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Message started by Ed L. on 01/30/14 at 19:37:02

Title: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Ed L. on 01/30/14 at 19:37:02

I've got to stay out of flea markets, just picked up this bronze cannon for a song.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/Beeboy01/IMG_2036_zpsdf410c14.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/Beeboy01/media/IMG_2036_zpsdf410c14.jpg.html)
The barrel is 9 1/2 inches overall in the Parrott design, bore is .50 caliber 8 inches long and the entire cannon is 15 1/2 overall with 6 inch wheels.
From what I've been able to research it was made back in the 1860's as a high end toy.
50 grains of FF black powder pushing a patched .490 round ball goes right through a 4x4. It's fun, chuckle, chuckle

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Serowbot on 01/30/14 at 19:47:50

Biggabaddaboom!... ;D...

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by anebv8 on 01/30/14 at 20:19:39

mmmm,could mount that onto the bars of a bike,then BOOM,look out tin tops who cut you off 8-) :D

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/31/14 at 00:06:50

If you got it for less than $200.00 you stole it.,

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by ToesNose on 01/31/14 at 00:33:12

SWEET!!!

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Pine on 01/31/14 at 06:38:16

4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:

If you got it for less than $200.00 you stole it.,

I wouldn't know dollars... but I really can't see how it would be cheap. Just age and condition would seem to command s pretty penny.

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/31/14 at 07:12:02

Does it fit in that box its on?

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Ed L. on 01/31/14 at 07:34:35

Guys I stole it for $40.00 which is what the owner was asking. I didn't even haggle, just whipped the money out and ran. I don't think he knew what he had.
From what I can find on the internet the cannon was made by Strong Firearms company out of Connecticut which closed the early 1900's because of a fire. They reopened in the 70's and make bigger signal cannons like the one in the Magnum PI TV series.
I'm going to clean it up a little bit, make and install a elevation screw adjustment and mount it on a big chunk of black walnut for display when I'm not shooting it.
It's my third and biggest cannon in .50 caliber ;)

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by 12Bravo on 01/31/14 at 08:02:15

You definitely stole it for $40, it's worth way more in scrap alone. It looks like it would be fun to play around with. It's probably a good thing that I don't own or have access to a metal lathe. I have plans for a golf ball cannon and a bowling ball mortar :D

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/31/14 at 11:46:36

Before I touched it Id try to contact a collector & see what its worth. I watch Pawn Stars & have seen people ruin the value of things just by a simple cleaning, You may be sitting on some serious cash. & for Forty Dawlurz??? DUDE!! Do not stay away from flea markets..

info@cannoncollector.com

You mite get a fair market value appraisal from this guy. & you could ask about the cleanup you want to do & see if that would hurt the value of help. I live wishing to find such a great deal! Good for you, man,, Im happy for ya,, AND, while we are at it, Ill send you all the necessary info for you to include me in your will,, :)

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Ed L. on 02/01/14 at 07:43:15

I'll need to get it appraised just to see what it is worth. I'm not polishing it, need to keep the patina to show it's age. I just want to see if I can get some of that green corrosion off the wheels and find somewhere I can shoot it.
It would make one he!! of a brake light on my Savage :)

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by old_rider on 02/01/14 at 08:20:33

Found this:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/964672341/Strong_Cannon.htm

and this

http://www.csmcspecials.com/product_p/cannon2.htm

Collector wanting to buy signal cannons

http://cannoncollector.com/

Interesting black powder cannon forum:

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/blackpowder-mortar-and-cannon-sponsored-by-seacoast-artillery/strong-firarms-co-8-gauge-signalsalute-cannon/

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/01/14 at 17:58:39

info@cannoncollector.com

I gave ya that one,, I hope its worth ThowZunds!

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Boofer on 02/01/14 at 20:40:25

About 30 yrs ago north Ms had Vo-Tech training for free or reduced cost at night. My carpenter friend made a beautiful cannon about about 12-14" I believe in .45 bore. I'm sure there are more out there gracng mantels and hearths.

I never cared about black powder but gave my brother a CVA Bass Pro .50 cal rifle for Christmas long ago. He hunted with it for years and offered it to me when he bought an in-line. It shoots very tight holes with 325 gr Ball-ets from Buffaloe Bullets and opensights. FUN! Looks like you got a deal. BTW WalMart is at the end of their fiscal year with most hunting stuff at half off. I bought a lb of RS couple of years ago for $4+. Have fun keep booming. :)

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by stinger on 02/02/14 at 03:06:09

Just be careful! I am the reason cap companies had to lower the amount of powder put in caps. Took the powder out of one roll of caps and put them in a empty card board cylinder. My dad was a cop and saw me with it and told me to get rid of it. I stepped on it to break the cardboard and it went off and took two of my fingers and I almost lost my thumb. It was hangin by a thread. It blew a hole in my dads pant legs and gave him 6 stitches in his leg. Some debris hit my friend in the face who was standing next to me and his face is still scarred 40 years later. it made the papers and the device was determined to be a bomb. All with just one roll of crushed caps! When I was in high school, a classmate made a cannon and fired it many times before the last blast killed him. Apparently it had developed cracks that were naked to the invisible eye because the barrel began to crack from the inside and turned it into a hand grenade. Like I said, be very careful!

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/02/14 at 05:23:26

I am the reason cap companies had to lower the amount of powder put in caps.

So it was YOU!!! Maaan,, I used to go out on the back porch & just bang the snot outta rolls of caps. I liked the smell,,then one day they got to bein so panzified I didnt care about it any more..was that around 65?

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Ed L. on 02/02/14 at 08:41:54

I used to hammer .22 blank shells till I got a piece in my leg. Never put a Black Cat fire cracker in a 8 oz coke bottle, it turns into a glass hand grenade. Guess how I know :D
From what I've been able to find out the cannon is safe to shoot with a breach over three times the bore diameter, 1/2 inch bore and 2 1/4 inch breach and the barrel is over twice the bore at 1 1/4 inches.
The 50 grains of FF powder pushing a .490 patched ball didn't blow it up which is the load I use in my flintlock pistols. Around 35 grains FF should be just about right and safe for the cannon. Any lighter load and the ball rebounds off my wood backstop kind of like a BB but much bigger.
Next time the antique show hits town I'll see about getting it apraised just for the heck of it.

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/02/14 at 11:08:59

Why even BOTHER!?? Just make some quick cash, man,, Ill give ya $120.00 AND pay the freight! Now,, thats tripling your money & saving you the headache of trying to get it appraised,,, SEE what a great guy I am? How could you say no? OOOOkay,, Ill go to $180.00,, if thatll make ya quit whining,., just sell it to me & save yourself the grief.. It does come with that little trunk, right? Or did you just set it up on that to take the pic? Forty dollars! You otta be ashamed,, stealin that thing like that,,

Title: Re: New Black Powder Toy, Not a Motorcycle
Post by Ed L. on 02/02/14 at 15:20:26

LOL

JOG, Love you dude but not that much. Thanks for the offer

I just want to shoot the sucker ;) ;) ;)