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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Long ride today, and a bit disapointed /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1396321125 Message started by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 19:58:45 |
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Title: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 19:58:45 today I took a longish trip on the S40, and I gotta say I'm a bit let down this is a trip I never thought twice about on my old Ninja 500, but on the S40, with no screen, I was getting a bit beat up, untill I put my feet on the rear pegs and laid forward, then it was much better I know some on here have made Cafe's out of S40s, and I migh like to try something like that, but not full on Cafe, I'm thinking sport touring type bike, or making the S40 more like a Ninja 500 / CBR 500, etc, without droppin 3000 on a RYCA kit, and then modifying that I'm interested in what folks who've done similar on their LS650s might have to suggest toward this end, aside from just buying another bike, especialy one with EFI (me no likey) there are no old Ninja 500s for sale in my area, btw, so far as i can tell besides, I like the one single carb :D |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by shorty on 03/31/14 at 20:05:37 you can make it work, windshield, highway pegs, whatever it takes to make you comfortable |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by verslagen1 on 03/31/14 at 20:07:35 with no screen is the key. i use a fly screen, enough air off the chest but still plenty of air in the face to make it comfortable up to 70. and able to duck a little to go past 80. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 20:20:52 thanks shorty, but highway pegs is going the opposite way from what I'm thinking think more sportbikeish, but still with luggage, and not the full clip on route Verslagen I know a screen will help (and I been looking at some pretty big one lol) I'm sorta wanting to go a bit farther than that, but not full on cafe' maybe rearsets and shorter riser on the bars? (I have the darn TT bar) another thing I didn't mention, because I'm scatter brained, my hands go numb riding, and I think I've got it narrowed down to the gripping of the bars, especaily the right, to keep the throttle open, on a more sporty bike, you don't have to grip as tight, becasu your upper body weight is partialy on your hands I don't remeber this problem on the Ninja, even on 3-4 hour rides got a pic of your screen verslagen? thanks to you both for quick repies |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by shorty on 03/31/14 at 20:42:32 the suzuki screen is small and installs easy.. on long trips I move around a lot, sometimes use rear pegs, sometimes forward.. you gotta move around, no one position will be good all day |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 20:46:41 that's true shorty, and I have thought about the stock screen too I'm a bit hesitant because I have the factory accessory bags and they wre useless, so I replaced them with other bags on a bike with mid pegs or rearsets you can actualy stand up, that's a real relief on a long ride ;D |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by verslagen1 on 03/31/14 at 20:54:54 All windscreens create turbulence. What's key is to get it off your helmet. The flyscreen is short so the turbulence hits you in the chest. And makes a nice nest area for a bag. http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/images/Verslagen1-11-09.jpg |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by jcstokes on 03/31/14 at 21:42:46 An Airhawk seat pad helped me a bit and there is a thread on raising the front of the seat to gain increased comfort. The Corbin firm make a gel seat for the S40, it's probably not that cheap. Bar adjustment may help, I've never done it. We are looking at a very entry level/budget machine after all. The stock windscreen does me fine. Lets face it these things are a butt riveter. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Serowbot on 03/31/14 at 23:02:47 I'm a former Ninja 500 owner,...(crashed it)... ... and a windshield hater... It's head buffeting I can't stand... Once,... out of 50 bikes I've ridden, I rode a V-Star with a windshield big enough to not cause buffeting... it was ridiculously large, and I looked through it, not over it,... but it did work... I just can't imagine one that big, on a Savage... So,.. I recently got a Sportster... and the factory shield buffeted like mad... The stock Savage shield did fit and it was better,.. but still annoying... so I incrementally notched the headlight hole, and lowered it, an inch at a time... 3 trims.. got it down to 11" from the top of the headlight, and all the buffet is below my neck... A flyscreen is 9" (I believe)... it won't cause head buffet, and it has to do something... I've learned 11" is my max... The Sporty also has midset footpegs... and they are way more comfy... My Savage is tolerable with the slight forward foot position,... but, I have a 2" front seat lift and 2" over shocks... which allows posting from a taller seat position... Anyway... no real advice... just personal experience... ... and,.. there's more than one way to skin a cat... Every part, interacts with every other... Raise this, lower that... ;D... PS... nothing trims a windshield better than one of those Multi-tool, vibrating cutter/sanders... (I used the half moon blade... Harbor Freight sells them cheap... (Pardon the giant pic... :-?... http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_19069.jpg |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 03/31/14 at 23:36:25 @ verslage: hey, you have cast wheels! hey, we have the same bars!, hey, you have a cute pooch! I think I'd want the sheild to push the wind higher than my chest, wind blast is a big part of the reason for my discomfort, I'd like it over the head if posssible not all of it of course, just the fastest moving layer @JC stokes: the seat really isn't a problem on mine, you want a butt riveter, try the stock saddle on a Rebel, that thing will have most beggin for mercy within 50 miles or less what I'm trying to achieve is some forward lean without being doubled up on the bike, as I would with clip[ ons and the forward controls how tall are you btw? the stock screen does LOOK good, and I know it'll fit the bike I was looking at this one if I don't figure out how to get the lean on http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/7931/i/memphis-shades-malibu-windshield but that would be more like making a mini tourer out of the bike Serowbot, I'm sad to hear about the crash, and surprised at the windsheild hate I actualy converted my EX to 'street fighter' configuration because I liked the 'naked' look after one highway ride like that I reinstalled the fairings and screen, and never thought about removing them again I got little if any head buffeting, and it was far better than the constant blast of wind trying to push me off the bike same with my GS850L, it came with a big ass screen, and I took it off and rode the freeway once It never came off again I'm gonna have another look at the stock sheild, and take some measurements |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by oldNslow on 04/01/14 at 05:13:02 Quote:
Another vote for the OEM windshield. I'm 5'6" and it works very well for me on an '06 with the stock drag style bars. Before putting it on my bike was very uncomfortable and any speed above about 55 - 60 for any length of time. With the shield it's fine. Moving the pegs back some and lowering the bars so you're leaning forward a bit into the wind would work, but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort on a bike like this. Even as short as I am, mid mount pegs would have my knees sticking up kind of high, at least without replacing the seat too, with something a couple of inches thicker. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/01/14 at 10:30:18 102E2F23312D2C420 wrote:
yeah on most cafe builds the seat is replaced to something higher, and I'm good with that maybe I should watch some build vids from RYCA and see how thet did it will be reading some build threads here, but it might be more work than it's worth I know I could probably find a sport (y) bike used for less than the RYCA kit costs |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by oldNslow on 04/01/14 at 11:05:08 Art, I've never been on a RYCA so this is just my opinion based on what I've heard, and from looking at photos, but if you're not happy taking long rides on a stock(ish) savage, I gotta think you're gonna like long rides on a RYCA somewhat less. One of the smaller sport bikes might be a better option - Ninja 300, Honda CB500F or something similar. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by scuba2 on 04/01/14 at 11:13:08 Art, see pics at bottom of page one. It does just what you're looking for. Slipstreamer SS-20 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1388779470 |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/01/14 at 15:34:04 that sheild look like it's block a lot of wind, I'll look into it in the meantime, a guy I know localy has an older Savage He took the buckhorns off and put a drag bar on short risers on I sat on it today and liked the feel, though I don't know if taking the stack bar on mine that low might mean I can't use some of the sheilds I've been interested in it gives a nice forward lean, witout being as extreme as clip ons I didn't get to ride it (It's a project) but it felt pretty good I think the stock screen mounts to fork-mounted brackets? |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/01/14 at 15:38:40 6E50515D4F53523C0 wrote:
That's why I didn't want to go full on RYCA, the Ninja 500 I had wasn't a full sportbike crouch, just a bit of a lean, enough to put some weight on your arms, and I rode that bike for literaly 3-4 hours at a stretch the 'sport-touring' position (concours, Ninje 500 / 300, CBR500) is much more comfortable for long highway rides than the cruiser 'sit back' this is coming from a guy who has had both I would imagine a RYCA would be more like a full on sportbike (comfy at 100+ mph) than the riding posture I'm talking about |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by oldNslow on 04/01/14 at 15:49:00 Quote:
Yes. It isn't quick detach either. You need tools if you want to take it off and ride without it. If that's important you'll probably want something else. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Dave on 04/01/14 at 15:53:31 I have the Cafe' (RYCA inspired) conversion on mine. It does have the RYCA seat, peg mount, side panels, kick stand and a few other bits. I am 5'-8" and it does make for a healthy forward lean with the clip ons. I have a top yoke that I can install handlebars on someday when I get too old and want to sit a bit more upright. It is a hard seat and your bottom does notice that after a while, and when you are headed down a steep grade with a stop sign at the bottom of the hill.....pretty much feels like you are doing a push up. I can ride for half an hour without a sweat. An hour and you are ready to take a break for a bit. I think Oldfeller and I rode about 180 miles at the Dragon Run last year on one day....with some stretch and food breaks. That doesn't sound like a long trip - but not all the roads are 60 mph down there. It is not more comfy than the stock Savage - but I love to ride it and will tolerate the loss of creature comforts to enjoy the fun factor. Maybe you could convert yours to more of a "standard" with some motocross type bars, a higher bench seat, and some rear set pegs. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/01/14 at 16:12:23 that's sorta what I had in mind Dave, rearsets, a higher, flatter seat, and lower, but not clip on, bars how would you go about this, just get the RYCA peices? or will they sell them as sub assemblies? |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Dave on 04/02/14 at 03:21:42 ART: You can get the pieces from RYCA that you need. The mounts for their rear set fits well and saves a lot of work. I did not like their pegs as the toe portions stick out too far, and moving your toe above and below the shifter looked like it would require a lot of foot movement. RYCA pegs: http://i61.tinypic.com/e8anfm.jpg I bought the Universal set from Dime City: http://i59.tinypic.com/160zos3.jpg You might also prefer the RYCA Standard or Scrambler kit. The seat doesn't look overly padded and cushy - but it will get you seated differently than the Cruiser style the bike currently is. The Standard has a low pipe and the Scrambler has a high pipe. The look also requires using an 18" rear wheel. You could modify your bike to have their pegs, handlebars, and make your own seat....you do not have to move the battery and air cleaner and change everything to make the bike more comfortable for you to ride. http://shop.rycamotors.com/ryca_cs2_kit.html |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by ToesNose on 04/02/14 at 04:14:24 You could always have a local upholstery guy make a better seat, or just modify the RYCA one to be more comfy too ;) |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by LANCER on 04/02/14 at 04:29:56 65767073616666040 wrote:
Art, if you have an interest in RYCA's, I have some parts from a Cafe kit that I decided not to use. They are the pieces for the rear sets, clip-ons, hardware pk, possibly a tank, maybe some others but this is what comes to mind. Holler if interested. I ordered the kit before I crashed; after recovering and back to riding I deciding I did not want the low front end; it was much less forgiving, so I went back to stock...same with foot controls; back to stock. My body demands more comfort these days. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/03/14 at 00:00:03 I might be at that Lancer, take a look at what ya got and give me a shout one question though, do they use basicaly the same rearsets on the standard and the cafe'? actualy I might have a LOT of questions haha I really think the standard would be the direction I would go if I ordered a kit (at nearly $3000, I think probably not) but honestly after sitting on my friend's bike with a low mounted drag bar I might not need to do too much modding, i was surprised how far forward it leaned me |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/03/14 at 00:04:00 79424F5849455E58434B46592A0 wrote:
how much work is it getting those rearsets to work dave? keeping the stock airbox is a must, i want my bike to run correctly, the battery I wouldn't move unless neccessary because I'm lazy ;D I still need to look at their seat setup to see how they did it the 18" wheel thing could be a problem (man I'd like cast wheels though lol |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by LANCER on 04/03/14 at 03:54:02 7D6E686B797E7E1C0 wrote:
I will pull out the pieces and photo them for you and work up a price list, which will be significantly lower than "list price". I have a front cast wheel, by the way. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Dave on 04/03/14 at 05:10:35 Art: See what Lancer has....maybe he has everything you need. The RYCA rearset bracket and pegs are the same for the Cafe' and standard bikes. The shift linkage is easy to make....just a rod threaded on both ends. The brake lever and brake light switch are a bit tougher to do well. The RYCA stuff does not have a stop for the brake pedal built into it....and you need to make one if you want the brake pedal to work correctly. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/03/14 at 14:09:44 well that suck, I don't want to do a lot of modding realy, that's one reason I like to keep a bike as stock as I can, keeps things simple maybe just get the sheild and look into lowering/moving forward the stock bars (or get different bars lancer what sort of cast front wheel? would it be basicaly a bolt on? is it the same size as the stocker? one thing Harley has done right is move to cast wheels on mant of their bikes |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by LANCER on 04/03/14 at 18:22:29 2C3F393A282F2F4D0 wrote:
The cast wheel is the same size as the stock Savage but is not just a bolt on; it is from an early model Suzuki GS 650 and the disc on it does not line up with the brake caliper on the stock LS forks, so either a swap to a GS front end is needed or a mod of the mount of the LS caliper to line up correctly with the disc. I do have a GS front end if you are considering something like that. |
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Title: Re: Long ride today, and a bit disapointed Post by Art Webb on 04/03/14 at 19:11:58 I think we're getting into the realm of 'more work than I want to do' ;D thanks for the offer though |
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