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Title: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/10/14 at 10:01:19 So I got new aftermarket blinkers to install, but when I went to find the wires (like it says to do on the BCB DVD) I can't find any of them. Could the controls be fried and need to be replaced? The horn works, but not the blinkers. Any ideas? |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Michael L on 02/10/14 at 10:07:43 So, you did find the wires and hooked up the blinkers, and now they don't work..? |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Dave on 02/10/14 at 10:10:24 Your description is not clear......I can't tell for sure what you are having trouble with. When you say you can't find the wires......and you mention a BCB kit....have you or someone else modified the bike? Are you installing LED turns signals? Can you better describe what is going on or post pictures....We have never seen this bike before and have no idea how to help? |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/10/14 at 20:57:35 Thats my bad, I wrote that real quick before I ran out the door. I have the Blue Collar Bobbers DVD to install my tail light and blinkers. I only have the tail light though, but in the DVD it has the steps to install their blinkers as well… So I found the wires that they use for their blinkers, I figured I could just mirror what they do and it would be the same for my new ones. When I found the right colored wires, they don't light my sensor up like in the DVD. The horn works though. I haven't made any mods to the bike, and Im not positive what the past owners did because they didn't write anything down or record anything they did. Does that make more sense? Sorry again for the quick post. They are LED blinkers: http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/44753/i/bikemaster-arrow-head-led-turn-signals |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Michael L on 02/11/14 at 07:12:20 Before you mounted your new blinkers, did it have stock blinkers, and did they work? If not I would check and test the wires to see if they give + when they are switched to on. I don't know what it's called in english, but I use the tool in the pic, which is perfect for this kinda job.. If you are not getting any power, the next thing would be to check the blinker relay. EDIT: Normally the bulbs should be 21w.. if your new led indicators requires more watts, that could be the problem too.. |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/11/14 at 07:34:08 I have the same tool as that one to check for power lol. When I got the bike, my buddy had already taken the back fender off (blinkers and tail light included) and tossed it into the garbage… Because he didnt think he needed it anymore since he got the Back Fender BCB kit. He also tossed the wire pigtail that he was supposed to use to wire in his tail light. So I got some new wire and plan on making my own pigtails for the tail light and blinkers. He said the blinkers didn't work when he got it, and that he was just going to use hand signals instead. He didn't try looking for the blinker problem, he just knew they didn't work and didn't care if they did or not… I do care if they work...I haven't installed the blinkers yet, I wanted to trace the wires first so I could label them for easy install when I had the time to sit down and do the work all at once. Ill take some pics today and load them this afternoon to try and explain it a bit better |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by SavageCat on 02/11/14 at 07:43:21 Hey, I recently changed to LED blinkers all around (btw FWIW - they arent as bright as standard bulbs, a few folks around here have made some custom LED blinkers with some wicked bright bulbs if you want to look around)...ok back to my original thought...when I swapped to LEDs I had to double check all my wires (a few were a bit wonky from when the previous owner ghetto bobbed the bike (aka, cut stuff away and stuffed wires everywhere...). It took me a bit, but I looked at the wiring diagram in the tech section and got things going... but then my blinkers were flashing fast...found this thread (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1169825737/0) and reply 23 has a good picture of the new flasher. New flasher made my blinkers normal again!! So, echoing what others have said...check your wires, get power, then install the lights. I would suggest the $9 flasher...took me 2 minutes to install (and who knows this may be your problem to start out with). Have fun! |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Serowbot on 02/11/14 at 08:13:42 Wires leading to the rear blinky's should be under the seat... 2 - black w/white bands = ground 1 - green = right 1 - black = left |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Dave on 02/11/14 at 08:21:32 4650475A42575A41350 wrote:
