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Title: Harley 500cc Post by stinger on 04/08/14 at 11:14:23 Saw this this morning on Yahoo. if it runs as good as it looks I might be in the market. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/not-old-mans-hog-harley-bets-big-small-155731870--sector.html |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by jcstokes on 04/08/14 at 12:19:53 Interesting, I was speaking to a Suzuki/Harley dealer in December and he stated that this bike will be targeted at the S40 riders in NZ. Price will be a consideration as will reliability. It also depends on whether we are one of the half dozen countries to get one. If they can do it in the $NZ 7 to 9 thousand range people might be interested, but freight and 15% tax may push it out of that range. I feel it would qualify for learner licences under our LAMS scheme. I certainly wouldn't buy one for "image" or "cool" factors. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by PerrydaSavage on 04/08/14 at 15:07:52 The new Harley-Davidson model will also be available in 750cc version as well. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by bobert_FSO on 04/08/14 at 16:04:33 I think they are a good idea. Harley could use some smaller bikes designed as light, maneuverable urban machines. Growing up in SW Ohio, city streets were cramped. Country roads were narrow and twisty. Anything over 650cc was considered a really big bike. Not until I was living in wide open Kansas with miles of straight roads did I see the need for bigger bikes. My biggest problem with the Harley Street is that in all the pics I've seen so far, the bikes are completely flat or satin black. I understand that blacked out bikes are popular, but they don't do anything at all for me. To me, nothing screams "I don't have the money or expertise to give my motorcycle a decent paint job" than what looks like a rattle-can flat-black paint job that is designed to hide finish imperfections. I hope they offer some brighter, more colorful options. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Serowbot on 04/08/14 at 17:26:29 I swear that's a Honda VT500 with new badge... ;D... Actually,.. the VT's were nice moters... just butt ugly bikes... VT... http://globalcarbrands.com/i/honda/honda-shadow-vt500-c/honda-shadow-vt500-c-04.jpg HD... http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/2013-eicma-harley-davidson-street-500-and-750-revealed-video-70317-7.jpg?1383653660 |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by jcstokes on 04/08/14 at 17:53:31 I agree with Bobert. One of the few issues I have with the S40, and I brought mine new, is the poor quality chrome plate in places. Flat black bikes do nothing for your on road visibility. I would need a colur choice |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by gizzo on 04/08/14 at 18:42:54 That thing's not getting any prettier. It really looks to me like a Chinese copy of a V Rod. That radiator! OMG! It's good that the story didn't try to hide the fact they will be made in India (for the non- US market). Wonder how that will affect the Brand? At least 883 Skirtster riders will have something to look down their noses at. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by verslagen1 on 04/08/14 at 19:08:11 and probably only assembled in the us for the us market. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Art Webb on 04/08/14 at 19:47:14 that's it, assembled in the US actualy made in India IIRC, and if they do these the way they did the BLAST they'll be crap |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by jcstokes on 04/08/14 at 19:50:28 Americans, I've just spoken to a local Harley dealer. Your bikes will be made in India, then disassembled and reassembled in America as you don't like non US manufactured HOGS. New Zealanders wait until January 2015 before your Indian HOGS arrive. Aussies who knows when. An "Indian"HOG is something of a play on words I think. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by pgambr on 04/08/14 at 22:51:03 . Quote:
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by jcstokes on 04/08/14 at 23:26:12 Why worry, we've all got Savage/S40's |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by PerrydaSavage on 04/09/14 at 00:04:37 While the new 500/750 Harley-Davidson Street (how I hate that name! LOL!) is an interesting motorcycle, IMHO, the 883 Sportster, Yamaha Bolt and the Honda Phantom are likely still the better choices in that market segment ... |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by seedubs1 on 04/09/14 at 11:32:08 Looks like a cheap trashy vrod. Who cares, I wouldn't ride a harley anyway. Give me a Jap bike any day. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by gizzo on 04/09/14 at 15:41:31 If it's thrown together from across the room like my Indian Enfield, the target market of new riders is going to be very disappointed. Maybe even cured of motorcycling. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by raydawg on 04/09/14 at 17:34:37 It's the name stupid ;D True story.....a study was done by a marketing firm at a major department store. They had the exact same product (shoe) but with different prices, one cheap, the other expensive. They of course changed the name, etc, to give the appearance of difference items. The more expensive one out sold the cheaper one. My son graduated from University California with a masters in marketing, works for a large world wide hotel chain, its big business selling us on trade names, etc.... On a different note, can anybody design a new bike that won't look a little (or more) like another bike to some degree? |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by jcstokes on 04/09/14 at 20:02:20 Gizzo's comment is interesting. I'm inclined to believe that the target market is Asia/India where the price of a legit Harley is too dear for the emergent middle class. I don't think the Chinese would be too tolerant of poor quality in an iconic" brand, even though they make some rubbishy stuff themselves. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by S-P on 04/09/14 at 20:33:13 43595D5F5E605142444259545755300 wrote:
