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Title: Exhaust help....? Post by SavageDiver on 11/09/13 at 17:22:01 hey all! My next mod is the exhaust. Can some one tell me which exhaust to get. Which requires no jetting and I would like it to be a little louder than the stock. I am a firm believer that a louder exhaust is a safety feature, and I do not mean the type of loud that neighbors want to torch your motorcycle. I have been reading a lot about dyna exhaust, will dyna mod require jetting? And is there specific dyna exhaust I'm suppose to get to fit my savage? I owe a '98 model Thank you |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by pgambr on 11/09/13 at 18:46:30 If you want a loud deeper note, look into a jardine. Probably have to rejet. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Gyrobob on 11/09/13 at 18:57:18 You may be a firm believer in loud exhaust safety, but beliefs are often not in line with reality. Loud exhausts don't make anyone any safer,... they just create ill will toward ALL motorcyclists, including those of us with not-so-noisy bikes. I don't want to fire up our standard loud-bike-awfulness war again,.. but I'll just say the previous discussions we have had on this showed no increase in safety, no positive effect on our image and relationship with the public, no additional horsepower, and no inclination for the loud-pipe-types change their minds about any of their "beliefs," so I won't try to change yours. Just keep in mind a lot of us are very embarrassed about our two-wheeled compatriots (especially harly toads) that like to piss off the public. That said, I do see some hope in the way you phrased it,..."a little louder than stock." -- The stock exhaust is so well-muffled, it can easily get a "little louder than stock" and probably not piss anybody off. -- The RYCA I just built is louder than stock, but a little more than I would like,.. I have to keep the throttle pretty light when there are a lot of folks around. -- So, anyway, here's hoping your "little louder than stock" muffler project does everything you want and keeps the peeps happy. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Gyrobob on 11/09/13 at 18:58:33 4057515D5242300 wrote:
When I bought my 2002 SAvage, it had a Jardine. It was a LOT louder than stock. It sure had a lot of high heat colors on it though. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by pgambr on 11/09/13 at 19:14:49 I went to youtube to see and hear some different mods. I decided to stay with the stock. I think I would miss the back fires? |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by SavageDiver on 11/09/13 at 23:29:05 I do agree with you and giving fellow riders a bad name is the last thing I would want. When I said a little louder, maybe just a next step louder. So car driver would have a clue that i am in the vicinity. From what I hear about jardine brand exhaust, is that it is a little too loud for what I am trying to accomplish. Anybody knows if Dyna or Ryca exhaust needs Re-jetting ? 132D263B363B36540 wrote:
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/10/13 at 03:23:32 The dyna isnt offensive at6 all.. cheap, good lookin, easy to jet to. I wish I had done that instead of dropping $400.00 on the Supertrapp. Trapp is a good setup, for sure, but the Dyna delivers almost the same power boost, sounds really good & is MUCH better looking Aaaand leaves about $380.00 dollars in the pocket for tires & gas. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by bobert_FSO on 11/10/13 at 05:50:54 I think you should be able to get by not having to rejet after a dyna muffler conversion-- if the dyna hasn't been modified. Try to look through the dyna. You shouldn't see daylight. If you do, the blocking plate in the muffler has been drilled or knocked out, making the muffler much more free-flowing and loud. If the plate is missing, you can replace it by driving a auto engine freeze plug into the muffler. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by SavageDiver on 11/10/13 at 08:37:25 Thanks suzukisavage forum! 6F626F687F790D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Serowbot on 11/10/13 at 09:20:19 Harley Muffler Guide (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1298689417) |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by trini tuner on 11/11/13 at 10:21:14 467463747270517C637067150 wrote:
[/quote] It doesn't matter how you put it a louder than stock muffler IS a safety feature. drag pipe loud is annoying not only to the neighbors and everyone else but also to the rider. When you need to get someone's attention on the road on your bike they're not always going to respond to the little meep meep horn, crack the throttle with a nice muffler and it does more than just get the attention of drivers. That's something we learned in the MSF course. To the original poster, look into getting one of the Harley dyna baffles that are mentioned on here, they are a great baffle for our bikes and cheap. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by sscala on 11/12/13 at 15:07:00 I have the pipe from Blue Collar Bobbers on my bike. Nice straight pipe with a nice little rumble. Not too loud, not too quiet. http://www.bluecollarbobbers.com/m/savage.html |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by WD on 11/13/13 at 07:22:15 Dyna or Sportster muffler. Replace your horn with a car alarm siren, wired in like the horn was. Looks neat, extremely loud, may not technically be legal where you live. My bike sounds like a helicopter, 12" steel pack muffler and 29" tailpipe extension. Lancer's stock bike with a Dyna is LOUD, his custom with a small muffler sounds like a big bore 2 stroke... ever heard one of the old 750 2 stroke singles... his Savage puts them to shame in the LOUD department. BUT, with all the mods, if it feels like behaving it will eat a 1500 Kawi pretty handily... |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Gyrobob on 11/17/13 at 19:14:49 trini tuner said: Quote:
Wrong. We have been through this many times. Any MSF course I have been associated with said just the opposite: loud pipes are less safe. They not only piss off the general public about all motorcyclists, they distract,.. making people on the bikes and in the cages make decisions that are less safe. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by v-pilot on 11/17/13 at 20:24:58 If you think louder is a safety feature do a little research on the Doppler effect and sound waves. I realize that high school Physics was a long time ago for some of us |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Dave on 11/18/13 at 03:51:32 Loud pipes are not heard by the people that pull out in front of you, turn left in front of you, or run red lights. The only people that hear your loud pipes are the ones directly behind you, or the ones right beside you. The people behind you aleady know you are there.....the only situation that I can conceed that loud pipes get attention is to the driver that might be going to change lanes and has not seen you beside them. In that situation the bike only needs to have a DYNA......not a straight pipe to be heard. There are very few bikes made that are so silent that they won't be heard next to you....mostly the big touring bikes like the Goldwing, BMW, etc. My wife and I were down in North Carolina last month and did some hiking in the Blue Ridge mountians. It was a big weekend for bikes and on our hikes we could be 2 miles from the road and hear the big Harleys with straight pipes bellowing through the valleys.....there is really no reason for anyone to be that rude. I have no idea why anyone would want to make that much noise.....or why anyone would want to ride with them. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Gyrobob on 11/19/13 at 09:04:29 Dave said: Quote:
zackly along with this, it REALLY annoys me how such feckless behavior makes most of the public hate us all,... not just just those sans feck. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by verslagen1 on 11/19/13 at 11:32:46 I agree that straight pipes are too loud, both for the surrounding public and the rider himself. If you need earplugs to ride your own bike, it's too loud. On occasion, I've needed earplugs to work on someone's bike. How they could hear anything over that is beyond me. But I disagree and will state you're being a little contradictory... can be heard 2 miles away, but not a couple a hundred feet in front. Ignored or misinterpreted is more likely. Difficulties in seeing a single point of light with the balance of the bike fading into the black makes them hard to see. Just the same as overwhelming noise obliterating the direction from whence it comes. We've all heard sirens and not been able to determine from what direction they came till they suddenly appeared on your bumper. I have an unmodified dyna or sportster muf on my bike right now and I would say that it's no louder than a stock muf. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by trini tuner on 11/19/13 at 19:31:52 4A747F626F626F0D0 wrote:
Your entitled to your own opinion. Mines is that the stock muffler on this bike is way too quiet and makes it sound like a sewing machine and that adding a nice baffle such as a dyna makes it indeed safer to ride because the cagers will know your there even before they see you or not. I understand what you said about loud pipes distracting people and making it less safe but really now were talking about straight pipe territory, not what I had in mind. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Gyrobob on 11/20/13 at 19:14:16 Quote:
It's not an opinion. -- Being loud has nothing but negative consequences,.. the manufacturers, the safety organizations, the government studies, etc., have ALL shown the cagers are more likely to cause loud bikes harm than quiet bikes. Just plain fact. -- And,.. there is that bad PR factor. Every time we go for a ride, we can either irritate people or we can behave nicely. Loud pipes irritate people. It is a nasty thing to be a negative "ambassador." I didn't want to restart another loud pipe war. Those who just like loud pipes will continue to use them because they just like loud pipes. I know that. The loudpiper crowd just doesn't care enough about losses in performance, hearing loss, or making the public hate all motorcyclists to do anything about it. They will always be with us. Few will listen to the facts,.. maybe because their ears are so shot they can't hear anything. ;-) |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Boofer on 11/20/13 at 19:58:10 Look at the muffler section asSerowbot suggested. He put the pics on there for me (Boofer) The muffler cost $20-30 from a pile in a guy's yard. It fits a Nightrain and a Low, I think. I used stock Suzuki bracket used a Dr Pepper can wrapped around header for a gasket. No offset adapter required and used stock clamp. Covered the ugly up with a JC Whitney heat shield. 