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Message started by Oldfeller on 02/11/14 at 20:47:12

Title: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE ????
Post by Oldfeller on 02/11/14 at 20:47:12

http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/intel-gpu.jpg

Intel builds a GPU that’s 40 percent more efficient

"By better regulating voltage, going to sleep while not in use, and implementing a few other tweaks, Intel’s new graphics processor can use 40 percent less energy while offering the same performance as a similar chip. [PC World]

Intel’s been making pretty big strides in reducing power consumption with its Bay Trail and Haswell chips, and now the company’s taking aim at graphics processors. Intel is demonstrating a new 22nm tri-gate GPU that it says is 40 percent more efficient."

Now, having said all that and shown us a picture of it, what all is wrong with this picture?

And yes, Virginia, this is a mobile chipset for phones and tablets ....

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Post by verslagen1 on 02/11/14 at 21:53:11

Other than it's a test board... why does have 5 power cables?

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Post by ToesNose on 02/12/14 at 06:12:29

Multiple power inputs are normal on test boards, they help power different mock components and such. Nothing looks obviously out of place to me, other then a large heat sink for a mobile device processor, but it is in testing.

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Post by Pine on 02/12/14 at 06:26:34

Yeah I would have said waaay too many molex power connections. Big ole fat heat sink... but I am a software guy.

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/12/14 at 07:03:49

Yep to all of that --- but what bothers me most is they are apparently still working in business group silos over at Intel still and this is the design output of the GPU silo group. It is a separate GPU with a heat sink on it.

A SEPARATE GPU chip still ..... nobody else does it that way. Everyone else would design the GPU in complete integration with the CPU and with the various other bits like the radio and GPS etc etc

Intel has a lot of internal changing yet to do. They have to learn how to integrate their entire product, to make a harmonious single chip design out of it.

No wonder they still require relatively huge motherboards if all the various bits and pieces are designed separately and interfaced through the motherboard.

And I have to ask the question --- 40% more efficient compared to what ??? Your last year's clunky monster?

Intel is crowing about teaching their home designed GPU to go to wait states (sleep) while the CPU is displaying a unchanging screen. Mobil chipsets have been doing that for over 5 years now.

ARM Mobil chipsets are dicing out much finer details now, like how to do compute sharing with up to 8 separate CPU cores running at different speeds while outperforming VR graphics (who a strong competitor who can on chip integrate with your other stuff).

Intel is still playing with GMA graphics type thinking in a mobile world that left that level behind 5+ years ago.

And why are they boasting about having to use their tri-gate technology while still at 22mn? All 3-D lithography techniques will cost you money in scrap and processing time.

Remember, at the current state of the art at 18-20mn the ARM designs still don't require 3-D lithography.

(but they will start needing it on the next 14-16nm step downwards).

Intel is NOT competitive by design, nor by process any more.
Ignoring what they say and looking strictly at what they do, one of the Chinese Cheapie guys (Mediatek) have lapped Intel now, actually & factually. Lapped them on integration, processor efficiency, processor count, and lithography size. Beat them 4 times over -- gotta sting, gotta sting bad.

;)

I know Mediatek is South Korean and would be very upset at being called a Chinese anything.
Since they have Whupped UP on Intel I should start calling them the SKG (South Korean Giant).

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/12/14 at 07:55:00

Future prediction time:

Intel will crow and crow and will eventually uncork a 14nm process mobile something or other. Because of the lithography, it will have an inherent 30-40% improvement in energy consumption (theoretically speaking) to what Intel is doing now.

But this will be a 30-40% theoretical improvement over current Intel designs which currently require a separate on-board energy nanny chip to fakemock doing something close to current REAL ARM energy consumption levels?

Prediction: Intel's first 14nm chipsets will be VERY COSTLY and they will have to be very strongly loss leader priced so they can sell into some real products.

And once the vapor cloud actually settles they might not really be more price/performance efficient compared to the then current 20mn ARM offerings from the Chinese Cheapie guys.

This has consistently been the case before, after all the vapor settles.

Before, Intel could get away with gross inefficiency because MS ran on them. MS is no longer a compelling advantage and Intel knows it.

