said,... my most serious crash, I was wearing a t-shirt,
with boots, gloves, and FF....
Sometimes it's just too hot.... :P...


Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Ragnar444 on 04/19/14 at 13:23:36

Thanks for the advice. Here is a website that popped up as an add on facebook that got we wondering. Seemed like a good investment.

http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/catalog/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=Profound_leg&tutm_campaign=BAP_Similar_Users&utm_expid=13087878-8.e_3ai5XgRj-PGw_oNnCqDw.0

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/19/14 at 13:39:46

I was wearin a khaki welders shirt from TRactor supply when I went a slidin,, I guess I made about 50 feet or so before I landed on the bike in the ditch,, the spinning wheel cooked parts of a circle on it..It was slightly frayed in a coupla places, I still wear it. I had leather chaps on the legs.
Ive totaled 3 bikes, 2, no helmet, first one, IF Id been wearing a helmet, I woulda died from a busted neck. Second one, I didnt hit my head, 3rd one, I slammed face first into the cab corner of a pickup & bent it pretty good.. I suspect had I not been wearing a FF helmet I woulda, at best, lost my teeth & needed facial reconstructive surgery.
All that said, I owuldnt get on a bike w/o leather gloves, cuz you go down, youre usin those hands,,& a full co\verage helmet,, Lookm up the Hurt report, I think thats it, shows where most damage gets done,, & man, the face takes a beating on average..

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by pgambr on 04/19/14 at 14:04:19

I have a jacket and over pants from First Gear, this has been a real good investment.  Good quality stuff at a somewhat reasonable price.  With an inner liner you can remove when it is hot and vents in the summer it is a keep.  I would buy it again and would recommend you at least looking at their other products.

www.firstgear-usa.com


Title: Re: Body armor
Post by oldNslow on 04/19/14 at 14:32:33


0734323B3427616161550 wrote:
Thanks for the advice. Here is a website that popped up as an add on facebook that got we wondering. Seemed like a good investment.

http://www.bohn-armor-pants.com/catalog/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=Profound_leg&tutm_campaign=BAP_Similar_Users&utm_expid=13087878-8.e_3ai5XgRj-PGw_oNnCqDw.0


I've looked at those too. Seems like they might be worthwhile, but they are kinda pricey.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by S-P on 04/19/14 at 15:10:47


445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
All that said, I owuldnt get on a bike w/o leather gloves, cuz you go down, youre usin those hands,,& a full co\verage helmet,, Lookm up the Hurt report, I think thats it, shows where most damage gets done,, & man, the face takes a beating on average..


Yeah, you can get obsessive about the kinds of potential accidents you might get into and end up suiting up like Ironman. Here in AZ when temps hit 115 I'm not wearing a full Kevlar jacket and leathers. But then I don't wear my seat belt in any of my cars, so I'm not a good guage of what's cool with safety....

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Serowbot on 04/19/14 at 15:47:53

Temps go past 110' and I try not to go anywhere, even in a car with air... ;D...

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by gizzo on 04/19/14 at 15:55:48

Draggin' Jeans. The best Kevlar lined pants. They're great.
https://www.dragginjeans.net/
I like that they're long in the leg so when you're on the bike they don't ride up and freeze your ankles.
Any good quality bike jacket with body armour is a good idea. I'm wearing Dri-Rider waxed cotton jacket, which offers decent protection, or an old school brando jacket. My other half wears a modern kit with body armour and I think it saved her grief when she went down the road a while ago. I guess it depends on how lucky you feel on the day? Some people like JoG are pretty lucky I guess.
Gloves, every time.
Helmet, yep.
Boots, if I feel like it.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by anebv8 on 04/19/14 at 18:36:29

I use dri rider jacket n trousers,look similar to the jacket in oldNslow's post. On a hot day when ya wear bugger all underneath it,it rubs the hell outta ya when walking around...moral of the story...don't stop or park closer to the door of the bar  ;) (must add here that when on my bike's,it's top shelf raspberry and coke only,alcohol free rider) but the chicks at the bars love the ol savage  8-)

