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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1387684272 Message started by PAPiekarski on 12/21/13 at 19:51:12 |
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Title: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/21/13 at 19:51:12 Howdy! I'm from NY here I just picked up a mint 2002 with 4000 miles :) Runs mint but is all stock I do want to put a dyna muffler on it but, do they have a longer muffler that will give the bike that same great tone? What maintenance do I have to do to it? I've been reading threads but really haven't caught anything. The previous owner just did an oil change at 3777 miles As far as mods I want to do the muffler slip on, k&n replacement filter for inside the airbox and thats it for now. I'll post a pic tomorrow, I rode 20 miles on it today and had such a blast :) |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by jcstokes on 12/21/13 at 20:07:57 Check the tech section for the oil change frequency which is actually about 3726 miles or probably about 4000 miles in the handbook. The filter should be done at the same time. At the risk of offending you and others, enjoy the bike stock for a couple of months before you decide on exhaust mods. The one weakness of this great institution is that you may end up with information overload. It's likely you will have to rejet your carburettor once you have decided upon the type of exhaust you want to use. There is good info on how to do the oil change and filter in the tech section. The preferred oil for Americans is Shell Rotella because of it's relatively high ZDDP content which protects your valve lifters and you should consider the Yamaha Raptor petcock modification. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/21/13 at 20:32:17 Thanks, the previous owner also gave me the left over oil he used to do the change last time. Im ready to order the exhaust and just checked the measurement of the dyna and 21" seems to be same as stock I'll just have to get the angles flange so it dont soot up my rear brake lever Now why do the ppl not leave on the stock heat shield when changing out the muffler? |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by S-P on 12/21/13 at 21:18:09 I'd also say do the exhaust and carb re-jetting at the same time. It will need re-jetting, especially if you change the exhaust. Definitely the Raptor petcock. If you plan on doing any of your own maintenance (like adjusting valves) you'll want the Raptor for sure, not only is it a better petcock, the tank comes off REALLY easy with it. Welcome to the club! |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/22/13 at 05:55:37 I wonder if a stock dyna muffler will need a rejet, I think it'll just need a little tune (turn in or out of the mix screw) Thanks for the welcome http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/VduBpl/Suzuki%20Savage%20LS650/1468533_10151846645648870_1057756665_n_zpsbaedf546.jpg (http://s57.photobucket.com/user/VduBpl/media/Suzuki%20Savage%20LS650/1468533_10151846645648870_1057756665_n_zpsbaedf546.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by oldNslow on 12/22/13 at 07:27:15 Quote:
Don't know about the rejet - there are others on here with more knowledge about than than me - but be aware that turning the idle mix screw in or out only affects the mixture when the the throttle is closed or almost closed. If whatever airbox, exhaust mods you do require a jet change that screw is not going to do much. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by HondaLavis on 12/22/13 at 07:42:13 Changing both the exhaust and intake, you'll be fairly certain you'll have to rejet. Before you spend lots of money on an oiled cotton gauze filter, there's a thread in the tech section on how to very easily make on using your existing filter and some easily obtained materials for a tiny fraction of what you'd be spending. It's worth looking at. Most people don't use the stock heat shield because the stock muffler is the size of a CANNON and the Dyna muffler is a couple inches thinner. It looks unnatural, and it's just too easy to put a different heat shield on there with a lower profile. ;) |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/22/13 at 08:16:29 Thank you! I just ordered a dealer take off dyna p/n 65747-94 for $38 shipped I have a buddy who has a welder and am going to mess around with it once it comes in. I dont mind spending a few extra bucks on a actual K&N airfilter since it'll do the job correctly, I'm going to wait on the filter but will be looking into that next After I mount the muffler I'll see how it runs, if it feels like it needs a rejet then which rejet kit is best? Should I do the filter before I rejet since the K&N will also free up some air coming in? I'll get back with pictures and maybe a video of the results |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by Serowbot on 12/22/13 at 08:40:24 Yup... the K/N will require rejet more than the muffler... So, just wait... You don't need a "kit"... there's just 2 jets... main/pilot... Probably don't even need to change the pilot... Try it with just a #152.5 main at sea level... or a #150 if you are above 1500ft elevation...(if you are over 4000ft, you don't need a rejet)... (Mikuni, large, round, main jet... almost any bike shop will stock them for $5 or $6...)... See how it runs... Then, if you're into fooling around... play with pilot and slide needle... but, it isn't necessary... |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/22/13 at 12:33:41 Thanks, im in Ny on Longisland which is 400 ft above sea level so 150 main jet should be good? Should I be doing anything to the needle spacer? Replace it with a #4 washer or anything? I haven't taken the tank off and carb. yet and don't wan't to do it several times I'll try stock after I get it fitted and we'll play from there |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by jcstokes on 12/22/13 at 14:18:25 Read some of the threads on carb dismantling, some of the screws can be obstinate and some replace with in hex bolts. and apparently a proper JASO screwdriver is better than a Phillips. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/22/13 at 17:58:55 Thanks, I have done plenty of reading about everything :) I'm waiting for my dyna muffler come in and then I'll do some disassembling and mounting, after I start the bike I'll look around dealerships if I need to get the main jet Thanks all for the help, if I am able to get a bend tube cut for myself I will get more made and we'll start a sale on here, how much could they go for $25 shipped for regular pipe bent sound fair? |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by old_rider on 12/23/13 at 00:34:02 When I put the Dyna on the wife's 650 (which is a 2002 LS650 exactly like yours...same color too) I did not need to rejet. I had already replaced the spacer on the top with 2 #4's and adjusted the needle out about a quarter of a turn. Bike runs great! no pop on shut-off either. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by tarkm812 on 12/23/13 at 03:21:37 I just did a dyna muff this year and am also on Long Island and had good results going to a 152.5 jet withabout 2.5 turns out on the mix. I did make up an adapter between header and dyna. I did not change the stock air filter. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/23/13 at 03:52:11 Thanks guys, hope the muffler gets here soon so I can play while the weathers cold |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by Dave on 12/23/13 at 10:02:52 Not sure why the K&N filter is such a popular (and expensive) mod. The stock paper filter does a good job on this bike. There are far more flow restrictive parts on this bike than the filter......the carb, exhaust port, header pipe, etc. Changing your muffler to a Dyna is a great way to make the bike sound better.....but it does not need a K&N filter change to make it work. I had a stock paper filter with my stock carb and I did a Wiseco piston, Dyna Muffler, and a Stage 1 cam....and the stock paper air filter worked just fine. K&N does have a great Marketing Department....and they do work great on desert racing vehicles......they are not really needed on the Savage. The need for jetting on my bike was most evident just off idle, where the bike was running lean. As I opened the throttle the engine would stumble a bit.....and not pull smoothly when accelerating away at around 1/4 throttle. If you pulled the throttle open 1/2 or more it ran great. I ended up with a # 50 Pilot, # 150 Main, and 2 washers on the needle. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/26/13 at 18:02:10 So I put a Dyna muffler on today and tested it out, started without hesitation and runs good,no backfiring... No jetting, no carb tuning https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151856149418870&set=vb.534028869&type=2&theater no brackets and it fits well https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151856149653870&set=a.445410658869.243694.534028869&type=1&theater |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/28/13 at 20:09:31 5C4D5C6569676D7E7F67650C0 wrote:
Now why do the ppl not leave on the stock heat shield when changing out the muffler? On accounta the fact that goofy lookin thing is shaped to fit that chrome trash can of a muffler., & if I had it all to do over I would not put the K&N in it & I wouldnt put a Supertrapp on it,Id keep the stock paper & slap a Dyna on & have well over $400.00 in my pocket for tires & gas. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/29/13 at 03:27:02 Im just gonna replace the stock filter as an aftermarket cone filter wont do me much good. I now am looking into getting a tachometer |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by jcstokes on 12/29/13 at 04:31:47 Tachometer, tech section page 9 about 6 or seven posts down. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/29/13 at 09:10:28 thanks! That thread needs someupdating I'm going to order this tach http://shop.rycamotors.com/mini_tachometer.html I also want to get the Raptor petcock and then maybe some handlebars |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by jcstokes on 12/29/13 at 11:32:08 Watch your pricing on that, JP Cycles may sell the same thing cheaper as might some of the generic crowds on EBAY. You may find that the white face, black numeral version shows up better at night. I got mine from Catalyst Cycles in Tennessee. Pretty sure they are made in Taiwan. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/29/13 at 13:20:41 I figured it was a cheap Chinese unit ;D I like the black face cause it matches the gas tank speedo What doI have to look for when picking out the speedo? |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by jcstokes on 12/29/13 at 15:09:40 These things say they are designed for a Harley twin, but they work for us as we have wasted spark ignition. They all look like the Ryca one and to the best of my limited knowledge the difference may be price. Try Googling JP cycles and Catalyst Cycles, search tachometer on these sites and the pricing should come up. Check the brackets they supply, some may not. Catalyst did. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/29/13 at 18:02:21 they are expensive a jpcycles and not available at the other site I found this on ebay but will it work with the savage?? http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHROME-MINI-TACH-TACHOMETER-FOR-SUZUKI-WITH-CLAMP-/220510312038?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3357705666&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by jcstokes on 12/29/13 at 18:30:37 That's pretty much what I have on mine. Catalyst do have them, under their V Twin listing, but they're $54.95 |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by jcstokes on 12/29/13 at 18:37:29 If you do buy it and self install, or pro install, the instrument will go right round when you turn the key. This is because it has a capacitor discharge in it, according to an expert on this site. |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 12/29/13 at 20:14:52 Thank you for your help! Im going to order soon |
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Title: Re: Just bought a 2002 Savage LS650 Post by PAPiekarski on 01/06/14 at 03:43:56 I just ordered a Raptor petcock from 2wheelpros.com I ordered the mini tach off ebay, I have the harley muffler installed. I cant wait for riding weather!!!!! I a almost brand new air filter from someone on the forum I got a brand new copy of the clymermanual My smoked front and rear smoked blinker lenses are in the mail I got my amber bulbs already installed New plate mount fabbed up (raise the plate a little) Im in the middle of raising my seat Im just getting started :) |
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