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Title: Front end swap? Post by Mario Verasso on 11/17/13 at 15:53:06 It has been a while since i have been on here... But I picked up a 94 Suzuki intruder 800 (for $200.00) & was wondering if there is any way to use the forks, wheel and brakes on my Savage? It has a 21 inch rim & appears to be the same MM diameter fork tubes. But seams it may have a wider tree. Will I have to do a neck swap, will the trees fit the savage neck or Etc... |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by verslagen1 on 11/17/13 at 16:46:12 I wouldn't be surprised if it bolted right up with no mods. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by WD on 11/17/13 at 22:20:56 It's been done a few times. At most, needs a few shims on the upper stem bearing. Use the Intruder speedometer as well, turn the stock location in the Savage tank into a cup holder, the engine heat will keep your coffee drinkable for miles... |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by 12Bravo on 11/18/13 at 07:53:51 I have a 2007 S40 and a 1988 Intruder 750. I measured best I could (without taking everything apart) and it looks like a direct swap. You will have to swap everything - triple trees and all. I know that the forks on the VS750 are bigger than the S40. Suzuki changed the fork diameter on the VS800, I don't remember what year. The LS650 has more rake than the VS800 so the longer forks/21" tire should look good on the S40. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by Badass94Cad on 11/18/13 at 14:22:39 I'd like to see pics of this mod if you do it. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by maxtowers on 11/18/13 at 15:43:08 i will be curious to see it too... |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by old_rider on 11/18/13 at 23:06:51 Me 3 ! |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by ZAR on 11/19/13 at 19:15:48 Me 4!!! This opens up a whole new world of ideas! |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by Mario Verasso on 11/20/13 at 14:39:44 Thanx for all your input guys & yes I will update with pics. I remembered a few years back someone on here had a 21" tire on the savage. Just couldn't remember how they did it. I was just hoping someone else had done this so I wouldn't have to pull the forks off to check the specs. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by 12Bravo on 11/20/13 at 19:29:43 Double check the diameter of the forks on your VS800. The forks on the S40 are 38mm and the forks on my 1988 VS750 are 39mm. I'm not sure if the newer VS800s have bigger forks than the VS750. Keep us updated. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by Dave on 11/21/13 at 03:09:16 5053231300170E610 wrote:
The other thing that needs to be checked is the spacing between the fork tubes. If this is different it can be adjusted by changing the size of the spacers on the axle.....and adjusting the brake caliper mount. I used RM400 triple trees and my stock fork tubes, and I also had to trim the mounting surface for the disc brake. Lancer did a full fork swap on REX, and used the forks and triiple trees from a different bike. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by 12Bravo on 11/21/13 at 07:09:10 Best I could tell by measuring both bikes with a tape measure, you should be able to swap complete front ends. The plus of using the VS front end is the speedometer is on the triple tree, the negative is the warning lights are there too (under the risers/handlebar). The speedometer would be easy since it runs off the front wheel on the VS750/800 I'm sure Lancer will pipe up on the swap he did. If I remember correctly, he used the front end of an older Suzuki GS (550?) |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by Mario Verasso on 11/23/13 at 18:45:26 Yes, I have done some reserch on the intruder fork tubes are 39mm. I have thought about boring the stock savage trees to 39 & slimming the wheel spacers on the 21 inch wheel, but i would still have the problem of the disc brake not linning up. But if it is a direct swap then, I will do that. The full swap would give me the bigger brake/bigger wheel/longer forks/cooler fender. The biggest bonus is that I can use the Avon ribbed speed master front tire. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by 12Bravo on 11/24/13 at 07:32:08 I think swapping the complete front end would be the easiest. I've been looking at my S40 and VS750 sitting next to each other in the garage and thinking the same thing, the VS front end would look good on the S40. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by LANCER on 11/25/13 at 08:57:25 I did a swap with the entire front end of an '83 GS650. I used it for a while but eventually decided that it was not working any better for me than the stock unit so I went back to stock. I had initially wanted to use a dual disc brake setup on the GS unit but could not get the correct fork/caliper/wheel/disc combo to make it work correctly. I had picked up the assorted pieces separately from ebay and not as a complete set, which would have been the best option but that was just not available at the time. So the setup was as a single disc brake and that was surprisingly no better than our stock unit. Anyway, I got tired of messing with it and went back to stock. It works well enough for my needs. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by Mario Verasso on 11/25/13 at 16:11:27 Didn't have time to mess with it this weekend. Was rebuilding/fabbing/building a wrecked 95 Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo car the past few days. Will try to do something this week end and get back with you guys. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by runrun on 12/16/13 at 17:40:55 The guys at Classified Moto offer a front-end swap service that looks like it would sure help with a lot of the fiddly stuff. I can't think of a better way to get a decent front brake setup on a Ryca: http://classifiedmoto.com/classified/modern-forks-on-old-bikes/ |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by old_rider on 12/16/13 at 23:23:44 I am actually thinking of going the opposite way...and put old forks on a new bike. A springer front with a triple that steepens the angle of the forks a bit...not much, but move the front wheel about 7" forward. Then put on slightly taller bars than the buckhorns, and tilt them back toward me. Then make it a single seat with a backrest that's head high and cushioned (I want a lazy boy look). |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by Dave on 12/17/13 at 05:34:50 454259454259370 wrote:
I have ridden my Cafe' conversion pretty aggressively, and I have never had any brake issues. The brake seems to work fine and they have not overheated, or faded. Other than looks.....has anyone had any issues where the stock brake cannot keep up with the power or weight of the Savage? (I know WD had a front brake that never worked properly). |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by runrun on 12/20/13 at 11:44:26 7F44495E4F43585E454D405F2C0 wrote:
I have ridden my Cafe' conversion pretty aggressively, and I have never had any brake issues. The brake seems to work fine and they have not overheated, or faded. Other than looks.....has anyone had any issues where the stock brake cannot keep up with the power or weight of the Savage? (I know WD had a front brake that never worked properly).[/quote] Guess it depends what you're used to. I'm comparing it to everything else I've ridden with relatively modern dual-disc fronts. The front, even with s-s brake line, new pads, and properly bled, is so weak it's scary. And that's on a Ryca conversion. I can't imagine how it would work on something as heavy as a stock Savage. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by Mario Verasso on 12/22/13 at 12:46:27 Sorry to have disappointed anyone on here i still haven't started on this. i am still messing with the car. |
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Title: Re: Front end swap? Post by LANCER on 12/23/13 at 03:50:16 4A46554E4851425546545448270 wrote:
No need to apologize dude, everyone here understands the "messing" thing. |
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