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by ToesNose on 04/19/14 at 19:40:16

Best thing I've ever purchased was my leather jacket with the TFL cool system, they are hard to find in the states but well worth the money.  It gets pretty hot here in N.C.  through the summer and the only time I get warm wearing it on the bike is stopped at a long light.  I normally run hot myself, but this jacket is awesome. Besides that FF helmet, full finger gloves vented in the summer, boots with good ankle movement as Serow pointed out, and reinforced jeans or leather pants when it's cold.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by WD on 04/19/14 at 23:10:46

The day the government mandates full face helmets is the day my bikes hit the metal shredder... I still take off my helmet as soon as I hit a freedom of choice state or a rally. Hate wearing the things.

At most, half helmet in the spring-summer-fall and a 3/4 shell in the winter. Some kind of torso leather if it is under 80, over 100 degrees F, I'm likely shirtless. Lace on boots or jackboots. Jeans, sometimes with chaps, sometimes without.

Armored leathers or textile? I don't do track days anymore, sent all that junk to the landfill after other riders took what they could use.

If you show up at my house, on a cruiser, wearing a full face helmet, you're leaving on your own... I will not ride with someone who has that much fear.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by ToesNose on 04/20/14 at 07:21:18

Hmmm for me it's not about fear, it's about what if the worst case scenario happens, I want to be there for my son afterwards if it does happen  ;)  that's why I wear a FF helmet, sorry I'm not welcome at your place then WD, I think we'd get on just fine.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by runwyrlph on 04/20/14 at 09:44:39


0417530 wrote:


If you show up at my house, on a cruiser, wearing a full face helmet, you're leaving on your own... I will not ride with someone who has that much fear.



... Or if a guy shows up on a Beemer, and his jacket and pants don't match the bike's paint!  That dude's got no sense of style!!

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by WD on 04/20/14 at 10:21:34

Full face on a cruiser generally means one of two things, you are either  scared and really need to rethink whether or not riding is for you, or you're a club member hiding from facial recognition cameras.

I can see a full face for track days, and since even the vintage racing classes mostly require their usage, my vintage racing bike resto project went to a breaker for part out. I dislike full face helmets that much. I literally posted an ad saying that folks had one week to pick it up or it was heading to the metal shredder... It was rehomed in under an afternoon.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by oldNslow on 04/20/14 at 11:15:16


Quote:
Full face on a cruiser generally means one of two things, you are either  scared and really need to rethink whether or not riding is for you, or you're a club member hiding from facial recognition cameras.


Or it may just mean that you ride somewhere i'ts chilly most of the time. I have a FF and a 3/4 style helmet and the FF is significantly warmer. It's also quieter. I can wear it without wearing ear plugs.

The 3/4 gets worn on those rare days that it's actually hot around here. "Scared" hasn't got Sh*t to do with it.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by anebv8 on 04/20/14 at 22:33:37


1A094D0 wrote:
Full face on a cruiser generally means one of two things, you are either  scared and really need to rethink whether or not riding is for you, or you're a club member hiding from facial recognition cameras.



mmmm,scared?,nup..club member? nup..so where do I fit in?
I have a full face because I can interchange between my 2 bikes,for comfort,and I got sick of those darn bugs hitting my face,also,with visor down,I ain't getting hit in the face with stones n crap from other vehicles

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by runwyrlph on 04/21/14 at 14:57:05


0417530 wrote:
... Lace on boots or jackboots. Jeans, sometimes with chaps, sometimes without.

Armored leathers or textile? I don't do track days anymore, sent all that junk to the landfill after other riders took what they could use.

If you show up at my house, on a cruiser, wearing a full face helmet, you're leaving on your own... I will not ride with someone who has that much fear.