80 decibels stamped on the muff. Project time one hour and no rejet. Been on about 10,000 miles. Life is simple or hard as you want to make it. I'd rather be riding. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by BuckRYCA on 11/22/13 at 07:09:01 Hi. My daughter and I put together a Ryca CS-1 kit a couple of years ago, converting a Savage to a cafe racer. The kit supplied an EMGO 17" Shorty reverse cone megaphone muffler. It is a minimal muffler with a re-packable baffle. I have done a couple of re-packings and even did a crumb cup modification, but it never has not been anti-socially loud. I found a simple solution for me, at least. I recently installed an EMGO 26" reverse cone megaphone muffler (part # 80-84034, $60). It retains the right look, but makes significantly less noise. It is socially acceptable now. A plus is that the baffle is a non-removable, mechanical design that does not require frequent re-packing. I hope this post is useful to Ryca guys/gals looking to make their bike less edgy. ;) Here are photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/117060066392539786618/_RycaWith26ReverseConeMegaphone?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCKTUv-ueuYLjYg&feat=directlink |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by keith pearson on 11/22/13 at 11:15:55 In the UK we can get copies of the old BURGESS exhausts, I have put one on mine. It fit directly to the Savage pipe. Try googling FEKED , or look for Burgess silencers on Ebay, they are a straight through with absorbtion packing , and are of nice heavy metal well chromed. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by trini tuner on 11/23/13 at 08:14:37 043A312C212C21430 wrote:
Well I don't mean to start up another loud pipe war either but seriously? Being loud has NOTHING but negative consequences? What studies and scientific research do you have to back up your opinion? It sounds like a lot of biased opinions to me. Honestly ive seen a couple of those studies and they conclude that yes when you have a straight pipe and you say open the throttle next to someone in their car then yes its REALLY loud and our stress levels increase and makes for some hasty decision making which is no good. Again im still talking about the noise of an unrestricted dyna on our wonderful thumpers. Losses of power, making all of the general public hate us? I think not. Most accidents happen because people don't notice a motorcycle. Loud pipes make you more noticeable. Therefore loud pipes can save your life or help you to avoid accidents. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by Gyrobob on 11/23/13 at 09:47:44 trini tuner said Quote:
"Sounds like a lot of biased opinions to me" Whenever someone with a faulty opinion like yours sees facts to the contrary, that someone usually does make accusations of biased opinions since he has a lot of difficulty accepting the facts that blow holes in his "argument." "Losses of power, making all of the general public hate us? I think not." Wrong again. Ask anyone here. -- Ask any harly toad that can actually think. If you take a stock motorcycle, take off the stock muffler, and replace it with loud pipes, it will make less horsepower. -- Ask any average citizen if they think it is annoying or cool when a motorcycle is loud. --- The fact you "think not" is pretty much incorrect. --- The sad part is that there are zillions of loudpipers like you,... zillions of misguided individuals that embarrass the rest of us and make it less likely for legislators to give us an even break. --- We do not have much leverage in the various levels and departments of government. It is easy for them to give us a hard time since we don't have much power to prevent them from doing so and/or to undo something stupid. "Therefore loud pipes can save your life or help you to avoid accidents." Exactly wrong. Again. Well, you did say "can," which I suppose leaves open the possiblility of loud pipes possibly being helpful. This is just semantics. The facts are, from all the REAL studies,... loud pipes have no positive aspects for safety OR for our public image. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by trini tuner on 11/23/13 at 11:08:20 lol ok prove your theory with your "facts" or we can just agree to disagree. And by the way replacing a stock restrictive muffler with a freer flowing, well designed one will in most cases yield more power after the necessary tuning adjustments. Yes even on a Harley, like my friends street bob with before and after dyno sheets. |
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Title: Re: Exhaust help....? Post by verslagen1 on 11/23/13 at 11:44:05 Ok, this has gone from a little helpful to full out BS. you guys that are siting "studies" need to find references. |
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