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Title: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by s40guy on 03/03/14 at 19:09:48 I have been doing some looking at different oil posts for my 2006 S40. Can you tell me, in your opinions, if using the Spectro 10w-40 Semi Synthetic oil would have enough of the ZDDP in it for the S40? I have my idle at about 1100 to 1200 rpms. It was a little lower than that for about a day but I turned it up to make sure I was not going to have engine problems. right now there is about 9,000 miles on it and I know I will be getting with Versy this summer to do the cam tensioner mod. I planned on checking it at about 12,00 miles and have been listening all the time for the cam sound of death. Thank you very much. S40 guy. :) |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by pgambr on 03/03/14 at 20:30:44 I did a bit of research a few months ago and I don't think you can have to much regardless of which oil you choose. I went to amazon and bought a 4-pack of zddplus. Incidentally, I have been very impressed with Rotella Dino as well as T6. Check this out of you haven't yet. ;) http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565 |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Kris01 on 03/04/14 at 19:05:24 According to my research, you CAN have too much zinc in your oil. I've found that levels approaching 2000 ppm can have a detrimental effect on your engine. I use Shell Rotella T 15W-40 with 2 ounces of Redline ZDDP booster. Off the top of my head I think that puts my oil at around 1200-1500 ppm. |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by pgambr on 03/05/14 at 03:31:35 635A415B1819280 wrote:
I use Rotella T with 2 onces of ZDDP additive as well. You are correct regarding the 2k ppm, that would be a lot! |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by ToesNose on 03/05/14 at 04:31:13 Rotella straight up here. |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/14 at 13:15:03 I saw a Savage with 90+ thousand miles on it some years ago. Like maybe 06 or 07. From the looks of it, it was never pampered. Id bet it never saw any ZDDP. It probably didnt have the benefit of Rotella. Not everyone knows about it. Putting some ZDDP in cant be a bad plan, but Id be willing to bet that just running Rotella-T will keep the engine alive for so long the rest of it will be plenty shabby & youll be way tired of it. Ive come to the point in life where I see the end of things, including me. I am a lot more REasoned in my behavior toward things. I see no reason to go to the ends of the world to keep an engine alive for years past the chassis. Im all for avoiding allowing poor maintenance habits creating repairs, but going above & beyond what is necessary just so I can feel superior to everyone else? Never did.. Its almost the same emotional thinking the truly uninformed often express when talking about gasoline "I only give my BayBee Premium, cuz she deserves the best",, just dumping $$ in a hole for nothing,, The questions I ask myself now are Will this time & $$$ Im investing actually change the USEful life of the machine? If not, Im backing off.. Ive even slowed down oil changes on the lawnmower,, I can SEE the future of that thing,, it uses Zero oil after 7 years, runs really well. The death of it will be in the deck & transmission areas. Busting my butt to keep that engine in Super Shape? Why? Ill get at least 5 more years out of the engine at this rate. I dont see the deck & steering & drive axle & all that making it more than another 5 years, So, look down the road, decide how you want to keep things. Dont allow "training" to be what decides for you how you spend your time & $$$. Im not suggesting being lazy & not taking care of things, Im just saying that sometimes what we've been taught may be costing us time & $$$ unnecessarily. |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Dave on 03/05/14 at 13:24:10 JOG You probably just shot holes in my chainsaw maintenance program. I have Pro-Grade Stihl saws probably good for about 1,000 hours of use, I use good synthetic oil and non-ethanol gas. I suppose I put about 5 - 10 hours of actual cutting time on them a year, most the time I spend on the wood gathering chores is spent dragging brush, splitting or moving and stacking the downed trees. So it appears.....my saws have another 80 years of use left in them? :o |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/14 at 18:56:23 Are you diligent about emptying the fuel & running them dry? If so, maybe the non ethanol is a step beyond. If theyre modern enough that the manufacturer should expect to see ethanol fuels, then the little, fidgety carbs are problee okay on plaino pump gas,, I think the W-650 isnt okay with it,, the accelerator pump diaphragm died,, it was ate up.. I have a saw I left with fuel in it, after almost a year it fired right up. Taking care of something like a high $$$ chain saw, youre not spending much $$ or time ABOVE what youd spend if you didnt go with the best. Youre not using enough gas or oil in a year to matter either way, if you went the cheap route, what would you save? 5 or 10 bucks? Youre not wasting your life worrying over them or spending much. Something that gets used an hour & set up for 6 months? When its time to go, you dont want to have to spend 3 hours cleaning a carb up.. |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Super Thumper on 03/05/14 at 20:42:55 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81ToqzYL9yL._SL1500_.jpg I use Kendall Liquid Titanium GT-1 High Performance 20W-50.....it already has the zinc in it. This is a conventional (Non-Synthetic) motor oil I use this for breaking in new or rebuilt engines Buy it here: http://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M http://pitstopusa.com/c-135752-oil-fluids-paint-motor-oil-kendall-motor-oil-kendall-gt-1-high-performance-motor-oil.html