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Title: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 00:29:34 I am in the process of relocating my battery to the ledge on the muffler bracket beneath the swing arm. I have 2 questions I need help with. First being the battery I chose. The smallest (by far) I am aware of is MOTY Designs 8 cell, but am also considering the Battery Tender BTL14A240C, Shorai LFX14L2-BS, Ballistic Evo2 8 cell, or the Yuasa YTZ7S (or it's cheaper alternative Motocross brand). Now I love in Houston TX so it rarely gets cold here and am at sea level. My first choice is leaving towards the MOTY Design battery as it is the smallest and can come standard with quick disconnect, while the others, if they even offer it, adds about another $50. As far as I'm aware all but the Shorai battery use in one fashion or the other an A123 battery. The Shorai uses the square prismatic cells, but they're not encased in metal cylinders like the others. So that's my first issue is just which battery is best for me. Next of course I need to fabricate a battery box to house these which I have read the other thread where another member fabricated a box using lengths on metal and connected them together and bent them, eventually resulting in a battery box. While this was a very good job done, I'm looking for a box more water proof, made from sheet metal with a removable lid which secures to the box and possibly a hinge on the back of the box or some way to remove the rear altogether so if need be I can remove the battery without having to remove the whole box. That wouldn't really be too difficulty as I'd be securing the box to the four holes in the bottom of the muffler bracket, but all the same I'd prefer to avoid that if possible . Now, regardless of the size of the battery I want to make it as large as possibly so I can possibly put other things in the box or if not in the box, perhaps fit a bracket of the lid that say I could put the rectifier or the computer on and this would also allow me to put a good amount of cushion in to protect everything. So any ideas on how to, or where I would go do have this made of preferable make myself as I'm a poor college student, or any good blueprints that are similar to what I described I would very much appreciate it. Lastly, I will obviously need to do a good bit of rewiring and any help on how to do this would be great. I have already removed the airbox and the side panels so I had to relocate the computer that was hidden by the left side cover under my seat over my carb, so that more likely than the rectifier will be needed to be moved down there. My main goal is to clear out the middle area of the bike where the airbox and battery were obviously, but I eventually want to do a Cafe Racer or Bratstyle type seat so I'll eventually need to relocate the rectifier, but that'll be a while from now (poor college student). Please any help would greatly be appreciated, but I'm most concerned with the fabrication of the battery box. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Yoshi on 03/11/14 at 03:48:09 This should help ya http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1259644714 |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Dave on 03/11/14 at 05:25:27 You should also consider the EarthX batteries. They have the cell equalizer built into the battery...a lot of Li-Ion batteries don't have this and require you to get their charger/equalizer for the longest life. I bought the 12A battery and it starts my bike great. I have put about 2,000 miles on the bike since I installed it. http://earthxmotorsports.com/shop/etx12a/ |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by EJID on 03/11/14 at 08:23:26 Still my favorite look...one day I will move my battery and have the "wide open spaces" 8-) (Moved his battery to the saddlebag then eliminated the battery box and airbox) - was DiamondJim's bike, not mine http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/6-6.jpg |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Serowbot on 03/11/14 at 09:02:27 I'm not crazy for the "there's a hole in my motorcycle" look... If I moved the battery, I'd have to fill that space with something else... Maybe a lunchbox... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by shorty on 03/11/14 at 11:50:15 I went with the Shorai 14 amp and plan to put it on the ledge under the swing arm.. The battery is sealed so no need to waterproof it, and orientation of the battery is not an issue (no fluid) I will leave the airbox stock for now with the sidecovers in place.. This enables me to leave the module under the left cover (as stock) The battery cables need to be lengthened, smaller than 10 gauge will cause a voltage drop |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by shorty on 03/11/14 at 11:55:48 sorry I just realized you are concerned about the battery box.. I am just placing the battery on it's side and a rubber pad beneath it.. Then large zip-ties to secure |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 13:05:56 7B6A7B424E404A595840422B0 wrote:
This was the thread I was referring to in my first post. A good job, but I'm looking for something more professional. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 13:07:44 02393423323E252338303D22510 wrote:
I forgot to mention these batteries and yes I do find that to be a very good selling point. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 13:09:47 404F4C41050 wrote:
This is exactly the look I'm going for! |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Kirill Timofeev on 03/11/14 at 21:35:13 I like idea of moving battery to muffler bracket by 2 things worry me: 1. It's hard to access. 2. I don't quite understand how to protect it from dirt and water. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 22:00:02 4F501D1312131D240 wrote:
1) The area is really quite easy to access if you remove the exhaust or if you just get real low on the ground you can get at it relatively easy. 2) The whole purpose of this post is mainly about a battery box for the battery so the battery and everything in it will be protected from dirt and water and will be cushioned with lots of padding. I rarely ride in the rain unless it happens unexpectedly, regardless, anything down there will subject to the elements, hence why I want the battery box to protect everything. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 22:06:28 I sent rough blueprints and dimensions to a motorcycle shop today for a quote, and after awhile I'm emailed back saying it would cost $150. This is what I'm trying to avoid. It's a piece of sheet metal with a few bends, welded, with a small lid. This shouldn't cost more than $50 and I think that's even too much... What do I do!?!? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by S-P on 03/11/14 at 22:10:55 3F232D2338253F324A0 wrote:
Check with a sheet metal shop that does air conditioning ductwork etc. The bike shop probably would sub contract to someone like that anyway because they won't have the machinery to do metal work. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 22:22:28 Thanks for the tip! I'll give that a shot tomorrow. Do you have an idea what something like this might / should cost? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/11/14 at 23:18:45 To try and make this box as painless as possible I just purchased off eBay the same muffler mount that comes on the Savage, so I'll be able to take this with me when creating the box and it's dimensions. I think that will greatly help me get this done. Really leaning towards that Earth X battery right now. It is the largest but so far from my measurements it will be just small enough to fit. Curious if a quick disconnect cable will be compatible with this... |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Dave on 03/12/14 at 05:25:32 79656B657E6379740C0 wrote:
Not sure why you want a quick disconnect? The Savage does not draw any current when the key is off, and the EarthX people don't recommend using any kind of battery tender as the battery does not lose power when not being used. If you do install a quick disconnect....it has to be a big one.....big enough to flow the current to run the starter. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/12/14 at 06:48:14 That's a good point, but as it was previously noted, the location is hard to access, so on the unfortunate chance I have battery trouble while not at home, I could conveniently get my battery out and quick. Or maybe it is just good advertising and not really worth it, I'm new to these (LiFePO4) batteries, but a lot have that option , and I've had a few very difficult times with my current lead acid battery needing a charge and things being difficult since no battery tenders. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Dave on 03/12/14 at 07:13:51 You can wire in a battery tender/chargng lead easily, and it does not have to be larger wires as you will not use if for jumping....only charging at a rate of 1-2 amps. The only downside of Li-Ion batteries (if you ignore the cost).....is that they will be ruined if you ever let them go completely flat or overcharge them. They have no sense of humor when it comes to those two conditions. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by savagebob on 03/12/14 at 17:08:27 Here is out I did it, I just used the standard bracket which worked sweet and much more straight forward than mucking around making a new holder. http://www.retrotech.co.nz/Projects/SavageBob.php |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by clearush on 03/12/14 at 20:27:46 you can always get rid of the battery box and leave the battery ;D easier that way. Glad to see another Savage rider down here in H-town. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by S-P on 03/12/14 at 20:45:39 2F333D3328352F225A0 wrote:
Not a clue. I've had custom sheet metal folded for under 50.00 here in Phoenix. It will all depend on where you live and basically how far away the shop owner sees you coming.... ;) I always get better prices showing up in my construction work clothes and a "good ol' boy" attitude. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by HondaLavis on 03/12/14 at 20:52:34 If you have a few tools to do this yourself, it really is not that hard. I don't worry too much about weather protection, and I have ridden in plenty of rain with this. I used the Batteries+ store brand alternative to the Yuasa YTZ7S, and I made my own bracket out of strap steel and some carriage bolts. To remove my battery, all I have to do is cut a zip tie and unscrew the terminals. I used rubber from an old bicycle inner tube to isolate it from vibration. When this bracket is made, you will find that you HAVE to test fit it on your bike. The space there is VERY limited - only about .5 -.75 inches of total wiggle room front to back. Also, you may have to rearrange/reroute a few cables. I was able to complete this mod without having to make any changes or splicing to my wires. This was facilitated by removing the airbox but keeping the side covers. When I have to replace this battery, I'll probably get an EarthX. The Yuasa will get the job done, but don't leave the lights on while you're still talking or saying goodbye. You'll wind up learning how to push-start your Savage! :P |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Serowbot on 03/13/14 at 01:05:26 That location,... down under, is reinventing the wheel... the Intruder has the battery down there already... it's a PIA to get to... Ours ain't good, but that is worse... The advantage is you get to have hole behind your head... If you like the idea of locating your battery further away, and nearer to the exhaust... so that you have a useless hole where your battery should be... go for it... ...but,.. what did you gain?... other than different?... but, unintentionally identical to an Intruder...