Oh man, those Enfields look soooo cool. If I had the money I'd-a-bought one. Yer killin' me. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Serowbot on 04/09/14 at 22:25:51 You gotta' wonder... why they left that tiny bit of fork tube and the rear shocks chrome... I mean,.. so close to a total dark dunk... :-?... ...and,... JMHO but... radiators are so un-bike... :P... |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by jcstokes on 04/10/14 at 00:24:32 Can't the radiator thingy leak if the bike is dropped or falls over? If the radiator is a pressurised thingy, does it leak more rapidly than a non pressurised radiator thingy? Can it be hit by stones, rocks and road debris thingy's? |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by gizzo on 04/10/14 at 03:23:59 the radiator c0ck? the pressurised c0ck? debris c0ck? weird. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Dave on 04/10/14 at 04:51:18 Yep radiators can be damaged and leak. If you want a modern high mpg, high performance motorcycle that includes emmission controls.....it now comes watercooled. Even lightweight trials bikes are now watercooled. The temperatures are easier to regulate and the engine lasts longer. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by oldNslow on 04/10/14 at 07:07:25 I'm going to reserve judgement till I see one in person but from what I've seen/read I kinda like it. Only problem from an appearance standpoint IMO is the radiator. I can't understand why it has to be so BIG. Despite what some of the hard core Harley guys think about it; liquid cooling just makes sense from an enginering standpoint. Where it's made doesn't concern me all that much either. Honda and Suzuki both build some of thier bikes in China, and BMW has some of their motors manufactured there. I don't see any reason that with proper QC decent bikes can't be made in India. And 100% US made Harleys are not exactly without their problems either. Nothing is. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by WD on 04/10/14 at 07:30:55 And 100% US made Harleys are not exactly without their problems either. Nothing is. There's no such thing as a 100% USA made Harley Davidson, never has been. They've always had, at minimum, a handful of Canadian or European sourced parts. Since the debut of the nose cone "Trouble Head" they've used Japanese and Taiwanese sourced electrical, suspension, rim and brake components. The Evo and the Twinkie (Twin Cam) are both Kawasaki designed engines, using parts from Toyota-Honda-Yamaha and General Motors of Canada... Keihin and Mikuni (Japan) carburetors, Showa (Japan) forks and shocks, Denso (Japan) starters, NGK (Japan) sparkplugs, Stanley (Japan/Taiwan) lights-wiring-switches, Dunlop (Japan) tires, Lockheed-Wagner (England) brakes, Delphi (Canada) fuel injection, Excell (Japan) wheels, Emgo (Taiwan) filters, Bridgestone-Firestone (Japan) tires, Screaming Eagle (Taiwan-Korea-China) accessories... I could go on for awhile... this is just a small portion of parts that were/are sourced from outside the USA (or the company headquarters are no longer in the USA). |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by oldNslow on 04/10/14 at 08:36:18 Quote:
You're right. I should have said US assembled HD. But my point is the same. In todays world whether something is a POS or not a POS has very little to do with where the components come from. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by WD on 04/10/14 at 08:54:20 7846474B5945442A0 wrote:
Definitely true. Look at the major league flop known as the V-Rod, a Porsche-Citroen-Harley Davidson design exercise that should have been absolutely flawless. Biggest turd the Motor Company put out since the AMF Nose Cone Shovelhead... |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Serowbot on 04/10/14 at 09:07:24 42585C5E5F615043454358555654310 wrote:
My brain is hurting trying to figure this one out... I'm running through every bad word I ever learnt... Must be a NZ thingy...:-/... |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/14 at 10:04:59 7761766B73666B70040 wrote:
My brain is hurting trying to figure this one out... I'm running through every bad word I ever learnt... Must be a NZ thingy...:-/... [/quote] He's running thru every instance of his use of "c0ck" that was changed to "thingy" in his previous post. the bloody wally ;) |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by gizzo on 04/10/14 at 16:47:18 Just a bit of fun at the fuel ccock's expense... ;) Hey, WD why is the VRod considered such a slag then? I know a couple of owners who love them and they seem oil tight, reliable, suspension that seems to work and go like a cut cat (the bike that is. The owners, not so much).. Not trying to start an argument, I'm genuinely interested. Thanks. s |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by WD on 04/11/14 at 00:17:29 They couldn't hardly give them away in the USA. Too ghetto for most Harley Davidson fans. I heard more than one prospective buyer walking away shaking his head saying "Too ugly, too quiet, lousy seating position", among other more colorful comments... |
