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Title: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/01/13 at 12:43:18 This start-up company fascinates me big time. It's a three-wheeled vehicle that is considered a motorcycle. They plan on producing them here in the US using all American made parts. I was so impressed just had to invested in one. Check out Eliomotors.com |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/01/13 at 12:49:25 I was really into the Aptera out of California...and received email updates up until 2012, then they stopped sending them and there is no internet site for them anymore. Glad I didn't send in the 5g's to help on start-up http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OrQqCLRXl2w http://auto.howstuffworks.com/aptera-hybrid.htm Found this on Aptera information: Aptera Motors, Inc. Key Developments Aptera Motors, Inc. Lays Off 30 of its Employees Dec 3 2011 Aptera Motors, Inc. is closing after failing to woo enough investors to bring a new sedan to market. Aptera official said the Carlsbad closed its doors on Dec. 2, and laid off all 30 of its employees. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/01/13 at 13:17:20 Never heard of the Aptera until you mention it OR. Looked cool. I think the Elio has a much better chance at success. Everything they have done so far has really impressed me. But I am fully prepared for things to go south in a hurry. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/01/13 at 14:07:51 Yeah, the Aptera quoted like 500mpg (equivalent) because of electic motor. The version I was going to reserve was the electric with a hybrid gas motor (small generator motor) to extend it to 800mpg (equivalent). But this has a three cylinder motor (not yet built) and either manual or auto tranny (price difference) and two person seating with no trunk space (easily fixed with an overhead rack of some sort). Also sounds like they still are awaiting some of the laws required to liscense this thing in the US to be passed in some states. So it might be illegal to drive this thing in some states without a helmet even though you have a roof over your head. I saved the homepage as a "favorite" and "liked" the facebook page.... I am keeping an eye on this company and hope it does not fold like the Aptera one, the wife really does need a new car and she kinda likes this thing. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Serowbot on 12/01/13 at 16:38:48 This has puzzled me... as far as I can tell from their site, they have performance and mileage specs, but haven't even built the engine yet... "As far as the engine, IAV has designed a great power plant and we will build it in Shreveport, Louisiana." Specs seem too good to be true... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/01/13 at 17:04:57 Here is a mock up the engine thy plan to produce. It's built by Altair, a supplier of engine parts to 14 major manufactures. Hopefully by Mid-January 2014 they will have a decent prototype to show the media. Could be a sensation. Like the iPhone. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/01/13 at 17:30:57 Yup....seen pictures, but an engine that is not even built yet is theoretical gas mileage... I don't like promises and hypothesis... I kinda like facts. As with the Aptera, this one has good intentions and in theory will work but I don't see how they can tout 84mpg when the engine is not even built yet. The model they have now is using a geo metro engine and parts from auto stores... and is supposedly (not tallied yet, their words) 90% American made (that is a good goal). Like I said i'll keep an eye on it, but will not invest in it just yet. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/01/13 at 20:14:49 Yet another competitor in the electric enclosed vehicle race is http://litmotors.com/c1/ This thing is really cool.... but is going to be costly at first, unless eco-tax breaks knock it down some. A U-Tube video with engineer describing internals and chipsets ect... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlLV1ZPdB9A |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/01/13 at 21:23:06 Love the Lit Motors vehicle! Thanks for sharing, whether these vehicles ever get off the drawing board or not, they certainly hold my interest. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/02/13 at 00:45:42 I like the lit one also, but those gyro's have to take up a lot of battery juice, and in the video you could hear how noisy they were. Maybe use a slow retract small wheeled balance leveler system that engages at below 10 mph (there is a company that makes them for motorcycles, I think they are called "stop assist" or "balance assist") so the gyro's could shut down at stops to save energy and maybe freewheel spin for easy stop and goes. Wrote to lit about it... lets see what the engineers say. :o |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/02/13 at 02:15:30 This crazy little Elio concept. Can not stop feeling upbeat about the whole idea. Better to have dreamed than to never dream at all. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by wambr on 12/02/13 at 07:42:41 in my opinion just a strange concept car. that photo looks, cut along the Audi TT. can of course a good thing, but I don't like |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by keith pearson on 12/02/13 at 11:03:11 there are a few of this type already made and used here in the UK. the Grinnell SCorpion for one, they all have two front and one rear wheel Then of course the Morgan , but very expensive (£32,00) and the original of all of them. You used to be able to get a kit to change a Citroen 2CV into one of these, with an open body. In the UK , ALL 3 wheelers EXCEPT sidecar combos are exempt from helmet wearing laws. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Serowbot on 12/02/13 at 11:36:17 This video is great fun... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htI3weS49cc#t=908[/media] |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/02/13 at 14:19:00 The Morgan is awesome! One of the things that attracted me to the Elio was the single seat up front and one behind the driver. The designer claims that because it is so narrow it is much more aerodynamic. Pushing less air results in improved fuel economy. Plus it seems like flying a fighter jet! |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by verslagen1 on 12/02/13 at 14:49:01 I'd go for a morgan. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Serowbot on 12/02/13 at 17:04:18 2A392E2F303D3B39326D5C0 wrote:
+1... I've played with the idea of making one... Guzzi rear end and drivetrain,... quad front end,... aluminum body... :-/... |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by verslagen1 on 12/02/13 at 17:18:47 There is kits available |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by keith pearson on 12/03/13 at 05:49:11 0E0D051308050413610 wrote:
like most things, this was invented and manufactured a long while ago - it was called the "Near-a-car" and had two wheels and a gyroscope, plus the "landing wheels" when the engine was switched off. I can't find it on Google, but I have seen photos of it. It was pre- WW2. I cannot remember the manufacturer. Perhaps someone here knows? |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by keith pearson on 12/03/13 at 05:52:23 http://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/worlds-first-gyrocar.jpg this one was made in 1914 by Wolseley in England. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by keith pearson on 12/03/13 at 05:54:43 http://ccs.infospace.com/ClickHandler.ashx?du=www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com%2f...%2fTRANSPORT%2fgyrocars%2fschilovs.htm&ru=http%3a%2f%2fwww.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com%2fMUSEUM%2fTRANSPORT%2fgyrocars%2fschilovs.htm&ld=20131203&ap=1&app=1&c=snapdov7.3&s=snapdov7&coi=771&cop=main-title&euip=46.208.25.222&npp=1&p=0&pp=0&pvaid=d00f602405eb4404a7543b281d7ef0a1&ep=1&mid=9&en=yZ%2bM9KjE30n9xljyNqnCit%2bcefpC%2fm7mkZSc5Y1GX3Y%3d&hash=D8EC45612FED5181211497C1E16C6776 and some more pictures here. WW1 put a stop to this ! |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Dave on 12/03/13 at 06:14:47 If you like projects...you can do this to your Can Am: http://jalopnik.com/5331739/goblin-wolfspyder-turns-your-trike-into-a-jet-fighter |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Serowbot on 12/03/13 at 08:48:26 If I could afford a Spyder,.. I wouldn't be looking at making my own kit... $4.00 per pound is my max.... ;D... ...( I need a salvage Guzzi with a damaged front end,... and a quad with a blown engine)... ... and a dumb friend that can weld)... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/03/13 at 12:35:11 Forget all of my previous posts. This is what I want sitting in my garage. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Serowbot on 12/03/13 at 15:29:13 That's cool!... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/05/13 at 08:32:16 Well they replied very politely, saying that the gyro's don't use all that much power and their landing system is fast and fine. And they thanked me for my interest in their product. Funny though, in the video the prototype made horrendous noise, so loud the guy inside could not hear you if you were standing right next to his window unless you shouted at him. That in itself would tell me that those gyro's take a lot of power along with all the circuitry fastened to the back wall. Still, it intrigues me, now if they can make one with doors on both sides, I'd be interested. I'd have to have doors on both sides for safety, I can't stand not having an escape route if I am pinned down by a vehicle... I don't care what they show on the video, if you get hit hard and high (like a football tackle) by a large vehicle, its gonna knock you over and might pin you down. I want escape options dangit! |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/05/13 at 15:25:50 I understand your concerns old rider. You make very valid points. I've been in a couple of roll over accidents and found that doors do not always open easily after serious collisions. I plan to keep a device to break windows handy. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/05/13 at 16:33:31 5D6E68616E7D3B3B3B0F0 wrote:
Yes and that escape factor is what my wife was worried about with the Elio, only one door (drivers side) and small windows for the passenger, which do not look like they are big enough to crawl through. We kinda giggled and said at that price we could get a pair and dump our vehicles. I could sell my pickup for the price need to buy the Elio and if I ever needed to move we could rent a truck. I have a small travel trailer that a motorcycle can pull, so the Elio would do it nicely. I like the options folks are coming out with that can save on fuel costs and still keep you safe and comfy while driving them. Lets just hope the costs are realistic and they don't make a Yugo, neighbor had one of those and the driving time vrs. fix it time were almost 50/50. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Ragnar444 on 12/05/13 at 19:48:24 They plan on including 3 airbags if that concerns you. Much safer than a two wheeled vehicle. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/05/13 at 20:48:03 0B383E37382B6D6D6D590 wrote:
Yes seen that too, that's why I saved the site and also "liked" it on facebook and have been getting updates from them. They are in halburton florida I think this week for a day or two. We will definatly keep track of the Elio, but like I stated before, I want to hear it is a "positive" that they will start production and not a "we plan to start production" before I throw any money in their direction. Hope you donated on the "returnable fund" side. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by old_rider on 12/06/13 at 02:09:00 Yet another interesting concept that has made it to reality. But alas, like Harley it is VERY pricey, but this actually would save you money over the years, until battery replacement time, or motor brush renewal. https://www.mission-motorcycles.com/r Last years video says it can recharge in one hour to 95% capacity, so drive it 140 miles (2.5 hours), stop take a break (1 hour), hit the road again, rinse repeat for eight hours and you might make it to 450 miles before a 9 hour day was up. And stop for the night for sleep and start again next day, it would take me about twice as long to get anywhere, but with no fuel costs it might be worth it. And would anyone let me just plug in the bike for a hour? and not charge me? Say at a tom thumb and use the outside outlet? |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Steve H on 12/06/13 at 16:02:33 I had a Yugo. Loved that car. Drive it like an italian sports car and it works great. They like high revs. Got 54mpg in town and over 70 on the highway. Never had a lick of trouble out of it. |
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Title: Re: Elio enclosed motorcycle Post by Serowbot on 12/06/13 at 17:35:12 Yugo?... :-?... http://junkcarnation.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/yugo.jpg ...a Smart Yugo... :-/... http://www.tomstockton.us/pictures/082/short_yugo.jpg I drive a Metro... that's basically a Yugo that won't die... ;D... |
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