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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1386987211 Message started by Neosporin on 12/13/13 at 18:13:31 |
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Title: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by Neosporin on 12/13/13 at 18:13:31 Why do I keep seeing this while looking up informtion on the ls650? Outside of the single, I don't really see the similarities; maybe overall size? From power to weight ration it seems people should compare the bike with the vlx600. I don't quite have a Savage just yet but I'm in the market to building a bobber and it seems that they make a great canvas for doing just that. It'll be a little different considering I will occasionally have a passenger and that I will be retaining the rear suspension, perhaps lowered springs and being 5'10-11" it'll seem forward controls will suit my fancy. I will also, if the trade goes down tomorrow, be trading my shadow 1100 for the bike. |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Savage? Post by Tempted on 12/13/13 at 22:19:42 No idea what you mean about it being a Honda but if it were me I wouldn't trade a Shadow 1100 for it. Unless the Shadow is a beater and the Savage is mint you would be better off selling your bike and buying a Savage. They seem to be attainable in the $1000-$1500 area in pretty nice shape while nice 1100 Shadows are between $1500 and $2000. You are correct in saying the Savage makes a great bobber starting point. The one I just purchased, an 86 basket case, has been stripped down, smoothed, sanded, primed and 3 stage painted. The frame stops right behind the operator so there is no chopping needed. The bike has a nice factory rake and stance for a bobber as well. Its also extremely simple. Having only one carb and minimal wiring necessities means you can build a clean, bare bobber without too much tucking. |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Savage? Post by old_rider on 12/14/13 at 00:54:39 Um, bobbers are for single riders, with a half back fender how ya gonna seat a passenger? |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by Neosporin on 12/14/13 at 08:04:02 Sorry, typed the title out all wrong. From what I've been finding, a lot of people compare the savage to the Honda rebel. The shadow is a 1990 model with 22K, blue frame and such. Got it to do a "bobber" project but there's a few issues that I'd rather just ditch it altogether. I have the bike up for sale and a guy wants to trade an 02 savage with 8K, but no bites for actual buying. The bike is listed for $1500. with no issues except a broke odometer. Also, I say bobber for the lack of a better word. Something more like this. |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by Serowbot on 12/14/13 at 08:28:52 795258444758455E59370 wrote:
..and a Rebel is a twin... :-?... They mostly compare it to a Rebel, to be derogatory... |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by Neosporin on 12/14/13 at 09:25:37 That's what I figure. Considering the two bikes weigh about the same yet the rebel is about half the hp/torque, I don't really see the similarities. Granted, I've never sat on one, so I assume the size is comparable? |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by old_rider on 12/14/13 at 11:31:09 There really is no comparison, those folks that compare a Honda 250 rebel to the ls650 savage have never owned both bikes. I on the other hand have, the seating position on the rebel has the pegs directly under your butt, the savage has the pegs slightly forward. The savage sits about 2" lower, is about 8-10" longer, with more rake on the tree, and the savage is a "thinner" frame, all this makes handling totally different. While riding the rebel you are leaning a bit forward and on the savage you are sitting more upright and in a more comfortable position. Power.... the rebel is no comparison at all, at 60mph the rebel is screaming like it is going to blow up. At 60mph the savage is still waiting for you to shift into 5th gear. The rebel is an "around town" motorcycle while the savage is an "around the states" motorcycle. I've ridden the savage (stock) to North Carolina from the Panhandle of Florida, and would not even dare attempt it on the Honda. By the way, the rebel and the Honda I've ridden are my wife's bikes, she is 5'2", I am 5'10", she sold the rebel and kept the savage, me, i'm selling my HD roadglide and getting a savage.... And that's my views on the subject... Oh and welcome to the forum!!!! :) |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by Neosporin on 12/14/13 at 12:24:48 Thanks Old Rider. Kind of cleared up some questions I was thinking of asking such as riding comfort and realistic speed. I am a seasoned rider so I wouldn't be looking for a beginner bike which is what a lot of people put these bikes at it seems. Just seems to be a lot of pros in trading the 1100, especially since no one is biting at buying the critter. Thanks again. |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/15/13 at 03:20:53 I've also owned a CMX250 Rebel and two LS650's in the past and the Savage/S40 is twice the motorcycle that Rebel is on all counts IMHO ... Rebel's are typically bulletproof Hondas but they are wretched little Bikes ... gimme a LS650 any day ... |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by raydawg on 12/15/13 at 15:37:43 I've had em' both..... One is like Maryann, the other, Ginger. You must decide your own preference, as they ain't the same, as ignorant as people, are. |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by GridMonkey on 12/17/13 at 09:14:41 Having both in my garage(read gf/s grandparents shed for the Albany winter) They are very different. She likes her 02rebel because she's small and it was her first but if we're riding and she's not in front i've left her behind at every light while in 1st. We rode that for a bit while mine was getting work....id rather drive around in a cage than double up on that rebel again... I'm 5'11/150 she's 5'/120 and we eventually hit 50mph.... The closest thing about them i think is their length and weight, i can toss them around pretty easily. I feel like my knees are in my chest on the Rebel, the Savage is better, though i will throw on some forward controls at some point, long legs for my height. She does get better mileage though by about 20-30 to the tank. The bike age, 02 Rebel/96 Savage, and the fact that mine was changed from stock by the previous owner could be stretching the gap a bit. It does come down to preference for sure we'e done some 500 mile trips w/o issue, of course I'm the one with the big old bag strapped to the back along with the saddle boxes and tail box (reworked ammo tins) so that doesn't help the gas mileage but it keeps me from getting away from her quite so easily :) |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by kimchris1 on 12/20/13 at 07:08:46 I've owned both and like what has already been said, their is no comparison. My S-40 has twice the torque and can get me in and out of traffic and situations so much quicker than the Rebel did. The Rebel allowed me to gain my confidence before moving up to a larger bike. The gas mileage is better on a Rebel though. Great little bikes for starters and sure gave me some great times and placed many smiles on my face.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by Boofer on 12/22/13 at 19:36:26 I posted in the thread on vibration about the new KZ250 for 2014. Heavier than a Savage with less hp, but you could tell the reviewers were charmed by its handling and looks--just like we are with the 650. And a bike that doesn't sell doesn't last. The Rebel still sells and fills the need of a group of riders. :) |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by Neosporin on 12/23/13 at 08:14:12 Thanks for all of the replies. I looked at one yesterday and the bike didn't seem too small. I told him I'll let him know, since it needed new fork seals and had 30K on the clock. Outside of that, should I be iffy of the 4 speed and try and find a 5 speed savage? |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by S-P on 12/23/13 at 08:20:39 163D372B28372A3136580 wrote:
I have a 4 speed, '86 motor in mine. The gear ratios are a little different between 1-4 but 5th speed only reduces the top RPM's by about 200 on the 5 speed from what I've read. It sounds like it was more to keep people from lugging the engine in mid gears. |
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Title: Re: Savage is basically a Honda Rebel? Post by verslagen1 on 12/23/13 at 08:23:55 have you read... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1295653542 |
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