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Title: Re: Harley Street Post by EJID on 03/30/15 at 15:01:23 Just saw this post from HD & thought a few of the Café guys here might like to see what they did with a new HD Street... |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by LANCER on 03/30/15 at 18:07:18 Can't tell it by me, everything is hidden. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by WD on 03/30/15 at 23:32:12 Pretty generic. Aftermarket Honda CB gas tank with "cafe dents". Cheap aftermarket tailpan (looks like one of Omar's rejects). If you haven't trundled into an "authorized" stealership and eyeballed the new "Street" bikes in person... it's worth a good laugh. Makes J.A. Pan Inc's cartoon V twins from the 80s (Yammerscammer Very Slow, Slopoki Intruder, Kawi VN700/750, Honda VT series) look positively stellar in comparison. At least Yamaha had the sense to rip off Vincent when they debuted the Virago series, and the XS650 was a 1954 BSA/Triumph design exercise that never made it to production (early ones said BSA on the inner case castings, Yammie bought the original molds and forgot to modify them)... The new "Street" is a cheap rip off of a VT500, no doubt about it. You couldn't knock the "Oh Golly Gosh, welcome to 7-Eleven" off the new HD baby bikes with a direct hit high explosive round from an M1 Abrams... ;D |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/31/15 at 06:11:22 So, not on your bucket list? |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by savskad on 03/31/15 at 09:55:33 This was one of the bikes I looked (really it was the 750, but, same thing) at when I was trying to decide what bike I wanted to get (before I ended up deciding on the savage). Along with a Vulcan, Sportster, and Shadow. What I think Harley is trying to do is appeal to more beginners and anyone into the Cafe Racer/Bobber/"Custom Cycle" scene. I see a lot of manufacturers are bringing back old bikes, Suzuki with their TU250X http://i.imgur.com/M0WaX4al.jpg Yamaha with their SR400 http://i.imgur.com/EEZynUal.jpg Honda with the CB1100 http://i.imgur.com/kIoKHDOl.jpg Those seem to pop out at me the most since I'm a jap-bike fan. I see a lot of "hipsters" cruising around on older CB's and other old bikes that they have rat-biked and bobbed. Seems like it's quickly became a new (or resurrected) trend. The issue I had with it, goes back to the "market study" mentioned earlier, it's got that Harley name, so people will pay $7500 for it. I'd rather get a Shadow if I'm gonna pay that much. That's why I chose the Savage, I haven't hit 25 years old yet and just about any other bike I chose, would have had insurance premiums through the roof. The other thing, I'm skeptical about "new" models. Cars or motorcycles, you never know what issues will surface in the first batch of products. The savage has been around for so long, everyone knows what it already needs. A raptor petcock and a verslavy tensioner. Other than that, it's flawless for it's designed intentions. I think the HD Street looks pretty cool. I just don't wanna pay Sportster prices for a 500. The Savage would probably out perform it anyways, with the exception of top speed, but going over 80 MPH is illegal almost everywhere. As Always, all this is just my personal opinion. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by old_rider on 04/01/15 at 13:58:13 Stopped by the Harley dealer today just to look at the streets. The appear kinda "thick" in person. Was looking just to be looking, never seen one in person, I think they can keep them. Nice that they are water cooled and fuel injected though. Of course that's more to have trouble with in the future. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Dave on 04/02/15 at 17:52:07 Me personally....I think if Harley wanted a starter bike they should have stuck with what they know. Take the Buell Blast engine and made a small Sportster around it. |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/15 at 18:45:24 I ride a Harley and MY Woman rides a Harley. That will probably sell enough of them to pay for the tooling up. I've seen women look at me on the Savage, riding behind the Big Man, and I saw them wish they had a smaller,lighter,easy to handle ride. So much to say, typing is just not fun... |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Art Webb on 04/02/15 at 20:42:15 I don't like typing either, and I love talk to text on my S3, maybe I need Dragon on my PC |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by KennyG on 04/02/15 at 20:43:43 I test rode one of the Indian 500CC Harleys. It is never going to be a threat in the market place for anyone that is a serious motorcycle rider. It is clumsy to ride and the brakes are difficult to use. The engine, transmission and clutch are really smooth which I am sure will be a plus to new riders. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Art Webb on 04/02/15 at 20:50:07 from what I've heard it's built in India, too, so I wonder about the quality I've heard the Blast powertrain wasn't very good, BTW, Eric apparently was pushed into building it against his wishes, and the quality reflected that |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/15 at 20:52:48 Ahh, good,, so, engine, transmission, good, brakes, not so good... |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by mpescatori on 04/03/15 at 00:07:08 19373C112033213A520 wrote:
Your difficulties may be related to a different riding position and/or a rider height well over the designers' intended market share. In other words... is they aimed this bike at the restrictive European market (48hp max for beginner riders) and "poorer" Asian markets, where people are often shorter than the typical 6' American, you might have found yourself in a tight squeeze. Then you say engine, transmission and clutch are smooth, which leads one to think the bike is mechanically sound and well designed. There's one serious competitor http://sport.sky.it/static/contentimages/original/sezioni/sport/motori/2012/04/17/moto_guzzi_3.jpg Happy Easter ! ;) |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Dave on 04/03/15 at 04:34:00 Oooooh.!........She sure is! :-* |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Art Webb on 04/03/15 at 15:56:29 l like that one much better ;) |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by Kris01 on 04/03/15 at 18:38:34 There's a bike in that pic? |
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Title: Re: Harley 500cc Post by mpescatori on 04/07/15 at 07:09:52 69504B511213220 wrote:
;D Apparently... she's not even a model, she is an honest to goodness Guzzi rider...ess... "Amazon", we call them. http://sport.sky.it/static/contentimages/original/sezioni/sport/motori/2012/04/17/moto_guzzi_3.jpg |
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