The story will change drastically whenever a FOSS general purpose ARM OS becomes widely accepted.

Intel may never get their head above water ever again ....

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Post by LANCER on 02/14/14 at 13:07:50

56757D7F7C75757C6B190 wrote:

Sounds like it is time to "short" Intel stock...or is it too late already ? Hmmm, maybe not. It is $24.75 today, which is about the 3 year average, so there is plenty of room to make some money on their way down.

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/14/14 at 23:28:11

Not yet time to count Intel out -- Nadella at Microsoft is going to show Intel THE WAY to succeed in phone/tablet space and he is gonna want his good buddy Intel to make it for him.

Nadella is gonna show Intel how to fill up all those huge wafers with billions of little bitty 22nm (then later on 14nm) copies of Microsoft's new ARM standard chipsets for Windroid.

Yup, what is gonna save both Microsoft and Intel is to make ARM their centrality -- and do it better and cheaper than the Chinese Cheapie guys can do it.

Microsoft is gonna lift a full copy of the Android Open Source Project and the Chromium OS Open Source Project while it is still out there under the Apache 2.0 license (the one that it is currently running under) and they are gonna MicroChop it as theirs.

There will be some illegality with the Chromium stuff as it isn't licensed to anyone yet by Google officially, it is just out there for community development.

So Windroid will be born, Microsoft's Threshold Project will be a frankie OS system built from Open Source Android and Open Source Chromium Project parts with some Linux parts and some BSD parts and a very few proprietary Windows parts tacked on it here and there just to legitimatize it as "Windroid".

Just like they did with DOS and OS 2 and Netscape and you name it in the past .....

It will be Windroid, the stitched together from stolen parts monster that could change the world.

Then Microsoft/Nokia/Intel is gonna want the very best of the ARM 64 bit designs run under Intel's full ARM design license (slightly modified in a proprietary fashion of course) run by the big huge wafer full at 22-14 nm on Intel's very best lithography processes to use to fuel the new Windroid Revolution .....

..... and the two large cash fat companies are going to group together to loss leader the chipsets and stolen OS system into carving out a huge new phone/tablet market share for themselves by actively running all of the least of the ARM Cheapie Chinese completely out of business inside of 6 months. And a few of the middle sized ones as well .....

You see, Windroid will have a consistent set of published software/hardware STANDARDS associated with it .... something the cheapie guys could never get straight in their little lacrosse stick wielding little puddin' heads in a million years.

You see, Microchoke knows that the guy who publishes and controls the INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS wins all the legal battles after the fact.

Also never forget that Intel has a manufacturing side, and that at one point in time they built more white box computers CHEAPER than anyone else in the world.

The NUC itself is a current Intel in-house product and Intel builds all the motherboards, power supplies and boxes for Dell even up to today.

Microchoke has Nokia for their manufacturing force.

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It is the old old Wintel Way all over again and again and yet again -- if you can't beat them fairly by competing against them with your own good ideas, then by golly screw them over by stealing their ideas from them and claiming them as yours ..... simply by writing, publishing and enforcing a set of standards.

And by actively suing the hell out of the people who breach YOUR published set of standards .... yup, the arsehole with the most lawyers always wins in the end.

And it's not like suing people for "infringement" isn't a 1 billion+ dollars per year Business Group there at Microsoft (because it is).

The guys from Digital Research, Bell Palo Alto Labs, Netscape and IBM OS 2 are waving their arms and yelling and hopping up and down saying
"Hells Bells boys, pay attention -- you are letting them do it all over again !!!"

And they are :-/

Google, wake the fluck UP !!!!

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Post by LANCER on 02/15/14 at 02:39:36

Sounds like the way things were back at the beginning when Billy went to Cupertino and spent time with Stevie ... Wozniak that is ... and learned about a new program with these "window" things on the screen, then went off and copied it.

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/15/14 at 06:44:09

Why else do you think they need Bill Gates back out of retirement as "Technical Advisor" so badly?

Nobody else remembers the stealing and conniving that took place back in the beginning better than the man who did it all .....

And unless Bill Gates personally says "Yes, this is the path to take" the rest of Microsoft will simply not follow anyone anywhere else.

