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Title: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/22/14 at 18:23:27 Well I went and picked up "my" savage today, it is a 2001 LS 650 Savage, sky blue (what???), with a wind screen (scratched) and saddle bags. It has 3798 on the odo... wow.. not even broken in! Paid a whole 1,500 bucks for it... Now to make it mine... already ordered (yesterday) a raptor petcock for it and will start cleaning it up tomorrow, it has some salt air corrosion on it, but all in all looks really good. It has an oil leak, maybe the bolts, maybe the plug.. I will clean it up and see. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Suzuki%20Savage/IMG_20140322_191153659.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Suzuki%20Savage/IMG_20140322_195215784.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by LANCER on 03/22/14 at 19:24:54 Way to go dude. Wha'cha gonna do ? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by engineer on 03/22/14 at 19:49:37 Good job old-rider. Very recently you said you had decided on another Savage and today you already have one. I've noticed that you don't mess around, once you make up your mind you get it done. I assume this is the one you want to make lighter with alloy or plastic fenders etc. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by ZAR on 03/22/14 at 20:05:27 dadgummit we gotta git some of them "thumbs up" emoticons 'round here! Anywho.........TWO THUMBS UP OR!!!!! 8-) |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by S-P on 03/22/14 at 20:29:31 $1,500.00 leaves a lot of room for upgrades! Nice find! |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/22/14 at 21:03:06 Going to clean it up and maybe set it up for the run to the dragon this summer..... going to work on making it lighter after this riding season. What I want to do is going to take me longer than two months ;D Wife says I have to get my body fixed first, then I can mess with my ride... LOL I am at least going to mount some kind of back rest for me....maybe use that ultra-tour pack from the harley :o |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Serowbot on 03/22/14 at 22:32:35 OR,.. those are additions... I though we were subtracting... ;D... |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by ToesNose on 03/23/14 at 04:59:38 Very cool Old Rider, another in the stable :D |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/14 at 08:56:16 Fifteen Hunnert BUX? YOu did all kindsa good.. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/23/14 at 16:47:50 Took off the seats, did some cleaning/degreasing/polishing. Added a trickle charging plug, and opened up the drain hose... ack... oily gas liquid, pulled the air filter... wet... fuel in box. Glad I ordered the raptor before I picked up the bike. Going to leave it like it is (no seats and charging) until the raptor petcock gets here. Well, I might actually put the extra dyna I have on the shelf on it, and pull the tank and do the washers on the needle. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by S-P on 03/23/14 at 18:30:01 That's a nice set of bags on the bike. Any idea what brand? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/23/14 at 22:12:44 7473627162697766726B070 wrote:
Yup, they say Suzuki on the side :) Not sure if I will be keeping them, I will let you know. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Pine on 03/24/14 at 14:28:32 Congratz Oldrider... well I guess I gotta mine put up on CL. Just got back from NOLA. Man the weather was great. Came home and dernit another cold front. This sucks. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Sheriff41 on 03/24/14 at 23:18:17 That's a great deal! Good luck with your project. That picture with the bike on the trailer reminds me of my old neighborhood in Crestview, FL. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by S-P on 03/24/14 at 23:47:48 3B3830263D303126540 wrote:
OK cool! I bought a cool looking set of vintage leather bags on Ebay and they didn't fit. I'll be selling them on eBay I guess... |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/25/14 at 01:30:15 Today I took off the tank, replaced the petc0ck, put on rubber hose to keep away the rattle, capped off the vacuum hose, cleaned up the under side of the tank and main beam, ran me a wire for the 12v adapter and did a little more cleaning (mainly on the rims). Tonight I bought some Rotella T6 (synth) gonna change it out and get the gas out of the system (run it for about 25 or so miles), then put on the marine 12v adapter I bought and change the oil and filter for the next 3,000 miles. I am not going to dismantle it until after the dragon run... all I will do is add the tour pack instead of a back seat (got to paint it black first, it has gold in it). I might do the rear blinker mod and bring them back to the rear (just to try it, so I can do the wife's later and know how long it will take). Here are a couple of pics.... I can't believe how new it looks :D Also through in a pic of the raptor after I made it "wife proof" LOL :D http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/DSCF2013.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/DSCF2027.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/DSCF2016.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/DSCF2023.