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Message started by pgambr on 12/15/13 at 16:00:24

Title: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/15/13 at 16:00:24

Can someone point me in the right direction? This has happened a couple of times; although, today really got my attention. The s40 would not shift from 2nd to 3rd. The shifter would go all the up but, nothing would engage. I read the thread about shifting problems, but my gut feeling may be something a bit more. I had to go down to first and then go back up. Sometimes it goes smooth with problems at all? With the noise in the top end I'm starting to think it is a loosing cause to keep on fixing it. Thanks for the help.

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/15/13 at 17:03:06

MMmkay,, I dont remember the top end noise,,

Check for looseness on the shifter. Make sure that bolt has it pinched on right,

Try running it thru the gears, engine off, rocking the bike.

Have ya tried a clutchless shift? Once in 2nd, shifting up is just slappin the throttle shut while lifting on the shifter & goosin it as soon as the toe feels the click,,
What speeds are you shifting at?
How much slack is in the clutch lever?

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/15/13 at 17:25:03

5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:

Ok, here we go
Re: Engine Noise
Reply #35 - 12/12/13 at 15:09:49 - Page 2 of rubber side down

No, I haven't tried a clutchless shift.

Normal to low speeds when trying to shift.

Their should be no slack in the clutch and fully engaged.

I came across an add for a brand new 2012 leftover s40 for $3k?

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by Serowbot on 12/15/13 at 17:45:03

These type of problems are 99.9% linkage related...
Savages never have internal shift problems...
It's a great tranny...

Try cleaning and lubing the linkage at the pivot points and both linkage ends... with a light lithium grease or general use lube... (lube the side stand at the same time... those guys are always so neglected)...

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/15/13 at 17:55:31

Thanks Sero. I think I understand the external point. But I don't know where to go for the other point. :-?

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by MMRanch on 12/15/13 at 18:51:21

I came across an add for a brand new 2012 leftover s40 for $3k?

leftover what ?

Never sell a bargan but allways buy a bargan ! ;)

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/15/13 at 19:36:12

Brand new 2012 S40 for $2,999, mine is going on 8 years old. I've been working on it more than riding it for the past 6 months. I don't have much free time and certainly don't have the expertise that many of you have.

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by Serowbot on 12/15/13 at 22:18:36

3324222E2131430 wrote:

I don't have much free time and certainly don't have the expertise that many of you have.

Probably not near as worldly, wise as you think...
I don't have huge volumes of experience doing anything... more than sticking my neck out...
Giving people the confidence to stick out their necks... and try... is often the best thing I can do...

Most of us, can do more than we think, with just a little encouragement, and some back-up...
;)...

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/16/13 at 11:02:36

Ok, picked up some grease. Is the linkage the little bar that is a bit thinker than a coat hanger? It attaches to shifter and is perpendicular to rod that goes into the transmission. Is that correct? Thanks for your assistance.

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/16/13 at 11:33:11

Alright, a more technical description to my question would be:

Is linkage the shift rod arm or the gear shift shaft?

Thanks for your help!

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by Dave on 12/16/13 at 11:55:38

The shift lever is attached to the footpeg bracket. It has a pivot point that has to be free to rotate and move - sometimes these can get stiff and cause shifting problems. You should clean and lube this shifter pivot point.

The linkage is the small rod that connects the shift lever to the transmission shaft. This linkage has a ball joint on both ends, and if either one of these balls are stiff and doesn't move freely it can cause shiffing problems. Make sure these ball joints are clean and well lubed and rotate easily. The rod should be straight without any bends.

The transmission shaft has a small arm that clamps on to the transmission shaft. This arm has splines that slide over the transmission shaft, and the bolt should be snug (not gorilla tight), and there should be no visible play when you wiggle the shift lever up and down.

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/16/13 at 12:02:08

Thanks Dave, I appreciate a straight forward detailed explanation. I'm learning but, I am still a novice on a real good day. Incidentally, their is a lot of play. I'll give it a go. Best regards.

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by Dave on 12/16/13 at 13:02:28

There really shouldn't be much play. When you slightly wiggle the rubber to part of the shifter up and down the movement should be transferred back to the shift shaft on the side of the engine with very little wasted movement. If something is allowing the toe portion to move a lot without moving the shift shaft....then something is too loose. Check the mounter mount/foot peg bolts....try to find where the wasted motion is going.

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/16/13 at 14:54:18

That linkage is a bit finicky and I think I may have fixed it. The last few times I went out it would get stuck. I test road it to the grocery store and back and it didn't happen. It has a bit of play, but I wouldn't call it excessive by any means. However, it feels significantly better through all the gears.

Many thanks to Sero & Dave for pointing me in the right direction as well as for the moral support. It sounds kind of cheesy, but anything other than elementary basic stuff is brand new to me. :)

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/16/13 at 16:24:27

Man, Ive done body work , changed the frames on 2 F150's, Ive changed countless water pumps & alternators & done head gaskets, been in a few rebuilds, done clutches & adjusted same, & when I started in on a bike, it was like Greek to me.,

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by Steve H on 12/16/13 at 16:29:59

Hey, Pgambr, nothing wrong with that. We were all there once. At least you've got good support out here to help you instead of just having to try something and see what happens. And, you've got the guts to take the suggestions and instructions that you get and make an attempt. Many, many people would never do that.

It's good to see you probably have it working fine again. Great work.

Title: Re: 2nd to 3rd
Post by pgambr on 12/17/13 at 18:10:56

Gents, to it to work this morning and it didn't miss a step. Thanks again! ;)