And......the wires for the front turn signals should still be inside the headlight bucket. There will however be an extra wire (3rd) for each front turn signal as they also had running lights inside the original turns signals. And yes...those turns signals you bought and the majority of the aftermarket LED turn signals that are made with a large number of tiny LED's don't work all that well in the daylight/sunlight. There is a company that makes some that are DOT approved - and my thought is that if you want to be safe....the other drivers need to see the turn signal and brake light easily. http://www.kandstech.com/index.php?page=universalsignals |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/13/14 at 08:00:58 Awesome, thanks for the heads up everybody. I'm going to go out this morning and tinker around. My thought process on these is: if I can get these working for the time being, replacing them with better blinkers/running lights will be easier in the future (because I like to label things unlike the previous owners lol). I'm sure it had stock ones at some point, but I never saw them. My friend had them taken off and tossed before I bought it from him… Something I wish he wouldn't have done. Ill take a bunch of pictures so you get an idea of what I'm working with |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/13/14 at 13:44:49 Ok, so I went out with my BCB DVD and wired everything like it says. I made the pigtail so the blinkers would stay on with Key Power (I didn't have brown wire, so I used blue) Left side: Black wire to Red Blinker wire, Black Blinker wire to Brown (blue) Key Power, and Ground to Ground Right side: Green wire to Red Blinker wire, Black Blinker wire to Brown Key Power, and Ground to Ground My problem is, that I have Key Power but when I connect the pigtail the blinkers don't light up like they should. They also don't blink, but thats because I don't know if they are getting power anyways... While I was doing the work, I wired in my tail light, and it works!!!! I didn't have the original connector, so I cut it off and put quick-release bullet connectors on the wires. So instead of one plug, theres now three. Now I plugged the tail light into both Key Powers, to make sure they both had power and it worked with both. Thats why Im scratching my head about the blinkers. Does all of that make sense? I don't know if I'm explaining it well enough… The pictures I took are too big to load, so ill try to figure those out later... |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Johnny57 on 02/13/14 at 14:50:54 Are you sure that you have dual filament bulbs? And you did say they are LEDs. And you did put in the correct flasher for LEDs? LEDs will work off of your brown that goes to your tailight, key power etc. but LEDs need flasher, resistors etc. to flash correctly when not connected to key power (brown). That is why BCB will give you an LED tailight but not LED blinkers. I'm just trying to help you get there...... |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/13/14 at 14:58:26 They're LED, no bulbs |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Johnny57 on 02/13/14 at 14:59:50 Did you change your flasher? |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/13/14 at 15:00:11 Im trying to connect them to Key Power though, I read the thread about LEDs and I thought as long as I don't mind them blinking fast they would be fine... |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by verslagen1 on 02/13/14 at 15:03:25 The leds maybe so low in current that they don't flash at all. also might mean they're not very bright either. |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Johnny57 on 02/13/14 at 15:07:29 Have you ever seen either blinker ever light up? |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/13/14 at 15:26:28 I thought that too, that they were on but not very bright, but I closed the door and turned off the light. They weren't on at all, as far as I could see. So I figured they weren't getting power at all. |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/13/14 at 15:36:57 1F24293E2F23383E252D203F4C0 wrote:
Did I get blinkers that aren't going to work on my bike? That would be my luck lol. The link for these blinkers isn't for just regular guys to buy, you have to be a dealer I think. Would it be tough to get the parts and install what I need to make mine work? Or should I start saving for some new ones lol? |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/13/14 at 15:56:44 Ha, I just saw that there was a second page to that earlier thread *forehead smack* From the looks of it, I just need to get a new flasher and they will work? |
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Title: Re: Blinkers Post by Crich422 on 02/27/14 at 08:39:57 So I got the part from the LED Thread from the Tech Section: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1169825737 and its not even close to fitting. The original plug is one that looks like an L, and the new one is just a normal plug. So that was a bust. Has anybody else tried the Pig Tail method from the BCB DVD before? I plugged the front blinkers into it, that got the front running lights to both turn on (but they don't blink when I flip the hand control). But after a minute or two, something started smoking… Awesome, I know… I started looking for the problem and found this piece (the pic) that was super hot. Like couldn't touch it because it was so hot. Does anybody know what this piece is? I think the smoke was coming from this. I tested to see if I was getting Key Power to the Pig Tail, and I have power going to everything. But the blinkers still won't turn on. Is there a resistor Im missing or something? |
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