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/DSCF2032.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by pgambr on 03/25/14 at 03:23:55 Boy, that sure looks clean! You'll have that dialed-in in no time. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/25/14 at 13:21:41 Well, thought I would change the oil before I rode it, good thing too! What came out was a mixture of oil and gas, about a gallon and a half! I threw an oil quart in this pic to give you an idea what size the pan is http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/25mar2014b.jpg Well after I changed it I rode it for about half hour to see if the last battery charge took and to insure I was in the green. Came back to the house and it was dripping oil on the drive, some splatter on the right side...ok i'm letting it dry off now I might have it a little on the over full side, but I can see the level at the top of the window, I might drain a couple spoonfuls. Can oil spray out of the neutral wire hole (behind the clutch lever)?? Next test ride i'll throw on the google glass and take a video... after the washer mod all i'm going to do is stick a dyna on it.. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 03/26/14 at 04:41:39 The o-ring on the clutch shaft can leak, and there is the potential for the seal at the neutral wire to leak. When I had my cutch cover off I was sure to clean and place some black silicone seal at the rubber grommet for the neutral wire. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/27/14 at 10:50:14 Ok rear seat came off.... both side rails and backrest.... and oh yeah I am doing it! LOL... going to make them hurley guys mad! http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/26mar2014d.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 03/27/14 at 11:11:25 Is that the Barco-lounger seat back and trunk update? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/27/14 at 14:08:18 I also found an old cb radio bracket and moved it to the license plate bracket and going to use an old set of led blinkers I had on my super moto see if they work. On the cheap today! LOL :D Had some steel, so I cut a couple brackets... now all I gotta do is paint it and pad the backside so it won't scratch the fender paint. I am taking a break at the moment so, it should be done this evening or tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/27/14 at 22:14:04 Well got the little mini led's on and working, got the tour pack mounted and hopefully some wiring run...LOL... I did a back yard bill by shoving some connectors into the backside of the tail light plug, so I can wire up the brake and running lights. I hope the savage can take a few more little lights, I think four or six overall, might change them to led types to save some more power. Haven't looked, but does this thing have a "flasher" solenoid? Where would it be located and how many pins does it have? Was thinking of going total led blinker lights to lessen the load on the savage power system. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/28mar2014c.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/28mar2014b.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/28/14 at 13:56:46 The ones I have a plenty bright, I ran them for about a month until I got a total tail system put on it. I got all the wiring done and its ready to ride again, its been sitting for two days now without actually starting it, and I've turned the key on several times checking the wire power. It started right up! had 12.30 volts showing on the test meter before the start, I might hook up the charger overnight to insure full power before the test ride tomorrow. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/28mar2014h.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/28mar2014e.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by William Pors on 03/28/14 at 16:08:57 Looks like you got a hellova deal on that bike... I love the sport bike with jet theme in the back. Looks badass. If you need any locking saddlebags check out Viking. http://www.vikingbags.com/motorcycle-suzuki-saddlebags.htm Discovered them and am looking for an excuse to get their bags. Your bags look good though. Looking forward to see the rest of your build. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/29/14 at 13:36:27 Thanks... next is dyna muffler... got one to put on it, then that will be it until after the dragon run in a couple months... then I will tear it all apart and see how much weight I can get off of it. The tour pack is for fun... just to see if I could do it without tearing up the bike. The sport bike In the back is my Kawasaki 300 ninja, I retired out of the Air Force and last base was special operations (Hurlburt Field). So I decided to spray bomb it with krylon and some graphics from militarygraphics.com http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Ninja%20300/IMAG0472.