I've never been scared enough that I had to wear chaps...
;)

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Ragnar444 on 04/21/14 at 15:46:22

Once, when I was young and dumb, I had too make a split second decision in the pouring rain. I was approaching a stop sign at a busy intersection going way to fast. I could either lay down the bike and stop in time or jam on the brakes and come to a stop well past it.
Had I been wear protective clothing I may have made a wiser choice.  :-/

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by arteacher on 04/21/14 at 16:28:24

I bought a Shoe (sp) FF helmet with beautiful dragons on it. I wore it home from the store and that was it. I feel claustrophobic in it, and I would rather look at it than wear it.
In cooler weather I wear a heavy leather motorcycle jacket, sometimes chaps, and an open face helmet with a face warmer. In hot weather I wear a Joe Rocket mesh jacket with armor in the shoulders and elbows.
When I was young and foolish I decided to ride to the store in shorts, a tee and sandals. They had put down stone and oil at the entrance to the mall and down I went, splitting between my big toe and scraping up my entire right side. Went to the store for the milk, went home and stood in the shower  bleeding while my wife picked stones out of my arm and leg with tweezers. Then I went to emerge to get my foot sewn up.. Glad I had a helmet on.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Ragnar444 on 04/21/14 at 17:14:03

I am completely committed to the idea of wearing a full face helmet and as dark a visor as possible.  But then again I am not the best looking guy in the world...  :P

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by WD on 04/21/14 at 17:29:05


6D7A646A6A6670090 wrote:
[quote author=0417530 link=1397879974/0#13 date=1397974246]
... Lace on boots or jackboots. Jeans, sometimes with chaps, sometimes without.

Armored leathers or textile? I don't do track days anymore, sent all that junk to the landfill after other riders took what they could use.

If you show up at my house, on a cruiser, wearing a full face helmet, you're leaving on your own... I will not ride with someone who has that much fear.



I've never been scared enough that I had to wear chaps...
;)[/quote]

Keeps my work pants clean(er) than w/o them. And keeps them off the exhaust pipe. Can't wear jeans at my job, in itself normally a good reason to NOT accept employment in my eye.

Clean shaven, short haired, black work pants... look like a highway patrol motor officer... if the drivers I keep scaring only knew... I do plan to 2 tone out the bikelet, black and cream, and get a cream or gold 1/2 helmet...   ;D

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by stinger on 04/21/14 at 17:44:34

In all my years of riding I have gone down twice. The last time was a couple of years ago when my buddy started to leave a stop sign and stopped suddenly. I plowed into him at about 5 mph. The hardest hit I have ever taken by far. other than a broken hand and fingers and developing fluid around my heart, the worst blow would have been to my face which I face planted into the corner of his hard bags. Shattered my full face shield but my face is still intact. When I was in the hospital getting my hand fixed the ER doctor who also rides, told me he has had riders come in with no lips, eye brows, chin,  nose or skin left on their face because of half helmets. They only work if you land on the top of your head. I have a GMAX helmet that allows me to ride if I choose with the shield full up at 70 mph with no buffeting. I ride like that alot but I at least still have the chin guard to protect me. I'll stick to the full face.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Boofer on 04/21/14 at 20:34:30

I finally found a FF that worked with my glasses--Fulmer Modus with flip up chin bar. Love it! I noticed it seemed much heavier than my open face with shield, but the aerodynnamics must be different. It feels light when riding, and fits perfect. Quiet, too. As for fear, people with good sense who ride know motorcycles are 35 times more deadly when compared to wrecks in cars. I doubt they are fearful. Just careful to see that they respect their families and friends enough to stay in good shape for them.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by MMRanch on 04/21/14 at 20:57:19

Hay  ,  Those full face are nice in cold weather .    With a face mask and the lid closed on full face 40 degree weather ain't bad.   But when the temps go up , the smaller helmets come out .  :)

To each his own ...

Leather chaps are cheep and offer good protection ... even in warm weather.   I'm going to check-out that welders shirt ?  :-?


