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Message started by anebv8 on 12/04/13 at 20:05:59

Title: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/04/13 at 20:05:59

finally finished work early,rushed home to start putting cam chain on,gave the cam and bits a wipe with a rag ( don't wanna get dirty hands lol ),mmmm,looks like a small crack by a bolt hole...have a closer look,crab some pliers and give it a wiggle,what was a hairline crack is now a broken off bit,anybody after savage parts?  :'(  :'(  :'(

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by S-P on 12/04/13 at 21:01:13

What a bummer!  Is it a part you can replace instead of parting out the whole motor?  Check Ebay, there's a lot of stuff there and some of the sellers ship internationally. If you're dead set on parting it out, what do you have and what's broken on it, you could probably sell it on eBay too.

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by Serowbot on 12/04/13 at 21:12:27

Cry?...
Not really...
I do believe Savage engine parts are pretty valuable in New Zealand...
... or,.. get another Savage and you have a spare parts bike...

There's a few NZ members right here on the site...
Maybe you can hook up and do some swappin'... n' make some new friends...
;)...

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/04/13 at 21:17:58

going to see a place tomorrow that maybe able to weld it back on,they specialize in race cams and stuff,and do hard welding,so maybe able to resurrect it,not to hopeful at this stage as it's close to a bolt hole  :(

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by Serowbot on 12/04/13 at 21:28:30

Best luck...
Let us know how it goes... ;)...

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/04/13 at 21:38:36


3523342931242932460 wrote:
Best luck...
Let us know how it goes... ;)...

will do,I miss my savage..the Kwaka isn't the same  :(

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/04/13 at 22:53:01

While you work this out, toss that cam chain in some oil, deep enough so its all soakin,

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/04/13 at 23:12:18


6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:
While you work this out, toss that cam chain in some oil, deep enough so its all soakin,

it's still in the sealed bag it came in,still best to oil it or will it be fine in bag? Does anyone know if an '87 cam shaft be the same as an '86? They look similar but I can't see the numbers on the cog clearly  

http://www.ebay.com/itm/87-SUZUKI-LS650-LS-650-P-SAVAGE-OEM-CAM-SHAFT-CAMSHAFT-LOBES-EXHAUST-INTAKE-/380784054636?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58a87f916c

mine says 24B

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/04/13 at 23:55:08

Soak that dude in oil. No sense in dry startin that chain,,They dont really Stretch, the pins wear. oil soaked in is a good idea.

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/05/13 at 00:00:11


6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
Soak that dude in oil. No sense in dry startin that chain,,They dont really Stretch, the pins wear. oil soaked in is a good idea.


will soak it.maybe sitting for awhile,cheers bud

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/05/13 at 01:22:49

Just what was it that broke? The cam gear?

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/05/13 at 21:38:34

where the cog bolts onto the cam,the motor has been pulled apart before,the wee tabs that stop the bolt undoing had been pulled back before,I'm guessing a torque wrench wasn't used on reassembly,rather pleased I found this now and not doing 120 on the motorway

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by LANCER on 12/06/13 at 04:23:35

If you are speaking of the cam gear, I have spares.
If you want one I will send it for the cost of shipping.

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/06/13 at 13:32:17

can only stress to use a torque wrench,not a guessing game

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/13 at 13:59:11

Id be suspicious of that being something other than too much torque.
How long have you had this bike?
As you say, someone has been in there.
Are we looking at parts that have been cleaned? Where is the other end?
Can you account for the small bits & pieces?
Id have a real close look at everything behind where the cam gear goes & look for any pry mark on the head. Some idiot may have been trying to change the chain w/o pulling the head cover & pried on that thing.
If it were just a torque issue Id expect stripped threads or a busted bolt.
If it was a chunk of crud between the cam sprocket & the cam, between the bolt hole & axis, that would pull the tab the bolt threads into toward the gear & could cause a crack that would do that KIND of damage. The missing piece shows the ear on the cam was moved outward.
If there was much of a crack you should have seen oil infiltration into the source of it, Did you?

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/06/13 at 15:31:02


455A5C5B4641704070485A561D2F0 wrote:
Id be suspicious of that being something other than too much torque.
How long have you had this bike?
As you say, someone has been in there.
Are we looking at parts that have been cleaned? Where is the other end?
Can you account for the small bits & pieces?
Id have a real close look at everything behind where the cam gear goes & look for any pry mark on the head. Some idiot may have been trying to change the chain w/o pulling the head cover & pried on that thing.
If it were just a torque issue Id expect stripped threads or a busted bolt.
If it was a chunk of crud between the cam sprocket & the cam, between the bolt hole & axis, that would pull the tab the bolt threads into toward the gear & could cause a crack that would do that KIND of damage. The missing piece shows the ear on the cam was moved outward.
If there was much of a crack you should have seen oil infiltration into the source of it, Did you?


had the bike only a few months,the broken part can be seen just to the right of the photo,there is oil infiltration in the crack (can't get a good photo,only got cellphone),and as I stated in the original post,I saw the crack when I was wiping it all down,and gave the part a tweek with some pliers,so the part didn't/wasn't broken right off until I tweeked it.I'm going to finish cleaning it all down and see if I can see any marks or scratches

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by SimeonC on 12/18/13 at 16:27:53

Wow man I hope they can fix it for you, that cam gear is some TOUGH stuff they are carved out of a solid block of Carbide Steel im curious  to know what possibly broke it?!?! :o

Title: Re: wanna see a growin man cry...
Post by anebv8 on 12/19/13 at 22:56:18


15373039343F333B2D666869685E0 wrote:
Wow man I hope they can fix it for you, that cam gear is some TOUGH stuff they are carved out of a solid block of Carbide Steel im curious  to know what possibly broke it?!?! :o


I'm thinking it's been over tightened in the past and me playing with didn't help  :-[ (but pleased I did,rather not have it let go when zipping around the hills)
plus side...sourced a replacement shaft,started off in Spokane Washington,then found one in Sydney Australia,could get a whole motor from this one,but finally found one an hour from home,just waiting for it to arrive  8-)

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