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/29/14 at 15:15:12 Just got back from the test ride.... Battery after shut down was at 12.50v, so the system is keeping up with the new lights. Still have he mysterious oil leak, is it possible that the odo cable is leaking? I disconnected it at the tank and not on the lower end and the cable under the spring protector is wet with oil... The oil is fresh oil, so I know its blowing out, I traced it all the way to the top back right side (not blow back). The area around the oil filter is clean as a whistle so it is not leaking there. There was actually some residue up in the starter area on the right side top.... I'm kinda at a loss where it can be coming from.... |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Todd James on 03/29/14 at 21:30:01 old_rider In reference to your question in Reply #22: "...does this thing have a "flasher" solenoid? Where would it be located and how many pins does it have?" The flasher is located on the frame rail, passenger side, tucked up under the fuel tank. It's mounted in a rubber holder and you can push it out of the holder without tools. Hold the scoot over your head, peer up in there and you'll see it. It's a two - wire flasher. I attached a close-up picture showing its location. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by RidgeRunner13 on 03/30/14 at 04:38:17 It's fairly easy to modify a seat from a V-Star 950 to fit the Savage by making some brackets & you can usually buy them cheap on the Yamaha forum. The flasher is a 2 terminal & can be replaced with an automotive electronic flasher that will work with LEDs without needing resistors. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/30/14 at 07:52:20 Thanks guys... i'll be heading into town to get the electronic flasher relay, the one I put on an old 250 ninja was 3 pronged but worked like a charm for the mirror blinker set. I have a couple old Honda vtx seats I might see if I can modify to fit, they are HUGE and if I redo the foam in them would be right cushy. I do have the oil level at the top of the glass, so will drain some today and see if the leak stops or lessens. Drivin' me nutz trying to figure where its coming from, its so hot when I get back can't put my fingers anywhere, so I guess I will have to be patient and let it cool off after a ride and figure out where it is coming from. Ridge... how heavy is the pull behind in your signature pic? I have one that weighs about 190lbs I think. Does it pull/push the bike around? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/14 at 08:11:36 you can pull the timing plug to drain some off. although it might be messy. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/30/14 at 14:46:10 Remembered reading some where about not "loosing" the oring(?) off of the speedo cable when you remove the tank. So I took off the speedo end at the top of the case and there was no o-ring or seal, so I made a rubber washer out of a 1/8" thick rubber piece. No more leak (drove it for about 45 min.)! Had some mist maybe, not sure, might have been left over surface stuff from when it was leaking worse. I am going to degrease it tomorrow and then do an hour ride to see what happens. Starting the 12v plug adapter setup, got the wire run and the adapter attached to the front fork, going to pickup a 2 amp "on / off" switch at auto zone or wally world whichever I go into first. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 03/31/14 at 13:05:39 Picked up some "PlastiDip" to coat the tour pak with black, so it doesn't look so bad with the gold color. But before that had to do a little add to the back... the electric tape is really hard to write on so.... http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/31mar2014a.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/02/14 at 13:51:37 More work done..... Got it plastidip'd with black... stuff is rough, spray pattern sux, but it might work out ok, after it hardens. Got my gps power outlet put on. Found tool kit in the saddle bag.... what is the brass thing? it can be compressed... http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/02apr2012c.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/02apr2012f.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/02apr2012h.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/02apr2012k.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 04/02/14 at 14:03:26 brass thing is a belt tension gage... worthless might make a good ball stop on your pool table. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/02/14 at 20:01:16 When I shoot pool the ball stops where I want it to...(well most times), so I won't need it and i'll leave it out of the case....less weight. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/09/14 at 15:17:31 Put on a modified seat (BadX) from a 2007 Honda 1300vtx... its kind of a temporary set-up at the moment just to see if I like it. Hopefully I can get my foot extensions and see if they work together well enough to ride in june. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/IMG_20140409_165642939_HDR.jpg wife and mine side by side http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/IMG_20140409_165633471.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/09/14 at 18:54:29 Wife and I went out to dinner.... the vtx seat isn't going to work...makes me sit forward about 2" and up about the same. But I did get a pic of her rear end as we pulled into the garage...LOL... she wanted to be a little more visable, so I put some reflective tape on her trunk. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/IMG_20140409_201355244.jpg ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by S-P on 04/09/14 at 19:52:49 776473726D6066646F30010 wrote:
Ah! I was wondering the same thing! I just took it out of the tool kit, it looked pretty useless no matter what it was supposed to be for. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/10/14 at 18:47:29 Got the Dyna on and the cover on. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/IMG_20140410_194957094.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/11/14 at 13:33:32 Took it for a shake down ride, dyna sounds good, very few pops (mainly on high rev quick shift), but when i got home have a weird oil leak. Oil is coming DOWN from the clutch cable under the tank, and I just filled it up before the hour and a half test run. Valve cover maybe? The motor is hot so i'm going to wait till this evening to look for it. But would like to see a few "it might be this" posts (pertaining to the leak :D ). |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 04/11/14 at 13:53:41 One of the right rear head cover bolts is the path for the oil comig up to the head. It should be one of the bolts with the sealing washer on it. Do not overtighten any of these bolts....they are small diameter and pull the threads out of the aluminum head easily. You need to see if you can trace the source....maybe clean the motor back up and take a very short ride....then start looking for something that could leaking oil onto the clutch cable. The tech section area for the head plug repair shows which bolts should have the sealing washers. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 04/11/14 at 13:59:20 Also could be the speedo cable if you've lost the seal at the bottom. It's a little unusual, but does happen. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/11/14 at 14:12:35 I actually made a seal for the bottom speedo cable and it hasn't leaked for about a weeks worth of riding (testing seat, tourpack for shaking ect..), but today I was goosing it and got up to 80 for about 2 min, back down to 55, back up to 70 for about 2 min again...ect.. just to see if I could get it to pop on accel and decel. Think maybe the extra pressure on it (high rpm) caused it? I have cleaned it up several times before I found the speedo cable didn't have a seal (got a part # ?), made the seal but drove around last week withing limits and general riding, thought I had the leak thing fixed. Going to clean it up again and drive like a normal human being till the gas gets a little lower in the tank. I will keep an eye on the leak and see if mild driving causes it too. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 04/11/14 at 14:23:09 34373F29323F3E295B0 wrote:
The seal is not available. We did find something that looked like it, but could only order in bulk. Most people use an o-ring. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/11/14 at 14:24:45 Went to Wally World and picked up the Dell 100 speedo computer... $12.95. I have one on the wife's 2001 savage, It is a good trip meter for gas refill time. I just left the wheel dia. at its default and it works perfect on the wifes savage, so mine should be ok also. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/IMG_20140411_161407465.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/12/14 at 17:36:07 Pulled the tank off, top of the motor is DRY, only wet is the electrical under the oil tank, makes me think the oil is traveling UP the speedo cable and leaking at the top. Is that possible? It is dripping on the clutch cable and running down it and then driving air is splashing it onto the battery box and side panel...some on the seat too. Is there supposed to be a seal on the top connection of the speedo cable? The whole top of the engine is dry, no oil anywhere.... the oil starts at the electric bundle on the top of the right side brace and runs onto the clutch cable then down the cable and I guess the wind blows in onto the battery box, i'm stumped. Clamped the speedo cable outter shield (where it looked like oil was coming from) and also taped it really tight. The gasket I made for the speedo cable lower might be allowing the oil to travel up in side, and case pressure might be forcing it to spit out. Its a reach, but its the only explanation I can come up with. Going to take it for a ride tomorrow and see if it leaks after my "fix". |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by WD on 04/12/14 at 22:28:44 Speedometer cable acts as a wick. The 2003 leaks like mad from the cable. The 98, which has had the cable boss uncovered since 2005, doesn't leak a drop there. When it did have a speedometer cable, it leaked like mad as well. Well known Savage quirk. Adds a bit of Brit bike character. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 04/13/14 at 12:29:13 old_rider: What is that big trunk and backrest from? My wife wants a back support that has arm rests - and I can't find one that fits the Givi top box. It might be easier to get a box like the one you have and mount it than it would be to adapt something to the Givi. Dave |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/13/14 at 17:38:42 Trunk is from a Harley Davidson big bike, it is called an Ultra Tour Pack (rack, arm rests, speakers, antenna and side lights. There are a couple different styles of tour packs.....and there are some knock offs also, just search e-bay or amazon for motorcycle hard bag or trunk. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/13/14 at 17:42:11 Ok, did the test drive today, fixed the silly leak, held 65mph for about 15 minutes and a couple spurts to 70mph (tried to build up pressure), got home no leak. But...... the pipe was so hot that the vibration pads under the heat shield came out... the glue that held it on melted. And the pipe is so blue its almost black. I'm thinking its because I still might have an air leak from the Dyna install, that sound right? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 04/13/14 at 17:53:56 31323A2C373A3B2C5E0 wrote:
Since it's the header that's hot, I suggest a little richer main. the pads are normally glued to the heat shield, that's pretty hard to heat up. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/13/14 at 17:57:43 Should I try backing out the air/fuel mix screw? Its running good, but I can still fiddle with it a bit (washers/mix screw). |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 04/13/14 at 18:20:57 2B2820362D202136440 wrote:
That's your idle, raising your needle could help. do you have any surging at a constant 30 to 50? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/13/14 at 18:24:51 Nope, no surge, but one of the first things I did was the washer mod... I have 2 washers in there... should I go for three? Right now its pretty snappy, but I think the wifes snappier in second, and both bikes are set up the same... cept i'm not sure how many turns the air/mix is turned out on mine. Oh.. and her's still surges a little at 50-55, very minutely but noticeable. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 04/13/14 at 20:31:53 484B43554E434255270 wrote:
How's your top end? Quote:
Obvious 2nd gear envy, you need more racing stripes. Quote:
mid range surging suggests her top end maybe a little lean... how's her top end? :o I mean have you've done the full throttle back off test? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/15/14 at 10:59:14 Top end on mine is good... its snappy through all ranges... seems to me. Her top end is a little lean ::)...errr... but the bike is the same, although it seems a little better in the midrange on accel. Nope have never done the "full throttle back off" I'm still getting some pops between gears when I let off the throttle to upshift and occasionally when i'm downshifting. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by verslagen1 on 04/15/14 at 11:45:39 5F5C544259545542300 wrote:
Check the connections at the header and muff, most likely you gotta leak. Try a lit candle |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/15/14 at 14:05:30 Have to be tomorrow, its like 40mph winds out there today. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/15/14 at 16:14:13 Trying to add a video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5l4qPZf_oA |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by jcstokes on 04/15/14 at 16:22:10 The video works fine. Are you opening the t5hrottle when you try to start it? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/15/14 at 16:28:44 Did on the last try.... I rolled it about a quarter inch and it started... I really don't like using the enrichment knob. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by jcstokes on 04/15/14 at 22:27:33 Sorry, I can't see the harm in using the enrichment valve just to start from cold, sure Ive had memory lapses and haven't pushed it right in on occasion but I don't think I've done too much harm. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 04/16/14 at 06:16:27 Yep....use the enrichment knob if that is what it takes to make it start quickly. Then push it in. My bike always starts in one or two revolutions....it never has to crank for more than a second or two. The enrichment circuit only is effective when the throttle is closed since it operates through the Pilot Circuit...engine running or not. If you pull the throttle open while trying to start the bike it moves the butterfly open and the vacuum does not flow past the little hole in the carb body. The idle fuel supply comes out a little hole just behind the throttle butterfly when it is closed.....when the butterfly is open the air flow spreads out over the entire throat and does not pick up fuel from that little hole. Cracking the throttle open when trying to start the bike can help clear out an engine that is flooded. old_rider. Can you do me a favor and measure the distance from the bottom of the tour pack to the back/arm rest on the Tour Pack. The Harley rack is lower than the passenger seat in the photos I looked at, and I am afraid that if I get a Tour Pack like yours the back/arm rest will be up around my wife's shoulders if I mount it on the ST1100 rack. Thanks - Dave |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Serowbot on 04/16/14 at 08:31:42 0C0F07110A070611630 wrote:
..+1,... what jc and Dave said... Why the choke phobia?... If you jet to start good without choke,... you're jetting will be too rich 95% of the time... That's why we have chokes... |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/16/14 at 10:04:35 Not really a "phobia", but have always gone with a little twist first rather than use a choke or enrichment right off the bat. Guess it was something my adopted dad used to do all the time and I kinda' stuck with it. Dave, The speakers are removable, but it is 8.5" from the bottom of the box to the bottom of the backrest, or 10" from the bottom of the rack tube mount, to the bottom of the back rest. There are after market luggage packs everywhere and the are a LOT cheaper than HD tourpacks... if mine were to be sold by Harley it would be $1,500 as it is (rack, lights, speakers and antenna) new and right around $800 used. I actually need to get me some bar extensions (1.5" or 2") or spacers to bring the bars back to me if I want to rest against the seat back. It is ok if I let go of the clutch side after I get up to speed and kinda lean a little back I can rest with my back against it... but if I have hold of both sides of the bar I am not against the pad. And the mount will not allow me to bring it forward unless I re-drill it, i'm not comfortable doing that when I can still sell it after this trip. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 04/16/14 at 10:17:43 old_rider: Thanks for those dimensions - that will help me decide. I have a GIVI top box right now and it has a back pad - but there is no available arm rest and my wife wants something to keep her from tipping out. So far the Tour Pack looks like the best option...the Goldwing stuff is just too integral and blended into the bodywork to make them useable. She gets sleepy sometimes.....I don't wanna' lose her! ::) |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/16/14 at 10:53:09 Have you looked on ebay or amazon for passenger armrests? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOTORCYCLE-PASSENGER-REAR-SEAT-ARM-REST-W-STUDS-/251505390712?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a8ee3b478&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 04/16/14 at 10:58:35 Buy some metal, foam and covering and you could make your own if you already have a luggage pack. Guess the only thing would be to make the fiberglass or plastic bottom part ( I would back yard bill it and use marine grade plywood). :D |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 04/17/14 at 05:17:27 The Givi trunk I have is all rounded and sculptured and it would be tough to make something that attaches to the trunk. And I am getting into summer when I am just too busy at work and cutting grass at home to do bike projects. I was looking for something that could be used mostly as it was made. I think the height will be OK - but the backrest is not really an armrest - but more of a wrap around seat back. I will set the wife on the bike and see if maybe the armrests can be built that are not part of the trunk. Thanks for measuring for me......now back to your bike project. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/03/14 at 06:45:31 Well, took the contraption out for the day to do some errands and on my fourth stop (short ride, stop, shut it off, go in for ten minutes, start up, short ride, stop ect....) the bike didn't want to start. Guess maybe the trunk add on is using up a bit of my charging amps since it has like eight lights on it. Either that or its the battery, i'm not sure, I have been keeping track of the voltages, when I get back from a long ride the volts are at about 13.1 and slowly go down to 12.5 -ish, sometimes they are at 12.3 I didn't have the meter with me when I went to town so I don't know what was up with it. I turned off the gas (smelled like maybe it was flooding, but not sure, was in walmart parking lot so it could have been someone elses vehicle) and let it sit for about five minutes, and finally after the fourth crank it barely started. Guess i'll take it out and run down to a autozone or orielly's and have them check it out. :( |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/04/14 at 16:36:53 Got a surprise in the mail yesterday and went to work on it.... Got a set of Ed's 4" forward controllers, rough cut, so I decided to polish them a little. Got to figure out the amp problem on the battery system first, then I will install these puppies! http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Forward%20controllers/IMG_20140504_103924241.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Forward%20controllers/IMG_20140504_124923640_HDR.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/Forward%20controllers/IMG_20140504_125332176.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by Dave on 05/05/14 at 07:30:00 Well.......I would try unplugging your box for a week....and see if the bike behaves like normal and the battery charging becomes reliable. Dave |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/05/14 at 21:00:54 Went to the Harley dealership ordered me some led bulbs... gonna cost a bit... but the amp draw will be way less. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/07/14 at 18:23:05 Got the bulbs put in, think I might have a couple that didn't light up after looking at this video..... but so far they look good and the battery stayed up at 12.45 an hour after a ride...will see what happens after a couple of short drives... I'll drive around the neighbor hood, come home, shut it off, wait ten minutes, start it again, run it ten minutes around the neighbor hood, shut it off, wait ten and restart..... rinse repeat until it won't start...or until I get tired of testing it. Got the bulbs put in, think I might have a couple that didn't light up after looking at this video..... but so far they look good and the battery stayed up at 12.45 an hour after a ride...will see what happens after a couple of short drives... I'll drive around the neighbor hood, come home, shut it off, wait ten minutes, start it again, run it ten minutes around the neighbor hood, shut it off, wait ten and restart..... rinse repeat until it won't start...or until I get tired of testing it. ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O6x92k4vis ;D |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/09/14 at 12:06:01 Did a few short runs and kept track of voltage... on the slow short runs after stopping the voltage was usually at about 13.80v and dropped down to around 12.45v after about 1/2 hour, at least this means its charging. On the long runs (4-5miles) at high speeds (55-70mph)after stopping, I was getting 12.84, and it would fall to about 12.35-12.45v. Not sure what to do, is 12.35volts good enough? or should I just go ahead and get a new battery? If I do get a new battery I am going for the small 8cell type and get rid of the battery box and probably the air box after the trip in june. I'm bringing the trickle charger with me, so if I have to i'll charge the battery every night. On another subject.....the risers.... I found a couple of old aircraft engine mount spacers, aluminum, 3/16" thick and 2" tall, what say you all? think they will work? Where did you guys get the bolts for your 2" risers? ACE? Lowe's? Did you use metric or standard? What grade? How long? I don't want to mess the steering up by getting the wrong stuff and i'll see if I have some bolts in my mess, but i'll have to go to a "grade" site to figure them out. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/IMG_20140509_131435842.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/10/14 at 15:37:30 Got the risers added on today.... here are 2 vids, one explaining what I plan to do and one after its done....short 2 min videos so that photobucket will accept them. P.S. Let me know if the vids work for you guys.. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/th_may2014riservid1.jpg (http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/may2014riservid1.mp4) http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/th_may2014riservid2.jpg (http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/may2014riservid2.mp4) |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/10/14 at 15:40:01 Oh and I figured out why I was popping on quick throttle release and fast downshift....ummm....my flange bolts on the header were a little loose...guess I needed to recheck them after I put on the Dyna exhaust. LOL :D |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by ToesNose on 05/10/14 at 18:08:38 The videos work, now we'll need a report of how you like the spacers :) |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/13/14 at 15:45:09 Well, I got Ed's forward controllers put on, took me 2 days and a lot of bellyaikin' and cursin' my broken body, but it is done! Total different ride, legs are not cramped, center of gravity seems to have shifted a little back, and I can lean into my backrest now. The risers work great too! I can comfortably lean back into the backrest without stretchin' my arms to far. http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/4inchforwardmay132014d.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/4inchforwardmay132014c.jpg I tried to do some videos on the process, but it ended up poor in some area's (legs in way, body in way, bad lighting) so I am not sure i'll post it. I will try to edit it with windows software, but on the little laptop so I have some good files here that are not buggered up. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/14/14 at 09:53:51 Goofin' with the battery today and followed instructions on http://www.batterystuff.com/blog/how-to-tell-if-your-battery-is-bad.html , at crank the voltage dropped to 8.5v. It will still start, but this bike sat in a garage for two or three years and got charged once a year when his mom came to visit. It charges to 13.4v but then drops off to 12.3 - 12.4v, so i'm thinking new battery before the trip this summer. Going ahead and getting a smaller battery for the teardown and rebuild next fall. Probably an Antigravity 8 cell, so it will fit in the small bracket in front of the rear tire. Anyone know of a good place to get one cheap? I will be on the look-out for the next couple weeks. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by WD on 05/14/14 at 11:04:22 Try Amazon. Lisa finds all kinds of deals for me there, for the bikes, the Super Beetle, even for the fairly rare 1949 and 1969 Dodge trucks. Rare only in the sense that most of them got worked to death (49) or rotted away to nothing (69) and you don't see many out and about on the roads anymore. Bike is looking good. If you still want to try FL bars on yours, they only run me $10 if I pay cash, shipping would likely be another $10 or less. Looks like we're even going to put a set of them on Doug's 1500 Drifter... |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/14/14 at 22:15:21 Thanks WD.... for right now i'm keeping the setup till after the june trip and maybe up into the fall. I am going to order me the antigravity 8 cell... smaller one only puts out 240 crankin' amps, but someone here told me that the one they have works fine. All I need to figure out is how to extend the cables... jumpers or new cables? that is the question.... of course I want to go cheap for now, until the build redo in the fall/winter. Not sure how many are following this thing cause I keep posting stuff, but hope someone has done the small battery in the lower bracket and will chip in to tell me how they done it. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by WD on 05/14/14 at 23:04:46 6 gauge multi strand copper wire, you can get lugs that size at NAPA, Carquest, Tractor Supply, etc. I use it for the generator to mechanical voltage regulator connection on Ancient Blue, the 49 Dodge truck... I think you can get it in black, red, white, yellow or green. Mine is white, left over from hardwiring a 220V hot tub... works fine, I spun the generator on the junk engine over and got zapped. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/15/14 at 21:46:25 Stopped by a local bike shop, they sell "parts unlimited" batteries... mechanic was talking up the one they use on the 1000RR... dang thing only weighs about 2lbs and is 4" by 2 3/4" by about 4" tall... said they could weld up a bracket for it cheap too... Maybe i'll let them fix me up with it.... only $85 to boot.... dang small bolts though... Also my speedo cable was "wicking" again... went to auto zone and picked up a set of multi-sized "O" rings and put a thick one on it..and re-taped and cable clamped it... wow... does anyone have any replacement numbers for it?? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by LANCER on 05/16/14 at 04:49:06 For the cable or just the o-ring ? On Bike Bandit: CABLE,SPEEDO #1070741 $58.85 O-ring was not listed separately |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/16/14 at 06:08:53 The "O" ring... looking around and can't find a part number for it, the only suzuki dealer we had got canned by suzuki for "not enough volume" so i'm stuck for going to a dealer for genuine part. Haven't ridden the bike again yet... will do so today knowing i'll be headed to a bike shop I won't be worrying about the bike not starting when I get there :) |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by WD on 05/16/14 at 07:14:49 Found it. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1268286763 |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/16/14 at 07:56:02 Sweet! Thanks WD! I will look see what I can find for that part number. The "O" ring fix on that link is what I did yesterday, so i'll see if it works, I will probably be looking around for the seal in the post also, maybe order some and keep on hand "just I case". |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/16/14 at 13:26:15 Picked this up today...... going to temp install it until after the trip. (add) only cost me $57.00 (jr. at the counter saw me talking to the owner like we knew each other and gave me a business discount). http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/partsunlimitedminibattery.jpg http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/Orphistle/2001%20savage/sizedifferencebattery.jpg Mechanic/shop owner, says it cranks a 1000RR like its nothing....and should work fine with the savage.... he wants to help me with my build this fall....guy loves working bikes... he didn't even make fun of my Harley tourpack :) |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/18/14 at 11:51:23 Ok, bought some 8 gage wire and some 10 gage ends (tighter fit) and cut them to 10" so I could reuse them for this fall when I relocate the battery. Put some foam around the battery to keep it from bouncing around, cranks great, charges at 14.31v and stays at 13.3v after about 2 hours. We shall see how it does.... meanwhile I am going to have to make sure I can secure a trailer (or buy one) capable of hauling two bikes. I personally would like to just ride the bikes up there, but the wife has carple tunnel or some such wrist thingie and I don't think she could handle it. |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/22/14 at 20:19:07 Ok, so yesterday I wanted to run to the gas station for a six pack (2 blocks away) and the bike started great like it has for the past week with the new battery. Got to the store went in got the brews...tried to start, but sounded like it was flooded...shut off the gas, hit it a few times (3x) finally started, ran to the house, wrote it off as stubborn short run. Left the gas on overnight on the raptor.... was going to run to the local pub to shoot some stick and again...would not start... acted like it was flooded, smelled a little gassy. Got it to start and run after about five tries and twisting the throttle 3/4's turn... might try again tomorrow with full enrichment, not sure what is happening. Haven't checked the volts on the new battery just yet...kinda hard to get to seeing as it is 1/3 the size and terminals are wayyy down inside the case. any ideas what could be the culprit besides the battery? |
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Title: Re: 2001 LS650 savage...work in progress Post by old_rider on 05/23/14 at 09:03:33 Was flooding..... guess leaving the gas on overnight it got past the needle valve, air filter box fueled up and gas in the oil....sigh... Needle valve change I guess, or just maybe I will remember to shut off the GAS.... |
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