Title: Re: Body armor
Post by gizzo on 04/24/14 at 21:08:41

Full face is also good for keeping sunburn at bay, not having to wear sunnies, keeping out wasps and bees and to exercise your Right To Choose. That said, I usually wear a streetfighter lid on the Cabbage, LAPD shorty and Nannini goggles on the cafe' bikes, a MotoX fullface on my DR and a fullface on the Monster, if I'm touring or its really cold. Gotta dress the part don'tcher know?
I would not, could not, go shirtless like WD. Just not tuff enough I'm afraid. Do they call those people "squids" in the states, like here?

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by HAPPYDAN on 04/26/14 at 20:46:26

Get it. Wear it. Now for a true story. Wife and I were driving west on HWY 2, just east of Stevens Pass. Passed a big V-twin lying on its side, wheels turning. Passed a woman lying face down on pavement, hit the brakes, grabbed the cell and 1st aid kit, bailed out. 20 yards up saw a man lying on his back, and 20 yards further a dead deer. Both man and woman were wearing full riding suits with CE armor. Both were in shock - but - she only had a minor abrasion on her wrist, and he only had a broken ankle. Lots of torn fabric, but both were relatively OK. That stuff works.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Serowbot on 04/26/14 at 23:17:49

If you got a $10 brain, get a $10 helmet...
If you got a $10 face,.. scraping it along 80ft of asphalt ain't gonna' help...

If you got a $2 face, and a brain worth pocket change...
You better protect that thing with the finest available technology...

If you have a face or brain worth more than $10,... why are riding a motorcycle?... :-?...


Title: Re: Body armor
Post by WD on 04/27/14 at 08:35:37

True story. 2nd wife got tapped on her Harley. Grain truck coming out of a field at a low rate of speed, drunk behind the wheel did not look before reaching the road. Knocked the bike into the ditch, where it flopped over on its side. Not a mark on Trish... unless you count the broken neck that killed her, coroner laid the blame on the full face helmet she was wearing.

Helmets kill.

True story. Kid I grew up with was into vintage dirt bike racing, at sanctioned events. His last race he got tapped by another competitor, bike got sideways and went down. His neck snapped as soon as his head hit the ground.

Helmets kill.

True story. My high school friend Mike bought my great grandmother's 64 Nova SS. Took it drag racing, on a legit NHRA sanctioned track. Had all the required, current spec, passed tech inspection safety crap. Blew a rear tire at 65 mph, car hit the wall, head whipped forward, his neck broke.

Helmets kill.


Title: Re: Body armor
Post by gizzo on 04/27/14 at 14:42:29

Sorry for your losses, WD. But spare a thought for all the people that they saved. My lid has saved me in some big MX getoffs. My wife went down the road on her Monster a few months back. Fullface lid, jacket with armour and gloves took the pain on her behalf. I'm glad as heck she was wearing the gear.
Safe riding, y'all.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Dave on 04/28/14 at 09:40:22

Several times I have started to post a reply here....then stopped.  After 3 pages of replies I am not sure what I can say to add anything helpful.  However I just saw that a rider was killed in Cincinnati last week.  Not sure what led up to the crash which I assume was not high speed as it was downton.  The sport bike hit the right side of an SUV turning into a parking lot.....not sure if the SUV driver didn't signal, the bike rider was going too fast to stop or attempted to lane split or pass on the right.  The bike looked fully intact and just looked like it tipped over - the SUV had a small scuff on the side.....the driver did not have a helmet on and was killed in what appeared to be a pretty minor bump.

Yesterday I went for a nice long ride on the Cafe' bike out in the country.  The road winds along a creek valley for a while, then climbs up to the ridge.....lots of nice curves.  I had on a full face helmet, armored mesh jacket, boots, and gloves with knuckle armor.  I had my collar slightly open....at first.  I am allergic to bees,  and when I hit some stingy bug it fell to the place where my leg touches the tank.....and I got a short sting before I could pull my leg away from the tank and let it go.  Later on a couple of bugs hit me really hard on the neck....and I stopped and buttoned my collar.  On several occasions the bugs were so big I could see them coming and duck out of their way in time!