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/14 at 09:15:57

I hate the fact I use windows,, I hate gates, the eugenecist bastard,,

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/15/14 at 09:41:37

Justin, DO something about it then.

You got the same world of choices that I started out with. I was never (and am not now) a Linux command line geek -- I just picked my distros VERY carefully so I don't have to be.

There is a little bit of shell shock at change over time, that is why I went dual boot and if something got dicey on me I just went back to Windows to get it done.

But this quickly became rarer and rarer until now I am running a 64 bit Linux Mint (Mate version) on a 2009 vintage $80 refurbie box from Dell Leasing and I am perfectly content with it.

No windows on it at all ..... no chasing anti-virus programs ..... no defragging .....

No expense either -- everything is free.

That is nice too -- money is getting scarcer for me all the time and I am still working a full 40 hours a week, just not at any upscale job any more.

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/15/14 at 10:02:18

As far as Bill and Melinda Gates supporting the extreme socialist ideals of population control and "genetic purging", that may be some guilt laid on them on by association.

There is no doubt they were at one time part of the same councils that reviewed these ideas in the past, but whether Bill and Melinda were there at the time is debatable.

Is Gates fully capable of absconding with somebody else's code then locking that code base down with published international standards then using those published standards to beat the rest of the world up for stealing "his ideas" ???

Oh yeah. Done it 3 times in a large fashion that I can remember.

Here is the rub, he already has downloaded the code for Open Source Android and for Chromium OS as well. That code base "as is" is gone at this point in time.

ARM and Linaro and Linux Kernel can try to fix this issue going into the future only by moving over to the GNU license, which requires all persons modifying the code to give all modifications back to the community. Or immediately rewriting some clauses into the Apache 2.0 license (creating Apache 3.0).

Trying to keep Microsoft out of Apache 2.0 materials at this point in time won't work because too many other folks have put too much work into tweeking their own version of Android under Apache 2.0.

Sad thing is that Windroid will have strong non-free published standards that will be harshly enforced by lawsuits and all the upper level players of the ARM world will be forced by litigation costs to gravitate to honor those standards just as soon as Bill's lawyers start the "suing your ass off" stuff.

And then Microsoft will make more BILLIONS of dollars off of things they never invented or even controlled before now.

All of these open source licenses need some clauses added to prevent this sort of trollish legal take over from happening.

But factually, it may be too late for the Apache 2.0 licensed stuff if Microsoft's lawyers start to move on it now.

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/14 at 10:20:17

How very MOnsantoish of him,,
& yes, he is actively engaged in the eugenics movement, thru the "vaccinations" they so lovingly Give to the 3rd world populations and, IIRC, he is a large Monsatan stock holder.

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/15/14 at 12:42:41

What does a "eugenecist bastard" actually look like these days with his TV make-up on ?

http://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/0g7Qfgk5a98uN/0x600.jpg?fit=scale&background=000000

Right now, so far, he has given away 28 billion dollars in total and is actually worth more today
than he was when he started "giving it all away" a few years back.

Bill Gates is 58 years old. He is always ranked in the top 5 richest men in the world, generally in the 1st - 3rd position.

BTW, he invites you to kiss his wrinkly butt if you don't like it .....

(Whatever it is that you don't like, that is. Bill can't be bothered to keep up with your likes and dislikes after all.)

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/14 at 17:24:13

Rothschild.. where is that name on the list?

& what he Gives away is a tax deductible expenditure that allows him to work toward the goals. The tax free foundations ( think Ford) have been used to undermine our society & government, Yes, they tell us all about the good things they do,, & for most, it makes them see the tax free foundations as Good Guys.. I see a bank robber who held the door for an old woman. Im sure that IF he knew me, the disdain he would have for me would be tangible,,but no more than mine, for him,,

Norman, Dodd, 1982, interviewed by G.E. Griffin.,.Stuff few know..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUYCBfmIcHM

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Post by pgambr on 02/15/14 at 17:34:44

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Rothschild.. where is that name on the list?

Not on Forbes list either? :-?

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/14 at 17:43:15

Uhh, yea,, & theyve made their fortune loaning $$$ to kings.. tell me they arent Supposed to be on that list,, Soooo,, theres the worth of that list.., Anyone DARE mention their name on that list & their career is over.