http://www.industrial-oil.net/kegthipemooi.html http://www.phillips66lubricants.com/documents/conoco/industrial_oils/Ken%20GT-1%20High%20Performance%20MO%20(Ti)%20TDSw%20778549.pdf After your engine is properly broken in you can use any one of these synthetic motor oils.....be aware some may not have zinc in them Buy the synthetic oils here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=synthetic%2020w-50%20oil Buy the Synthetic with the zinc already in it here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=20W-50+synthetic+oil+with+zinc&rh=n%3A15684181%2Ck%3A20W-50+synthetic+oil+with+zinc Buy the zinc additive here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dautomotive&field-keywords=zinc%20oil%20additive&sprefix=zinc+%2Cautomotive&rh=i%3Aautomotive%2Ck%3Azinc%20oil%20additive AND Finally, here is a link to Hy-Per Lube Oil additive....great stuff--it works!! http://www.amazon.com/Hy-Per-Lube-Oil-Supplement-Quart/dp/B001DKP66Y/ref=sr_1_29?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1394082819&sr=1-29&keywords=zinc+oil+additive HAPPY MOTORING !! :) |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by S-P on 03/05/14 at 20:46:15 495650574A4D7C4C7C44565A11230 wrote:
JOG, yep. I'm 62 and yeah, stuff dies. Immortality if an illusion. Do your regular maintenance and identified issues and accept reality. |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Serowbot on 03/05/14 at 22:19:31 3A3D2C3F2C2739283C25490 wrote:
JOG, yep. I'm 62 and yeah, stuff dies. Immortality if an illusion. Do your regular maintenance and identified issues and accept reality. [/quote] Speak fer yer'sef'... >:(... Of all my delusions,.. it's my immortality I cherish most... ;D... ...(not so much, that I'd waste money on ZDDP additive... just straight Rottella)... I'm not totally crazy... :-?... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Kris01 on 03/06/14 at 16:25:01 Allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a sec... If the bike/engine was engineered to run on whatever grade of oil was prevelent at the time and the oil formula changed (less zinc nowadays), then wouldn't it be prudent to add enough zinc to equal the quantity in the older oil that the bike was designed to use? |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Dave on 03/07/14 at 05:14:03 6B5249531011200 wrote:
YUP! |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by pgambr on 03/07/14 at 17:21:38 0F34392E3F33282E353D302F5C0 wrote:
YUP![/quote] That makes me feel a little better after ordering some zddplus. I would want to kick myself if my rockers looked like the ones Dave posted a bit back at 17K. I hope to enjoy my S40 for many years to come. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Kris01 on 03/08/14 at 10:17:23 594E48444B5B290 wrote:
I also have a 2001 Mustang with ~130k on the clock. It has NEVER been in the shop nor has it ever needed to. I perform proper maintenance religiously and it has never let me down! |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/14 at 18:19:26 716F666A646B776C6D030 wrote:
ho hum ..... are we being invited to do an oil war again? I see lots of unsubstantiated stuff, not a single VOA in the lot -- just some oil vendor advertising (off of AMAZON no less). This is interesting ... "After your engine is properly broken in you can use any one of these synthetic motor oils.....be aware some may not have zinc in them" Does he not know that lots of ZDDP is specifically needed during the break in period to keep the cam lobes and the flat tappets from starting the cam tip area mini-pitting and spaulling? That break in jell is just about pure ZDDP additive? Why would you STOP using ZDDP after the break in period is over? Why would you want to use a 20w-50 synthetic oil which would be over recommended weight in the winter time (synthetics do not thin out when hot like the dino oils do). Where do we do these oil wars now? Cafe? How blunt can we be over in Cafe? Blunter than we are in RSD? |
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Title: Re: 2006 S40 Oil question Post by Oldfeller on 03/09/14 at 18:51:09 Feel free to move this to Cafe if that is where Oil Wars are supposed to go. BITOG is aware of this new Titanium stuff from Conoco Phillips Oil company (the folks who just bought the Kendal oil name). http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1850626/3 NOTE PLEASE, this is not the 20w-50 oil it is 5w-30 car oil -- can't find a 20w50 VOA yet http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/6610/21784850.jpg And if Ken2 on BITOG is correct, the Afton Chemical's Liquid Titanium is akin to Moly as a slippery stuff type additive. Quote from Ken2 "Kendall oil used to be something special, or at least some people thought it was. Since it was bought out by ConocoPhillips, Kendall oil is exactly the same as their Conoco, Phillips, and 76 branded oils. Nothing wrong with the oils and nothing really special, either. Good stuff, and I'd use it unless I wanted a clearly superior oil like Red Line, Pennz Ultra, Schaeffer, Amz, etc. The Liquid Titanium is good. Afton Chemical's Liquid Titanium plus ZDDP is actually a lower cost alternative to moly plus ZDDP with about the same benefits. I've read the patent paperwork, and that is what it's for and why they use it. ZDDP as an antiwear agent is very hard and good at preventing wear, but is high friction. ZDDP plus moly or Liquid Titanium is very anti-wear plus low friction." :P So far Kendall Liquid Titanium GT-1 High Performance Oil seems to be just another low ZDDP SL-SM grade car oil .... not suitable for the Savage for the low ZDDP numbers that are provided .... and not suitable for the addition of low friction modifiers which may affect wet clutch performance over time. We will keep an eye out for any 20w50 VOAs -- the Harley Guys will do a few sooner or later as that is what the 20W50 oils are generally intended for. |
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