Maybe it is all my hours of wearing protective gear when I raced dirt bikes in my youth, or the fact that my leisurely rides somehow end up being somewhat spirited.....but I just am not confortable without gear while riding.  The full face helmet feels great to me and I would not ride without it........as I don't want B29 bugs smashing into my face at speed.  I doubt that I will ever ride in full leathers - but I might get some of that Underarmor for protecting my legs!

Since I don't have a car wrapped around me.....the safety gear just makes me feel that I have a bit better chance of surviving a slide or impact.  It is a lottery of sorts......I am taking my chances that the helmet will protect me more than hurt me.  Just like the oil you choose to use in your bike......gear is a personal choice.


Title: Re: Body armor
Post by old_rider on 04/28/14 at 10:24:42

Yeah kinda like me last year in geogia on the way up there..... my little spill only skinned my knee... but I busted my spine picking it up!

I am on and off with gear... here I live off of a major 4 lane death trap, sirens between 3:30pm till about 6:30 pm EVERY DAY! I kid you not.

The speed limit is 55 on the road I pull out on, and between morning traffic 6-8am and at 3-6pm it is balls to the wall 75-80mph and most are military driving big ass suv's or 4 X 4 trucks. Very intimdating riding if you are not very experienced, my wife leaves early for work to miss traffic and is nervous on her returns in the afternoon, but since traffic is backed up mostly in the afternoon she mainly has to look out for people not paying attention to the go/stop, go/stop routine.

On weekend if I am riding the savage, on occasion I will not wear a helmet or leather jacket.... little less traffic, little less gear....

I always drive like they are out to kill me.... cause about 60% are!

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Ragnar444 on 05/07/14 at 16:04:28

Thanks for the input. Full helmets can kill, of that I am convinced. But how many more lives have been saved because of them? I truly believe they save more people than they have killed. Also driving a bike in your 50's is a lot different than when you are in your teen years or early 20's.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by BalingWire on 06/20/14 at 14:31:18

Leather m/c jacket and chaps and a yellow high viz full face helmet for me. Here's why:

(the following is found on several other forums)

From RiDE mag, November 2011. Purely abrasion resistance tests performed by SATRA, with no armour inserts fitted. They don't specify a simulated road speed, just the relative times to wear through the trousers. Average times are shown, the article has details for knee / thigh / arse times:

Hein Gericke Reno leather jeans: 4.74 seconds
Draggin' Biker kevlar jeans: 3.07 seconds
Hornee kevlar jeans: 1.39 seconds
Rev'it Sand textile trousers: 0.71 seconds
Levi stonewash 501s: 0.56 seconds
Tesco Cherokee jeans: 0.16 seconds

Full face, because 45% of the time, your chin or schnoz is on the big belt sander.

The helmet graphic is from www.health.ny.gov/prevention/injury_prevention/children/toolkits/motorcycles/docs/motorcycle_helmets_420x187.png

I went high visibility yellow, because it is going to match the future color scheme on my bike. So I'll still look Übercool, always a top priority.  8-)

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by terpfan1980 on 06/24/14 at 12:37:51


3F252123221C2D3E383E25282B294C0 wrote:
Sorry for your losses, WD. But spare a thought for all the people that they saved. My lid has saved me in some big MX getoffs. My wife went down the road on her Monster a few months back. Fullface lid, jacket with armour and gloves took the pain on her behalf. I'm glad as heck she was wearing the gear.
Safe riding, y'all.


I laid down my Dyna at low speed (less than 15 MPH, more in the 5 - 10 MPH range) and landed on my left side.  The jacket came out looking like this:
http://https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10298548_577443212354238_4551239881151715160_o.jpg

The helmet came out looking like this:
http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/1502276_577443125687580_3153098945609465245_o.jpg


I broke my humerus (arm bone) in the ball at the top.  No padding there, no real armor there.  The pads on the elbow weren't aligned properly for me because the jacket was over-sized to cover my gut.  Had they been in the right place, I might have bounced up off the pavement ready to ride rather than feeling like someone had just cut my arm off at the shoulder.