(which sucks!).... If the battery were in the stock Intruder position... inconveniently, far, low, and near the muffler... would you be locating it up and forward by the cylinder and under the carb?... In some instances... you are fighting 100 years of development... "I'm going to mount my handlebars behind me!"... "I'm mounting my gas tank in my tire?"... "I want my exhaust to blow forward!"... What advantage does a dirt bound battery give?... Less protection, more heat, harder access. longer wire run, Ours ain't the easiest access... but I see no advantage... I think we have the right location... but not good access... JMHO rant... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/13/14 at 22:05:38 What I stand to gain is purely an aesthetics issue. I want it clear in that area. In terms of putting my battery in harms ways essentially as you 'ranted', that's the whole point of a battery box with cushioning inside. Yes I'll have to do some rewiring, but that's not too difficult for me. And I got a draft made up from a metal shop today for $30 with a removable rear cover, rather than the top, so access will actually be much easier in my opinion, and If I set it up with a quick disconnect, well then all the easier. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by S-P on 03/13/14 at 22:13:09 54484648534E5459210 wrote:
Nice! Another win for going outside the "bike shop" box. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/13/14 at 22:25:49 It was pointed out to me earlier about the Earth X ETX12L battery and how it has a built in cell balancer, (so no special expensive charger required), or as they call it (BMS). Upon further digging I've come to find that the Shorai LFX14L2-BS, and the Scorpion SST12B-SP also have this feature, and one thing I like about the Scorpion battery is it has a button you can push on it to run a self diagnostic check on it, though they are weird about not listing amperage, but they compare the battery I listed above as being the equivalent as the Shorai or the Earth X. The Scorpion is the cheapest at $113, and although the Shorai is listed about $160 I've found online retailers where I could get for about $120, and the Earth X is pretty much going to be $169. As much as I would like the Earth X it's the largest and I'm concerned it will leave me with very minimal room for cushioning. I like the Scorpion, but I've heard very little about them and am slightly reluctant. Shorai seems to be the one I'm most leaning towards. Does anyone have experience Scorpion batteries and or any thoughts on my thinking the Shorai LFX14L2-BS is the battery to go with. Also, would it matter if I go with the L2 or the A2 version? Or I guess I'm just asking does polarity matter in this instance / application? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Kirill Timofeev on 03/13/14 at 22:34:59 I see 2 reasons to relocate battery: make easier access to carb and lower center of mass of the bike. Both goals can be achieved by installation of mini battery, though. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/13/14 at 22:45:32 594F58455D48455E2A0 wrote:
I'm rather confused with your comment and comparisons you made. It almost comes across as if your questioning why do anything at all to the bike, I mean after all, that's the way Suzuki built it so they should know best, right? I'm not trying to be rude or anything but this website is the main source for making modifications to the Savage on the Internet. I'm almost certain I've seen many posts you've made talking about mods you've done yourself. And in terms of safety of the parts, well I think this pales in comparison to the many threads there are about adding power to the bike by big boring it out and adding a larger piston, high performance camshafts, etc... Those things increase the compression a great deal and could blow the whole motor. I'm just relocation my battery, which also from this forum I've seen countless others do. Granted they usually put in beneath the seat in the space left from doing a Ryca conversion or something to that effect where they mount some sheet metal to create their own compartment. Anyways I'm ranting now, but I've taken all the dimensions into account, and even bought a muffler bracket off eBay so I can take it to the fabricator and he can build it perfectly to size so I won't have to worry about the rear swing arm hitting it or the frame above, so given all this and the fact I'm going to be insulating it like crazy and waterproofing it, I don't see the problem... |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/13/14 at 22:49:20 6778353B3A3B350C0 wrote:
Also a very good point I forgot to mention. I have a pod filter on now and had to remove the top cover of the stock battery box just so it could fit. My relocation will make any work I need to get done in that area completely accessible. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Serowbot on 03/13/14 at 23:00:18 My previous post came out much more negative than I intended... Apologies... I have bicycle pedals for footpegs... :-/... Pffftt!... I don't know why I like that... Can't say it's smart or practical though... ;D... Best luck on yer' mod... and give us some finished pics... |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/13/14 at 23:08:40 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
