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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/13 at 02:09:09

Title: Heatin the garage
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/13 at 02:09:09

The shop was at 30* when I walked in,,Fired up the 2 burner head on the propane tank & went to welding & brazing on the bracket to mount the propane tank on the generator. I cant recommend welding in a close shop, at all.. My chest is not comfortable at all, & I walkewd out for air & even opened doors & turned on the fan once, BUT, the heater was able to bring the temp from 30 to 50 & I never set it above the medium setting.
I did fire up the kerosene heater a few times to get my feet thawed out. Once the feet get cold, Im miserable,, but it only ran a few minutes.,
All that to say this..
In an insulated garage I think the propane tank/dual burner setup will make working a reasonable venture, even w/o dropping separator walls, unless it is just really ugly weather. FWIW, Im wearing 2 pairs of socks, thermal drawers, jeans, a T shirt, thermal top, another T shirt & a hoody, so, Im dressed for cold. I cant afford to be dressed for warm weather & try to heat the shop enough to make me comfy.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by Dave on 12/07/13 at 16:53:25

Unfortunately.....that brings back memories. The previous house had a two car garage. I insulated it, and then I used one of those kerosene heaters with the wicks to heat it.....it did a pretty good job but did make a lot of moisture and the windows would get lots of condensation on them.

One Saturday I fired the heater up.....and did some welding in the morning. Later in the day I washed the car outside, then pulled the car in the garage to dry and wax it. Just about the time I was done with the car my vision started to close in.......and I got very dizzy. I went in the house and wondered if I was having a stroke or something. We went to the emergency room and as usual it took an hour and a half before anyone attended to me. By that time I was feeling fine......I believe I almost poisened myself with Carbon Monoxide.....it was a scary event.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/07/13 at 23:38:32

Welding is a nasty thing. I have to drag a bead & get away, I go outside & cough & breath deep. Ill get a bag headache if I breathe that stuff much,Makes a project even slower, I opened the doors once & aired the place out, even fired up the fan,,

Im not gettin the CO1 feeling, maybe the shop is too leaky..

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by ToesNose on 12/08/13 at 04:59:03

Hey JOG one of those rubberized work pads for the floor make a huge difference keeping the cold from transferring from a cement slab in the garage.

And yea welding fumes are nasty stuff, they can contain carbon monoxide, fluorine, hydrogen fluoride, nitrogen oxide and ozone depending on the welding medium and the type of metal too. :P

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/08/13 at 07:14:26

Ohh Yea! Got me a fine rubber pad. Picked up a complete rectangle on the beach in Galveston.My friend who has a place down there said it probably came off a charter fishing boat,, Very good quality rubber. Sliced it down its length & put 1/2 in front of each work bench. You betchya, a cement floor will have the feet cold in no time, & mine just dont appreciate being stood on all day any more,so, the pad is my buddy, year in & year out. Ive even got a hunk of throw rug down at one bench, so the pad is off the cement.

Dang! No wonder I want away from those fumes,, They really are nasty,,I have a friend who is disabled, he was a welder. His boss wanted some work done in a confined area, sent him in, no exhaust fan, no air piped in,, he lungs arent worth a crap now,
He is a great guy, HUGE heart, just cant seem to learn when to tell someone NO,, Im not doin that,, he Still does things for people that leaves him recovering for days.. not Me,, I wont let him work around here if its gonna mess with him,

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by walterpump on 12/10/13 at 13:15:07

Hey Justin:
This year for first time I installed a wood heater in my garage/studio. In order to get it WETT certified for insurance purposes I had to ensure them that no gas fuelled equipment will be in the studio. That means no motorcycle, no lawn mower, no chain saw, etc. They are concerned that fumes may accumulate and a spark from wood stove could cause a BOOOOOM.
My thinking is same consideration could apply to your kerosene heater or any other flame heater or spark igniter system. TAKE CARE MAN.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/10/13 at 16:27:15