The picture of the helmet doesn't do justice to the scrapes that the shield (open face, 3/4 style) took.  If the shield wasn't there I'd likely have earned the nickname "one-eye" or something close to that, and I'd certainly be sporting an uglier mug than I do now (not that it could get much worse, but hey...)


As you've noted, and as I read through when I was catching up on this thread, some will insist - as my grandmother did about wearing seatbelts - that the safety equipment is more dangerous than going without.  I support, within reason, their right to make their own choices but I stand by the idea that generally speaking having the safety equipment on is better than going without.

I see people wearing half helm's (helmet required state) and riding in shorts and T-shirts.  I may sometimes go without the riding jacket, but I ain't likely going in shorts.  I may have been riding with rugged tennis shoes and not riding boots, but that is about as far as I go in not taking some precautions when riding.

I wish I lived where I could ride on less traveled paths with fewer idiots to worry about, but I don't and given the lack of shielding that my body came with, I do what I can to add more where possible.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by verslagen1 on 06/24/14 at 14:36:16

pic's overfill the screen.

http://https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/1502276_577443125687580_3153098945609465245_o.jpg

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Steve H on 06/24/14 at 16:32:42

Good point Vers.  I've been meaning to ask, is there a way to make the board scale the pic to viewable size or is it something that has to be done before uploading it?

As far as the gear, helmet especially, last time I saw a decent factual review of acccidents in which helmets were worn, probably 15 or so years now, it was a statistical dead heat for protected or caused more injury (I believe protected was maybe .2% more. Within the margin of error anyway)


That being said, I wear my helmet whenever I go out. If nothing else, it keeps our huge southern bugs out of my eyes and face. And, my eyes tear up over about 30. The shield helps with that.

I generally don't wear much else in protective clothing. I know I should. Price is a factor. Hassle getting it on and off is a factor. Comfort is a factor.

I believe everyone should wear what they feel comfortable with.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by terpfan1980 on 06/24/14 at 17:32:42


677463627D7076747F20110 wrote:
pic's overfill the screen.
Apologies, I tried adding sizes to the img tag but that didn't work (and hence doesn't resize the linked images).

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by terpfan1980 on 06/24/14 at 17:41:15


766D34373631333C050 wrote:
Good point Vers.  I've been meaning to ask, is there a way to make the board scale the pic to viewable size or is it something that has to be done before uploading it?

As far as the gear, helmet especially, last time I saw a decent factual review of acccidents in which helmets were worn, probably 15 or so years now, it was a statistical dead heat for protected or caused more injury (I believe protected was maybe .2% more. Within the margin of error anyway)


That being said, I wear my helmet whenever I go out. If nothing else, it keeps our huge southern bugs out of my eyes and face. And, my eyes tear up over about 30. The shield helps with that.

I generally don't wear much else in protective clothing. I know I should. Price is a factor. Hassle getting it on and off is a factor. Comfort is a factor.

I believe everyone should wear what they feel comfortable with.

The problem with looking at the stats on the seriousness of injuries with and without helmets on is that there is really no way of knowing what would have happened with the other choice in effect.  It is possible that someone that was wearing a helmet would be injured less without the helmet on, just as it is possible that someone that wasn't wearing a helmet may have been better protected with the helmet on.  Same with other gear, though some is pretty obvious.  (Like I said above, people wearing shorts and T-shirts for example, if they hit the asphalt they are gonna get some serious road rash.)

I agree completely though that for the most part I'm comfortable with letting people decide for themselves.  Up to a point.  If it is costing me or society money, then not so much.  As long as it costs me nothing, sure, do what you want.  The tough thing is that someone that is riding that gets seriously injured can wind up in a hospital costing their insurance providers a ton of money, and then later costing society money when they have used up their coverage.  Either one passes costs on to me and others to bear.  If that same individual would have been much better protected and far less injured by wearing mandated gear then the libertarian in me gets pushed aside by the pragmatic conservative that wants no part of paying more out in health care then we have to.