No apologies necessary! I'll be posting pics very soon. I finally got my Dyna muffler on with a little bend outwards and slightly extended and I wanted to post that but I'm waiting for this battery mod because as it is currently the state of my battery box is not good so it'd be an eye sore lol. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by seedubs1 on 03/14/14 at 12:15:38 Please post lots of pics of the install. The other installs like this that people always link to have broken picture links, so they're pretty worthless at this point. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by motox56 on 03/14/14 at 16:02:35 Antigravity 8 cell battery with hold down bracket. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by motox56 on 03/14/14 at 16:09:25 Another picture |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/15/14 at 00:11:52 That looks great! I just want my battery fully enclosed... |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by shorty on 03/16/14 at 07:01:26 why fully enclosed? There is no need to keep water off the battery. 12 volts is not sensitive to water and the battery is fully sealed. you can run a garden hose over the battery and cables with no effect |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/16/14 at 13:22:40 I realize they are waterproof and come in who built cases, but as it was pointed out earlier, putting the battery in this location exposes it to elements of which water is not the only one. I realize the unlikeliness that a rock or something to that effect will be kicked up and damage the battery, but I consider it a possibility. Also a major reason I want it enclosed is that I'll obviously have to do a bit of rewiring and I plan on making the box as large as I can for a two fold reason. First is so any battery that normally would fit in that area can be put in should the need arise, although I am pretty sure the Earth X ETX12A is as wide of a battery that I'll be able to squeeze in at 2.6in or 66mm wide (I think I'm going to have to cut some of the bolt down that is holding the bracket in and find a narrower nut to hold it in, and use some threadlock just to be safe). Secondly is since I'm doing all this rewiring I I want to hide as much of the possible extra wire and any other things that don't make the bike look proper. In my opinion that would certainly include hidden wires and personally I'd rather just not even see my battery, so that's why I am painting the battery box black so that whole area will hopefully go unnoticed altogether. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/16/14 at 18:07:41 So I finally decided and took the plunge, I got the Earth X ETX12A and found a coupon code for 10% off so reduced from $169 to $153. Considering it has a great warranty and is as far as I'm concerned is the best overall battery with its built in BMS (battery management system) so I won't have to spend an extra $50 or so just to properly charge and balance the cells. If anyone else is considering the Earth X brand, you can go to www.warpoffroad.com and use coupon code: AZOP10. That may just apply to the battery or the whole website but I was just happy it worked so I jumped on it. I figure in the long run this will be the best choice and most economical given not needing any special chargers or cell balancers, etc... So Monday I'm expecting the battery bracket I ordered on eBay to come in and hopefully before the end of the week I'll have my battery too so once I have both of those I'll head over to the metal shop I spoke with and this project will finally be all ready to complete. Many pictures will be included. On a side note I am considering mounting the rectifier on the front outside of the battery and maybe having a piece of metal I can attach in front of that to protect it, yet still leaving it open on the sides for ventilation. Thoughts? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by old_rider on 03/16/14 at 18:27:24 Uig, i'll be watching and listening about your battery and views on it. I like the idea of opening the center area and making it look less crowded and have been wondering what i'm going to do once I get my savage (can't experiment on the wife's ). Moto, I like your placement, a removable shield with wing nuts would make the battery accessable without tools in case you would need to. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by motox56 on 03/16/14 at 19:12:25 Using a fake oil tank for the rectifier, solenoid, ignition box and other electrical connections. Battery is well protected behind motor with muffler on one side, belt and belt guard on the other side, and swing arm to the rear. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by shorty on 03/17/14 at 10:59:50 uigi- good luck on the batt and mod, I'm certain it will be sanitary when through ;) |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/24/14 at 19:54:37 So this weekend I'll be making the mod. I got myself the Earth X ETX12A battery which with its built in BMS allowing for normal charging and the protection of over charging or going under powered and bricking I am very pleased with this and I got it (normally $169 plus tax and shipping) for ten percent off with free shipping and no tax so $153 and no need to purchase special chargers. Only concern is it is the widest of the ones I was considering and so I'm going to have to be clever about making this box work while still allowing me to put padding in for the batteries protection. Anyways I'll be posting pictures soon, I had a wiring question first. As I'm extending where my battery is by about a foot in terms of the terminals, I called Earth X and asked them what size wire I should use and it took awhile getting in touch with the tech people but the receptionist relayed that they said '10 gauge @150 Celsius.' I know what the ten gauge means, but not sure about the rest? Also I am trying to determine what I should also move to the box, be it inside out our. I think I want to mount the rectifier to the front of the box, but I was thinking before that, I should move the computer module that is held behind the left cover there and I forget what it's called but following all the battery wires they lead to a cylindrical bit of metal that is mounted on the fender also. In terms of looks in the center obviously I'm going for the look of 'Black Beauty' posted above, I even want or am considering the metal plate mounted to the battery box bottom which follows up the rear of the frame (and any blueprints of what that would look like would be great), but eventually I plan on having a bench style seat so the rectifier and the other thing I don't know what's called would eventually have to be moved. That mod will be a ways away so it's not a rush, but if it's something I could do easily, I might as well get it done all at the same time so everything fits right, not one thing now then need to move those things and have to find somewhere to put them again. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 03/24/14 at 19:58:03 56544F54432E2D1B0 wrote:
As much as I like this, like I said, I want to keep the center part of the frame around the engine totally empty as possible. Thanks for the idea though. If I was going for more of a bobbed look I would do this but I'm going for a Bratstyle / Cafe look (without the bump in the rear of the seat or clip on handlebars). |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/03/14 at 19:58:42 So I've finished my project. It took me 10 hours last night between rewiring, making my own main battery wire with auxiliary cable, and actually getting the box mounted. It was a lot more tedious than I thought it'd be. I ended up having to remove the gas tank and exhaust which I didn't plan on, but now that everything is done, my new box got scratched quite a bit. I didn't take any pictures as I was focused on getting done quickly and had school that morning (didn't finish until 5am) but soon I will take it apart and reassemble with a good bit of photos to show the steps. Now though where my battery box used to mount is just bare, so I'm thinking of putting a steel plate over it like on black beauty, and am probably going to mount the rectifier where the old box used to be. Overall it's not a tough mod to finish , regardless of having a battery box or not, but making the wiring look nice is a pain, had to lengthen lots of wire's. Also thinking of making that bit of steel follow the frame up to the carb, so I can mount things and more easily hide things beneath the seat and when I change my seat by welding on some DOM tubing, I'll have a little compartment there , ironically, I'll probably put my battery there once I change my seat this way, so this mod I've done could be just temporary, but for now I love having the free space I've created by relocating the battery box. Ok so once again, pics will be coming soon, but it looks great! |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by ToesNose on 04/04/14 at 08:27:24 Looks bangin Motox!!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by kochic on 04/05/14 at 08:41:36 Its my first post since i registered, after reading for more than a year i'm starting a bobber built. I will try to fit a smaller battery to the exhaust bracket. Thanks, Marc |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by kochic on 04/07/14 at 17:31:19 I just bought a ytz7s today, my bracket is almost done. Marc |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/07/14 at 19:32:19 Here is the sheet metal before it was bent. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/07/14 at 19:33:48 Box assembled. Notice the holes where the bracket mounts. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/07/14 at 19:34:32 Painting my box black. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/07/14 at 19:35:43 Bike all polished and rewired! |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/07/14 at 19:36:48 More pics... |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/07/14 at 19:37:42 Front view. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/07/14 at 19:39:05 Rear |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by kochic on 04/08/14 at 13:43:02 wow, nice workmanship on the box. Marc |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/08/14 at 18:53:11 Thanks, I'll have more pics soon of the instalation process. Probably gonna have to repaint the box, it got scuffed a bit but now I know how to get it up much easier. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by S-P on 04/08/14 at 21:08:33 58444A445F4258552D0 wrote:
Question... how does the box affect being able to put the bike on a bike lift? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by LANCER on 04/09/14 at 05:02:32 Are you going to build in some panels similar to what DiamondJim did ? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/09/14 at 06:42:34 4F48594A59524C5D49503C0 wrote:
Question... how does the box affect being able to put the bike on a bike lift? [/quote] It doesn't, the box doesn't modify the bracket in any way so it's not lower than before. One of my main concerns before was the box scratching against the bracket so I put a thin strip of neoprene cut to match the bottom of the mount and for the sides I wrapped the bracket with some self adhesive silicone (kinda like thick electric tape that isn't sticky, but good lord, if it touches itself out is on for good.... Anyways I'm gonna scrap that idea and cover the parts of the bracket I'm worried about with liquid electrical tape. Well I think I am, I need to check if that had a melting point. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/09/14 at 06:47:46 3538373A3C2B6B6E590 wrote:
I think I know what your referring to but can you link the thread for what your referring too? If your referring to covering up the old battery box location mount with sheet metal and having it follow the frame up, I've been working on a to scale piece of cardboard and will probably mount the rectifier to it. If that's not what you mean then I'll need a link. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/09/14 at 15:10:24 Had some free time today so I finally took the plunge and am getting rid of my faded out exhaust header, spent an hour sanding it down and have the primer on, about to apply the matte black color and then a coat of clear for a slight satin finish, but not glossy. More pics to come. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by LANCER on 04/10/14 at 04:30:06 3A2628263D203A374F0 wrote:
I think I know what your referring to but can you link the thread for what your referring too? If your referring to covering up the old battery box location mount with sheet metal and having it follow the frame up, I've been working on a to scale piece of cardboard and will probably mount the rectifier to it. If that's not what you mean then I'll need a link. [/quote] That sheet metal is what I was referring to. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Dave on 04/10/14 at 04:39:05 7C606E607B667C71090 wrote:
I didn't know you could get High Temperature Clear? :o |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Kris01 on 04/10/14 at 12:12:51 VHT makes a clear high-temp paint. I've never tried it though. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/10/14 at 13:32:11 Really bummed out, my header looked perfect, but I guess I didn't apply enough to the top end where it gets hottest and it essentially burned through and so it looks great on the middle but the upper and end part has a grayish primer color, so I think I need to wait a week before I can apply more coats, but hopefully that will get it looking right... Any suggestions on how to fix this? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Kris01 on 04/10/14 at 14:05:32 You need to cure high-temp paint slowly. Ride for a few miles and then shut it down to cool for a few hours. Then, ride again a little longer, etc. You need to cure the paint in stages. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Dave on 04/10/14 at 14:11:22 0B3229337071400 wrote:
Not just slow....painfully slow. I first set the freshly painted part in the sun for a day or two. Then when it is mounted I start the engine and let it run for 10 seconds....shut it off and let it cool down. Then the next time I let run 15 seconds and shut it off. Each time I let it run a bit longer. Slow curing makes all the difference.....you can't just fire it up and go for a ride. If you can find someone with an oven like a powder painter....have them cure it for you. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by Kris01 on 04/10/14 at 14:13:23 Speaking of ovens...don't use the one in your kitchen. You want to use an oven dedicated to curing paint. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/14 at 14:21:49 get a hair dryer or the industrial version |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/10/14 at 14:27:24 I followed the instructions on the can. After letting it dry for an extra hour longer than required I ran at idle for 10 min, then cool for 20 min. Then run at idle for 20 min, cool for 20 min. Then run around at normal speeds (I just drove around for said time) for 30 min and let cool then your done. That's what the cans say and their website. Also, it started to lose color within the first curing time. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/10/14 at 14:29:34 Also on the can it says to wait a week before applying more coats. Do I have to wait a week? Do I have to do the whole thing over again or can I just wet sand the bad parts and give them a heavier coat then the other good portion and then do the ultra slow curing? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/10/14 at 19:09:17 796A7D7C636E686A613E0F0 wrote:
Would a heat gun like one used for shrink wrap work? Also heard of using a blow torch to heat up the inside of the pipe...? |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by kochic on 04/21/14 at 10:28:58 I had time to work on my battery bracket. At first i modified the muffler bracket but was not happy with it. I made one from scrap metal.I still need to fab a hold down strap. Marc http://i57.tinypic.com/zstt2t.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/a2ug4n.jpg |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 04/21/14 at 10:32:30 Oh I really like that! I was wanting to do something where it would require a whole new set up for the muffler bracket, but don't have the resources at the moment. Yours looks much easier to access then mine. |
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Title: Re: Battery relocation to muffler bracket help Post by uigiroux on 05/26/14 at 16:22:24 69646B6660773732050 wrote:
Yes I intend on doing something very similar to his mods. |
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