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Post by pgambr on 02/15/14 at 17:51:41

I've read their wealth is estimated between 20 - 50 trillion.

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/14 at 18:04:51

& Rockefeller, if you remember, in the past coupla years, willed his fortune or just gave the majority of it to them,, WHY?? YOu may ask,, Well,, because Thats where HE got his Big Start AND his marching orders. He has been working against the best interests of America for decades, AND, not only admits it, but brags of how proud he is of it,, in his memoirs.,So, basically, he was just giving the $$$ back to them, And, at the same time, making doubly sure they had the $$$ to keep up the subterfuge that has been used to ruin America.. The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Izerbyt , interviews free, online,
Very few have a clue as to the degree of attack on America, from the CIA driving music in order to drive wedges between generations & to get the People to love crap & lose sight of appreciation for what is good.
The CIA is where the words "Conspiracy Theorist" came from,. Used to diminish the views of those who knew back then Kennedy was killed by more than Oswald. Conspiracies arent common at all,, but,, conspiracy is used in charges against criminals every day,, AND, the Official 9/11 story IS a conspiracy theory,, WHY?? Because a conspiracy is more than 1 working to do what is illegal,, Its that simple,, BUT, the only conspiracy theories are those that dont accept the official conspiracy theory.

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Post by pgambr on 02/15/14 at 18:37:27

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Rockefeller, if you remember, in the past coupla years, willed his fortune or just gave the majority of it to them,, WHY??

Could you elaborate?

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/14 at 19:35:33

I will elaborate rather succinctly

THE END Is NEAR: ROTHSCHILDS and ROCKEFELLERS MERGE FORTUNES ...
www.secretsofthefed.com/the-end-is-near-rothschilds-and... Cached
SOURCE: ZERO HEDGE. Globalist kingpin David Rockefeller and top bankster Lord Jacob Rothschild will merge operations, according to the Financial Times:
Rockefeller and Rothschild Dynasties Join Forces - NYTimes.com
dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/rockefeller-and... Cached
RIT Capital and Rockefeller Financial Services said that they would collaborate on investment opportunities and other areas of ... The Rothschilds, ...
Is The End Nigh: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge | Zero Hedge
www.zerohedge.com/...nigh-rockefellers-and-rothschilds-merge Cached
... The Rockefellers and The Rothschilds are uniting under a common group as Rothschild Investment Trust and Rockefeller ... (David Rockefeller 96, ...
Rothschilds and Rockefellers merge: Big money behind big ...
voiceofrussia.com/2012_06_08/77502619 Cached
Rothschilds and Rockefellers merge: ... the Rothschild and Rockefeller families. ... made its fortune from the Napoleonic wars.
THE END Is NEAR: ROTHSCHILDS and ROCKEFELLERS MERGE FORTUNES ...
altdrudge.com/...rothschilds-and-rockefellers-merge-fortunes Cached
You know its bad when… two of the largest and best-known ‘familia’ in Europe and the US come together. As the FT reports,The Rockefellers and The Rothschilds ...
Rockefeller, Rothschild names tied in investment deal - May ...
money.cnn.com/.../companies/rockefeller-rothschild/index.htm Cached
Fortune 500; Interactive; Video ... RIT said the partnership stems from a personal relationship between David Rockefeller, 96, and Jacob Rothschild, ...

which IS a bit of an oxymoron, innit?

Is it not just a bit "something" all that I know about? My, my, my,, how does he Dewitt? I keep my ear to the ground & hold on to the tidbits that may make future "dots" for connecting,,

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/15/14 at 22:23:21

Several different lists are being tossed about here ....

Richest men in America
http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/

Richest men in the world
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

Are there people who don't want to be listed on these lists? Sure.

The Roman Catholic Church is considered one of these, but they still get partially listed sometimes as they are hands down the richest single organization in the world.

So much so that their books are run at the diocese level only which puts the revenue and assets into much smaller localized buckets that can be more correctly reflected in terms of the local landowning and fiscal reporting laws and such.

Such reports are never rolled up world wide because the Catholic Church doesn't really care -- they are into balancing yearly cash flow on the local level so as to NEVER have to sell an asset once they get hands on it.