If someone comes up with a way of guaranteeing that only the individual involved will pay then have fun.  I suspect that option would never be taken though because it would be something like saying that if I wreck you'll leave me there to die, or just move me out of the roadway so that others are no longer impacted (except for the lookie loos that stare over at the seriously injured rider).

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Fishbulb on 06/25/14 at 10:56:44

Personally, I like my parts where they are and doing what I can to keep them there. Am I scared? Maybe. Do I have a healthy respect for physics? Hell yeah.

No matter what you wear, stay safe and hopefully we never have to test any of our safety gear!

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I am dressed more like a touring rider than a chopper rider when I ride: FF Helmet, Jacket with armor (padding), over pants and boots.  

Helmet: HJC Flip Up with drop-down sun visor. Flip up makes it easier with glasses, sun visor makes me not need sun glasses

Jacket: Joe Rocket Hemp. Closeout last year at about $80. Olive green color, looks a little cafe! :)

Mesh Jacket: Old Fieldshear purchased pre-loved. Great now that it is pretty warm out. Black and yellow (matches the bike, if that matters!) Would look more at home on a early 90's sport bike!

Over Pants: Rev'it Airwave. Was on the fence about kevlar jeans vs. over pants. Decided on the mesh overpants and I am very pleased. Still get great airflow, can wear shorts under (or not!) and still have protection.

Boots: Icon 1000 el Bajo. Yeah, because they are awesome, that's why. Wanted protection in a boot I could wear at the office.  Didn't want to look like a Cyclone Ranger. Wanted to be ready for the Zombie Apocalypse.

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/icon-1000-el-bajo-boots

Gloves: Rev'it Monsters and a pair of longer colder weather Rev'its. Same as the boots, wanted protection and not to look like a transformer.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Serowbot on 06/25/14 at 15:02:52

Yea,.. I wear a helmet...  :-?...
http://p1.bikepics.com/2008%5C09%5C06%5Cbikepics-1408766-full.jpg

http://p1.bikepics.com/2008%5C09%5C23%5Cbikepics-1427612-full.jpg

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by old_rider on 06/25/14 at 20:55:26

Why you feedin' the truck your savage?

Wife and I just bought some Chinese armor, only $34 bucks for a mesh netting with hard plastic elbows, shoulders, chest, back and tail bone protection.
Not sure how well it will do in a drop, but feels cool in this heat and the plastics will surely absorb some impact and take a bit of the rash before our skin hits the road.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-MX-Full-Body-Armor-Jacket-Spine-Chest-Shoulder-Protection-Riding-Gear-/331150579751?pt=Apparel_Merchandise&var=&hash=item4d1a1cd827&vxp=mtr

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Bubba on 06/27/14 at 12:27:20

helmets don't kill people, people kill people...

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by verslagen1 on 06/27/14 at 14:07:28


273C65666760626D540 wrote:
Good point Vers.  I've been meaning to ask, is there a way to make the board scale the pic to viewable size or is it something that has to be done before uploading it?

no way that I know of.

I've had a number of rocks bounced off my head so I'll wear a full face when I'm on the superslab and I feel like I need neck protector like hockey goalies wear.

but helmets need to be lighter

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by iRocco on 06/27/14 at 14:28:34

WD, you sound like the character Quint from Jaws explaining why he'd never wear a life jacket again.  I respect your choice bro, but don't be a hater. I wear a FF and maybe it will kill me in a wreck. But even if I could 100% guarantee that I'd never be in a wreck, it's worth it to keep the bugs, wind, stones, etc., out of my eyes and mouth. The first time I ever rode, a rock was kicked up by a car in front of me and probably would have at least temporarily impaired my vision. So with those odds in mind, I am wearing a FF.

Title: Re: Body armor
Post by Kris01 on 06/29/14 at 16:30:26

I ride mostly around a ton of farms/fields.  Some of the billion bugs a second are as big as a baseball (or at least they sound like it when they commit suicide on my helmet).  Without a FF I would probably be bruised and blind by now.  Part of my ritual after I ride is to scrape the 10 lbs of bug guts off my helmet.

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