Weeellll,,,, Ive got a roll about cart with a used oil catch can & some hydraulic oil & rags & other scary/dangerous stuff on it & underneath I have several 1 gallon gas cans, some with diesel, some pre-mix for saws & another for the weed-eater & a coupls 2.5 gallon gas cans. Ive got paint thinner & denatured alcohol around.. OHH flammables abound.. BUT,, when its cold the vapor pressure on stuff like that drops to about nothing,,& the shop is leaky enough it doesnt build fumes. I even have a gable vent that runs the length of the roof peak, Ive been doin this for a few years, so, Im pretty sure Im gonna survive,,but I appreciate the heads up,,
FWIW, when I drag out the torch or welder I do a dry run with stuff, to make sure Im not just TRying to start a fire & then I set a fire extinguisher between where Im working & the escape route Id take if there was a fire,so I can grab it & fight or toss it & Run,,

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by Boofer on 12/11/13 at 22:18:02

Not exactly on topic, but that last remark reminded me of something. I saw a guy on one of the gun channels telling women how to fight with whatever is at hand. His advice on using the fire extinguisher was: "Spray 'em in the face with the white stuff, then beat 'em over the head with the red thing." ;)

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by old_rider on 12/12/13 at 06:02:15

557878717265170 wrote:

Yup...dry powder on wet eyes burns like heck.... then they see stars... of course you gotta go all the way and take'm out, cause they will sue you for blinding them if you don't.

Back on topic tho.... our washer and dryer are in our "non-insulated" garage. I am thinking maybe just putting a solid tube back there on the dryer (electric) and make a slider or switchable baffle to redirect the hot air into the garage. It will be a humid air so i'm not sure how it will work out.. I will let you know, for today, i'm just going to pop off the flex hose and see what the results will be.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by Arnold on 12/12/13 at 06:43:00

The dryer trick, I am thinking about that too. My dryer is inside the house and the exhaust vent goes outside right where I have a big tent canopy where I store my bike for winter, it's freezing in there. I wonder the same thing, couldnt I just recycle that heat through a large pipe and a hole in that canopy.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by Pine on 12/12/13 at 06:52:45

Lots of " heat for cheap/heat for free" on youtube... even when I am not looking they just seem to be what youtybe thinks i wanna see. AL soda pop cans in a "glassed" in frame.. the guy was making 144 F in shade.

the new "rage" seems to be flowerpot candle powerd heaters. Though one guy showed that while the pot seems to get very hot it doesn't seem to do much spread that heat. Another vid re-acerted an old notion to trap heat with water. That is use low heat ( heater) and be sure to let that heat ( in his case 3 gal) of water. the water acts has big ole heat sink slowly releasing the heat ( and some moisture) into the room.

I just have a carport, opone on both ends so any attempt to warm that is futile. Though i have considered closing off the back.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by Arnold on 12/12/13 at 07:06:36

Mine closes on both ends, but then again running the dryer once or twice a week probably wouldnt do much of anything when it's 20F out there.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by verslagen1 on 12/12/13 at 07:26:57

You guys be careful of those CO's and CO2's

They go in like O2 but don't work like O2, you turn blue and fall on your face.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by old_rider on 12/12/13 at 07:42:18

I'm not worried about heating the garage everyday...just the days and times I need to work out there. Cost effective.... I don't think so, but hopefully I will be warmer. Was also thinking of "Y-ing" off of the house vents going to the spare bedroom (we don't use either now) and heating the garage with those. I also next summer will be insulating the garage...we are saving up now to do just that, so I can work out there during the summer when it gets hot outside.
Plus it will help with the water heater not running all the time, its in the garage also, that's florida for you.

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by S-P on 12/12/13 at 07:46:03

Yup, heating with a gas dryer exhaust probably isn't a good idea and for the cost of electricity if you're drying clothes anyway, why not get double duty from the dryer? Here in Arizona we need to have a cooler in our garages in December sometimes. We had 85F a couple weeks ago. :D

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by old_rider on 12/12/13 at 07:53:40

I have to re-route my dryer vent anyway, it actually runs down into the slab and outside, so it sits in a hole in the ground, go figure....bad engineering.

I'm going to run it straight out at floor level or possibly 4" up on the edge that we have to have because of the water heater (in case of leakage it won't go into the house), put a "T" in it so I redirect the air into the garage when needed. I might have to double wall it because of the heat the dryer puts out on its high setting, even tho the PVC pipe it uses now is fairly thick and inside the wall, so maybe its not to code now as it is (was built into the house so I guess it was at the time).

The dryer is electric by the way :)

Title: Re: Heatin the garage
Post by LANCER on 12/12/13 at 08:31:48

What are you going to do with all the extra moisture that comes out with the warm dryer air ? It can get pretty rusty around there.