..... and oh yeah, and churches don't have to pay taxes or have to report anything anyway..... it was written into the laws of each country when the country was founded.

Since the Roman Catholic Church supposedly "owned" all of South America whenever the Portuguese and Spaniards first took it over, then the Church graciously chose to split South America up and granted the use of chunks of it back to the various occupying nations as land grants (which included strict charges that all natives would be converted 100% or the land grant would revert back to the Church).

... it all really gets kinda fuzzy over the centuries as to what the Catholic Church really does own or not. If you think of your local Jesuit Priest as your landlord's general overseer for the area then you won't be too far off what was the original mark down there in South America ....

The Rothschilds, Rockerfellers and the other "new" old money people aren't even a pimple on the butt of the Catholic Church as far as land and assets go.

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Well, everyone knows that "generational money" especially propery can be hidden in lots and lots of ways .... owning land through several layers of proxies is always a good one.

This issue of wealth and power rolls like this: you got businesses on one end of the spectrum who have to disclose to the shareholders quarterly .....

Richest corporations in the world (measured by revenue and assets)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_revenue

..... and on the other end of the spectrum you have secretive organizations that take great pains to NOT disclose anything.

Richest entity in the world (measured by assets, land, buildings, etc)
http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1

Yup, when you own an entire country you are pretty durn rich. Queen Elizabeth II and the King of Saudi Arabia top the current list, followed by the Catholic Church in the #3 position.

Note however, if all of South America still gets counted as really still belonging to the Catholic Church the order is a wee little bit different though ......

;)

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/14 at 08:55:02

HOW people USE their wealth matters, too..

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/16/14 at 11:01:50

Well, if Bill Gates wants his Microsoft to have growth and to expand in the new world order of electronics, he has got to back Nadella whenever Nadella figures out the path he's going to take.

This could be as bad as outright ripping off of Android completely (forking it into Windroid), or ranging up to politely petitioning Google to allow Windows phones to have some simple access the Play Store.

The point is that Microsoft has NO LEVERAGE in the phone world right now and they got no exposed phone world ARMs that they can twist to get some.
(pun intended)

Right now several of their old ex-loyal ex-business partners have had hideous 3rd and 4th quarters last year (several CEOs have had to step down in oriental style shame) and currently several vendors have warehouse stocks of Windows this and that are currently being reburned as Ubuntu or Android units simply so they CAN sell them.

(which then sell fairly quickly, BTW)

Nobody likes Windows 8 nor 8.1 nor 8.1.2 nor RT nor Pro ---- it all still sucks.

The current Windroid scare should promote the FOSS guys to review the open source Apache 2.0 license as far as stopping trollish MS take overs and the declaring of counter standards under other licensing systems.

And since the Windroid attack is all about publishing a counter standard (then enforcing it with a bunch of lawyers) while Android is currently sitting in a vacuum state where there currently ISN'T a published hardware i/O "bios like" standard at all, then perhaps Android needs to go ahead and publish some unified hardware I/O standards that could then allow Ubuntu and Mozilla to go ahead and write a general purpose ARM OS or two.

Kill two birds with one stone. Or Google could go ahead and unify Chrome and Android (which would have hardware standards in it because Chrome has hardware standards).

In other words, move forward into a real ARM OS that can cross the platform lines between tablet, laptop and desktop at a minimum.

Phones because of screen size and battery power are likely going to need to stay close to Android as it is now as battery power and screen size dictate how much you can really do with them.

:-/

Hells Bells, boys -- at least make Microsoft have to WORK HARD if they are a goin' a thiev'in because they got nothing good going on at home.

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Post by pgambr on 02/16/14 at 12:39:37

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THE END Is NEAR: ROTHSCHILDS and ROCKEFELLERS MERGE FORTUNES

I don't doubt it, don't dispute it, but it doesn't make sense to me. They both have so much wealth that I can't fathom how you can measure it. And that was a good point about the Catholic church as well Oldfeller.

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Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/14 at 12:47:51

I cast thy hense you foul wretched...

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/16/14 at 13:08:50

King Saud of Saudi Arabia has a great deal of direct control of what he owns, certainly more so than Queen Elizabeth II does.

