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Title: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Dane Allen on 12/01/13 at 22:09:41 I guess I should not be surprised, the brutality of British rule has ebbed over the last century but then I see this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10486452/Child-taken-from-womb-by-social-services.html British Social Services forcibly anestatized a pregnant Italian flight attendant who suffered a stress event from a bipolar condition, forcibly c-sectioned the baby (fortunately, neither the mother or baby died from this barabrism) and has now, 15 months later the baby is being placed for adoption within England. The "I was ordered to" excuse used by Nazi officers didn't fly then and it sure shouldn't in this case either. We tend to look at the barbarity of muslims and dictators in places like Cuba, Venezuela and N. Korea but this is truely something that would make the craziest psychopath giggle and everyone else cringe. >:( >:( >:( >:( I just can't get past the barbarism, this is why we fight for our guns. Our guns help remind the Stalins, Maos, Hitlers, etc within America that we aren't your livestock. At least for a little longer >:( |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by oldNslow on 12/02/13 at 06:17:14 This is what you get when the people who live in a country are "subjects" rather than "citizens". As a subject, your life is controled by government functionaties working from a script written by other functionaries. This is also what you get when you opt for "free health care". If you aren't paying for something, whomever is giving it to you gets to call the shots. They decide what is in your best interests. England has poured itself down the twin sewers of multi-culturalism and socialism. They have, over time, actually voted for this. They chose to be, as you so aptly put it, livestock. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by RatdogWillie on 12/02/13 at 06:20:04 1E20212D3F23224C0 wrote:
Well spoken! |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Pine on 12/02/13 at 06:32:48 That is insane! |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by mpescatori on 12/02/13 at 06:38:50 043A3B37253938560 wrote:
I am sorry, sir, but you are wrong, horribly, terribly wrong. The woman is an Italian citizen, hence the UK authorities have NO SUCH AUTHORITY over her, much less over her baby. It happened some 15 months ago and the woman's family and the Italian authorities have been battling since. The problem is the UK Courts refuse to say where the baby is being kept. Were it for me, under such circumstances, when diplomacy fails, bring out the guns... >:( |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by pgambr on 12/02/13 at 07:06:08 I am sorry, sir, but you are wrong, horribly, terribly wrong. The woman is an Italian citizen, hence the UK authorities have NO SUCH AUTHORITY over her, much less over her baby. It happened some 15 months ago and the woman's family and the Italian authorities have been battling since. The problem is the UK Courts refuse to say where the baby is being kept. Were it for me, under such circumstances, when diplomacy fails, bring out the guns... >:( [/quote] Perhaps I don't quite understand what transpired. What is terribly wrong about? |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Serowbot on 12/02/13 at 07:28:39 Guns are always helpful when pregnant women suffer mental breakdowns... :-?... |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by mpescatori on 12/02/13 at 07:30:21 An Italian Flight assistant was in England, had a nervous breakdown. She was pregnant. A Court Order came to have her arrested, taken to hospital, and they forced a Cesarean cut on her and took the baby. To me, this spells kidnap (of the mother) , a forced surgical treatment (in layman's words, she was maimed), kidnap (of the baby). Never were the Italian diplomatic authorities consulted. To me, this spells bloody murder, and people here are incensed ! >:( |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by pgambr on 12/02/13 at 07:36:04 Yes, you are correct. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by oldNslow on 12/02/13 at 07:55:24 786570667674617A677C150 wrote:
I am sorry, sir, but you are wrong, horribly, terribly wrong. The woman is an Italian citizen, hence the UK authorities have NO SUCH AUTHORITY over her, much less over her baby.It happened some 15 months ago and the woman's family and the Italian authorities have been battling since. The problem is the UK Courts refuse to say where the baby is being kept. Were it for me, under such circumstances, when diplomacy fails, bring out the guns... >:( [/quote] Please explain what I am wrong about. The UK acted as though they had the authority to do what they did in spite of the poor womans citizenship. Which is yet another characteristic of despotic regimes, regardless of whether the despotisim was imposed by a dictator. a king, or was elected into being by the misguided population of a particular country. The result is the same in the end; loss of individual freedom and a government run amok. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/02/13 at 08:02:03 3D2B3C21392C213A4E0 wrote:
Row, she had a panic attack,, rather than accommodate the womans needs in a psychiatric hospital setting, observing & keeping her safe, as would CARING medical caregivers, they treated her like a pregnant cat that MITE harm its kittens should they be born. They sedated her & cut her open & TOOK her baby & rather that give her the baby & keep her supervised & under observation & sending them both home, they have STOLEN her baby!. How can someone of your intellect so completely miss or avoid the point? Your statement is completely off base,,& if someone stole your child( who is also somebodys grandchild) would you sit quietly? Can you Imagine the HOrror of waking up from a surgery you didnt want or even KNOW was about to happen & discover that the baby you had hopes & dreams of the future was not only GONE, but being held in a secret place & wouldnt be returned? REally? You dont see that as time to hurt someone? Would you if it was a team of people who lured a pregnant woman to a location & slipped her a mickey & cut her baby out of her & dumped her at the hospital ER entrance & kidnapped the baby to raise? Are you okay with it because a governmental body did it instead of street criminals who had the knowledge to accomplish it w/o killing her or the baby?> Wheres the difference? One group are goob sanctioned & wear white coats & SAY its for the best so thats okay? Why wont they just SEE if the woman can be a mother? |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/02/13 at 08:03:09 Testing emoticons for the kiddo,, >:( :'( ;D |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by pgambr on 12/02/13 at 08:47:46 Why wont they just SEE if the woman can be a mother? Because it was for her benefit. That is their mindset, extremely disturbing isn't it. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Serowbot on 12/02/13 at 10:23:40 The c-section occurred 5 weeks after the woman was hospitalized for mental instability,... after she went co-co puffs over not getting breakfast when she wanted it... I can envision mental behavior that would necessitate such action for the safety of the child... Now,.. there is issue of custody... Italy and England can work that out... ...but..." Crime Against Humanity"?... Half cocked with half the facts... I don't know the facts and neither do you... let the courts figure it out... |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by pgambr on 12/02/13 at 12:50:15 I was thinking the same thing about Sanford, FL. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by WebsterMark on 12/02/13 at 13:07:52 Blasphemy PGA, he was killed solely because he was black, had on a hoodie and carried a bag of skittles. Don't you know anything?....... |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Dane Allen on 12/02/13 at 14:02:10 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
Maybe the British could have taken out Trayvon's Mom's kidney and put Trayvon up for adoption in Wales...he'd get one of those goofy fopish accents. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Dane Allen on 12/02/13 at 14:08:34 5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:
Holy SH!T!!! What facts make it right to abduct a foreign national for 5 weeks, perform forced, grotesque medical procedures, abduct the baby and then send the victim home to Italy? And then let the courts figure it out in a few years? What facts make this ok in a civilized society? What facts??? Yes, a crime against humanity. This is a pure act of barbarity and depravity to carve a baby out of a foreign national and keep it. Where is this "hospital" located, Auschwitz??? (not mad at you, btw, this is just the worst violation of humanity I have seen in a long while. Crimes against children and the weak particularly disturb me) |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by mpescatori on 12/02/13 at 14:38:45 Considering the facts commented happened in Europe, and are painful to discuss, may I please ask the moderators to close this thread. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Serowbot on 12/02/13 at 15:32:24 3D2035233331243F2239500 wrote:
I don't think that's grounds for closing a thread... Most topics take place here in America, and we don't close them for reasons of proximity... If it's too sensitive, ignore the topic... ..and be grateful you don't live here... ;D... |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by mpescatori on 12/03/13 at 00:14:30 I'm sorry, Serow, there's nothing to laugh about. Think about it, next time you scold your children at the shopping center and raise your voice... ...it might be the last time you see them at all... Get it ? Now, imagine being in a foreign country ? |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by 45acp on 12/03/13 at 07:02:21 yeah we get it england sucks. maybe if you guys had guns and the right to carry them people couldnt take your kids from you in the shopping center. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/04/13 at 11:16:52 Ignoring or avoiding the outrageous wont halt that behavior. People NEED to allow these events ( the heart & soul of tyranny) to cause them to feel the anger of righteous indignation. Just as people must resist things that impact them individually, they must also bear the pain of their neighbors, in order to change things. Everyone who knows about this & fails to see & feel the horror of those affected are doing society no good. IDK how my caring affects those who did it, but Im certain that my NOT caring only allows me to to learn to accept injustice. I dont want to learn that. If Ill feel nothing & care NOT for those distant, why would I suddenly care for my neighbors unjustly inflicted woes? As long as its not me, okay, right? If I dont care about the unjustly inflicted pains in the lives of others, will anyone care if I am victimized? I think "they" know how many people rail against this kind of crap. Nothing goes w/o their scrutiny.,Its how they know what degree of "push" the people will accept. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Trippah on 12/04/13 at 11:26:12 I think we probably need to hear all sides...cause you know if the woman was going wako and killed her unborn child, then the social services etc. would have been roundly attacked and probably sued if they hadn't acted. Because we all go mad to one degree or another, drawing a line in the sand is tough. Who hasn't wanted to put a pillow over their baby's distorted face when its the 12 hour of continuous crying..or wanted to give the spouse a little push while looking at the Grand Canyon. This is why the large percentage of gun "accidents" are in the family unit.so I'm going to google this incident and see what's happening. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Serowbot on 12/04/13 at 12:02:08 51776C7575646D050 wrote:
+1... |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/04/13 at 12:39:29 Well that certainly explains them holding the child & not allowing family members to come get it,, Anything to apologize for tyranny, ehh? ETA, a careful read of the event says she wasnt wacko,, just having a panic attack,, didnt say she was suicidal, or that she had expressed the desire to the baby killed, |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Dane Allen on 12/05/13 at 13:43:41 0C1104120200150E1308610 wrote:
I very much appreciate your point here. The reason I brought it up was that it struck me in such a powerful way that I had to share it with others. I feel situations like this, no matter where they occur, need to be brought out in the light of day for all to see. Any attempt to hinder public dicussion of this subjuct only helps the perpetrators of this heinous crime and I am NOT suggesting you are doing this. For the benfit of this Italian mother and her missing, possibly dead, baby we all need to rage against this attrocity until some form of justice is achieved and future perpetrators will think twice about ever doing this again. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Steddy58 on 12/30/13 at 19:35:55 First off I am no friend of any government or court or Judge but this is not a case of she had a panic attack then was sedated and forced to have a c-section and her child adopted because it would be completely illegal even in "barbaric England" 1) No doctor would allow a pregnant woman to be forcibly sedated for days - if she was thought a danger to herself or her unborn baby she would be restrained in a hospital bed as she would be in any country 2) The european court of human rights wont let Britain deport terrorists in case someone shouts at them too loudly in their own country or the country which wants to extradite them for killing their people so they wouldn't be too happy about this 3) do you believe everything you read in your newspapers ? I dont believe a word any newspaper or politician tells me and as for human rights abuses, you can hardly say the USA is whiter than white in that regard - I'm not trying to start another Boston Tea Party but hey, all governments are not very nice people :-X - but I can assure our friends across the pond that even though we are "subjects" even us downtrodden gunless peasants won't let this happen. There is a more senior judge who has taken over the case who wants the child back with the mother he cant believe the decision to have the baby adopted - half the crappity smackin trouble in this country is judges can't be sacked, if you witnessed some of the crazy decisions they make you would wonder why they dont get sectioned and put in a quiet room with just a box of crayons for company but G.B is not alone in having judges whos heads are up their asses . Another quote from a newspaper"Essex council said on Monday it "liaised extensively" with the extended family over the baby's future care, that Italian courts ruled in May the child should stay in England and that it obtained permission from the county court to place her in adoption in October. The mother had two other children which she was unable to care for due to orders by the Italian authorities." this will get sorted out I can promise you and please dont condemn a whole people by what one thingy-head judge does crappity smackin ?? ;D thingy-head ?? love it - keep on rockin' |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by raydawg on 12/30/13 at 20:11:32 Hey.....you post " all governments are cunts " Does that mean the same over there as here? If I was to say aloud in the company of my wife and her girlfriends, she would hold my lil' union jack as they make me an altered member of their clan. Goodness, you wanna reconsider your verbiage? :-X |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by pgambr on 12/30/13 at 20:38:22 Got to love the Brits. Except after all these years they still drive on the wrong side. ;D |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Serowbot on 12/30/13 at 21:40:01 796A726F6A7C6C0B0 wrote:
Yes, it does... American culture has different standards for slang male and female genitalia... (why,.. I don't know,...)... England don't... (parts is parts).. Anyway,... No personal insults... but... we aren't children... If you know the word,.. you've heard it before... I've heard worse from kids at the supermarket... ...and don't put American culture on a higher moral plane,.. until you figure out why it's okay for a child to say "you suck"... or 'that blows"... ;D... |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Steddy58 on 12/30/13 at 21:58:17 I apologize if anyone takes offence at the language used - its just that sometimes words like scoundrels and rotters just dont seem to convey the contempt I have for the people who decide what I can and cant do in pursuit of happiness ,I will edit it for those of a nervous disposition ;) and yes Serowbot as you said we are two countries divided by a common language :) I watched an interview with Raquel Welch once with my mum in the room and she ( Raquel, not my mum ) referred to a director who " patted her fanny " I nearly spat my tea out, I did wonder how she got away with it on American t.v. I found out afterwards that fanny over there is a mild slang way of saying behind or bottom whereas in the UK it means a slightly more offensive word for the.. er " government " ;) |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by raydawg on 12/30/13 at 22:20:20 Not on my account I hope. Not sure why Bot thought I was struck by the term, I ain't, but my women folk hate it..... I guess cuz they is all cun, uh, you know what I mean ;D Anyways, I know a few men round here worthy of that title too :-* |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Steddy58 on 12/31/13 at 14:24:49 No Raydawg not specifically on your account, but my language does tend to get a bit anglo-saxon when I get on one - but after I start to chill I realise not everyone wants to read my expletive - ridden rant on goverments and Raydawg its a hate shared by women on this side of the atlantic too its not the sort of word used in front of her Majesty except by her mad greek xenophobic racist husband ;D |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Dane Allen on 01/02/14 at 10:08:12 7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:
+1...[/quote] -1...They could have send her back to Italy the next day instead and not hold her for 5 weeks, gut her baby out, keep said baby (a foreign national btw), and then send her home. Hey, remember those embassies whose purpose only seems to be to get bombed in 3rd world countries. How about picking up the phone and saying, "hey, this chick kinda lost it, any advice?" |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Steddy58 on 01/02/14 at 10:58:13 -1...They could have send her back to Italy the next day instead and not hold her for 5 weeks, gut her baby out, keep said baby (a foreign national btw), and then send her home. Hey, remember those embassies whose purpose only seems to be to get bombed in 3rd world countries. How about picking up the phone and saying, "hey, this chick kinda lost it, any advice?"[/quote] But wouldn't the baby be technically British if born in Britain disregarding the circumstances in which the poor thing was born ? |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Dane Allen on 01/06/14 at 14:01:31 163120352D01450 wrote:
But wouldn't the baby be technically British if born in Britain disregarding the circumstances in which the poor thing was born ? [/quote] Only in America are children abducted from their native lands if they are born on our soil (once the benefits dry up I imagine so will the anchor baby issue). No, the child is the nationality of the parents, ergo the whole Obama not being a Naturalized citizen issue but that is a discussion for another thread. ;) The Mother is and Italian citizen as is the Father and she was only in England on business. The 5 week unnecessary incarceration does not a citizen make. |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Steddy58 on 01/07/14 at 05:56:27 Youre right, with the parents being Italian the baby would be Italian but would she or he be able to claim an English passport when she reaches the age of consent ? |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by Dane Allen on 01/07/14 at 14:59:57 7C5B4A5F476B2F0 wrote:
That is entirely up to England but I would imagine that the baby, if still alive (it's anyone's guess) wouldn't get any special treatment citizenship-wise. Giving birth on the boarder wouldn't grant you dual citizenship, giving birth on a oceanliner doesn't automatically make you a citizen of Atlantis ;) |
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Title: Re: A Crime Against Humanity Committed by England Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/08/14 at 19:34:37 I knew a guy born on an airliner,, they named the poor thing Birdy,, but, no matter how high they tossed him, he never could fly. |
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