I think the Catholic Church has lost track of (and lost control over) more lands and buildings and such over the centuries such that the total of what they have lost track of actually exceeds the real hands on wealth of Elizabeth II. And since they have pumped out almost all of his oil now, King Saud as well.

It is estimated that the Roman Catholic Church at one time or another has "owned" a quarter to a third of the entire globe, but wars and various governments coming and going have eroded and cut that back down until the Church's hard assets are at the current levels of real property (still quite large, but relatively quiet, unacknowledged and certainly "unknown" to the public).

Bill Clinton wanted to know, so he sent the CIA out to get that answer for just here in the continental USA.

What came back (still classified BTW) was the Catholic Church doesn't really sit on large amounts of money, their goal is to break even each year on a local diocese level with any slight excess going into a diocese-based contingency fund to even out the short years. Assets are not sold to make up the shortages in the bad years, belts are tightened instead.

The Church is the owner of many many commercial properties, through intermediaries, the land has belonged to the Church since the Indians were driven off of it in some cases, or it was given to the church by wealthy individuals who died without heirs.

Look at the very oldest and very best respected real estate houses in NY City and Chicago -- and then guess who their biggest client really is (if they would ever tell you that is).

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Post by pgambr on 02/16/14 at 13:19:54

A friend from UK told me the royal family is extraordinary wealthy; although, has little influence on very much at all anymore.

Who owns all that real estate in NY & IL?

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/16/14 at 13:35:14

Give you a clue, the FBI wisely chose not to get involved with Bill Clinton's request, he had to waver the CIA so they could work inside the country so they could go get him his answer.

His final answer was finally sourced from Italy, and it was noted as being very vague and unspecific.

Hillary told him to quit asking stupid questions like that, he was burning up his political capital for no good reason.

::)

Maybe Bill Clinton will write a set of memoirs before he dies ....

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Post by Oldfeller on 02/16/14 at 13:43:21

Queen Elizabeth (through inheritance through her family) owns 2,467 million acres in Canada, 1,900 million acres in Australia, 114 million acres in Papua New Guinea, and 66 million acres in New Zealand.

"The Crown" owns all the land in Great Britain, all individuals can own is an "interest" in the Crown's real estate.

There is a separation between Elizabeth II and "The Crown" as when she steps down and no longer wears the crown then the "crown lands" goes with the headgear to the next ruler.

Yup, she's still quite land rich as a single person goes. Bill Gates has more in liquid assets though.

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Explanation of Crown Lands ....

To further clarify the holding of land in the UK - from the time of William I, all land in England belonged to the sovereign. Land could be held by individuals, but at a price. Either by doing homage and supplying fighters, or by paying rent. This land could then be portioned out amongst lower ranks, for similar considerations. There could be several layers of tenure. Eventually, the supplying of fighting men lapsed and rent became the norm. Then when someone needed a larger amount of cash NOW, freehold came in. This meant that the tenant held the land free of any charges to a superior. And kings needed cash yesterday, never mind now. Note that the land is still held, not owned. It's not the land that gets sold - it's the freehold. OK, it's a technicality now. But the Crown (or the Duchy of Lancaster or other similar entities) can resume the possession of the land if there are no heirs or successors.
Directly owned Crown lands were turned over to the Government when the Civil List was established. The Civil List is the list of royalty who get state income, and the payments to them. This is actually exceeded by the income from the lands handed over, usually. Prior to this, the monarchy financed itself from the incomes of these lands or by selling freeholds. The current Prince of Wales isn't on the Civil List, as he supports himself on the revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall. The Queen has extensive private holdings, including land, but these are NOT Crown lands despite belonging to the monarch - if she abdicated they would go with her not pass to her successor. She holds them in the same way I hold my little bit of land - but technically from herself.

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Post by Serowbot on 02/16/14 at 21:09:23

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WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE ?

I was going to say,.. it's blurry in the upper right corner...
... but, apparently it's the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Clintons, and the Queen...
It is blurry though... :-?...

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Post by old_rider on 02/16/14 at 22:27:49

darn the luck... I was born in the south side ghetto's.....