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Title: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by gerald.hughes on 11/04/13 at 18:41:46 Check it out. http://street.harley-davidson.com/?source_cd=Email_110513_Street_Announcement&camp_id=16 |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by ZAR on 11/04/13 at 18:55:41 Hmmmm......HD comes out with something new and it's the same old "V" shaped powerplant. And water-buffalos to boot????? I was really hoping they would bring out a big-bore single or a paralell twin with a 270* crank. Oh well....... looks like Triumph is still the king! |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Midnightrider on 11/04/13 at 20:34:57 Triumph needs a 500 twin!!!! Just copy the old one with a modern engine. The future of motorcycles is downsizing. With smaller engines making more HP and better mpg there's no point in riding a hog. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Serowbot on 11/04/13 at 21:10:42 Looks like Harley bought some old Honda VT engines... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by WD on 11/04/13 at 22:52:37 6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:
I was gonna say that... >:( I bleed HD black and orange. Unfortunately for me, HD went out of business in 1964. If it isn't 6v kick only, it is NOT a Harley Davidson. So, 8 years before I hatched, the Motor Company quit making the real thing. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/05/13 at 00:25:20 I gotta say, that I like the looks of the new H.D. Street 500/750s ... and am curious to see more stats on the 750 to compare with my '06 VT750DC Spirit ... particularly the HP numbers ... it already beats the DC Spirit with EFI, a 6 speed tranny, belt drive and rear disc brake ('06 Spirit = dual carb, 5-spd, chain drive & rear drum). |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Serowbot on 11/05/13 at 00:51:15 I put about 5k on Honda vt500,.. and it was a fantastic little motor... Nice sound,.. good pull, it would do 105mph tops, and the 6th gear was a real OD (it dropped rpm's to a purr at 80)... The styling was very "Jap chopper", and it felt that way... I never felt anything but geeky on it... but, it looks like Harley fixed that...(one thing Harely does pretty good, is make bikes that aren't geeky looking)... So,.. it actually could be a darn good line of bikes... I'm just not sure the HD crowd will accept them as real Harleys... A 500 air-cooled single (which they already have a motor for, would have sold like hot cakes)... The Blast motor was pretty good,... but the styling on that thing was as bad an imitation of sport bike, as 80's Jap bikes were of Harleys... I just can't understand why I'm not the CEO of something... I'm so much smarter than most of them... They could at least ask me first... :-/... I'd hire out as a corporate consultant for a flat million per job... :-?... Pass the word... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/05/13 at 02:05:48 Methinks that these new Street models are Harley-Davidson's latest foray into expanding their liquid-cooled line-up ...which they of course, started with the V-Rod ... be interesting to see where this goes ... and to see if Yamahog will answer with a Bolt-like replacement for the 650 V-Star ... and if Suzuki will finally get around to replacing the LS650/VS800 models with a truly modern Roadster to compete in that segment ... |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by LANCER on 11/05/13 at 02:55:16 It is interesting that HD has gone this way, but a wise move too. They need to get into this market for survival/market increase. As already stated, it will be interesting to see how this compares to Honda's engines of the same size. When I looked at them that thought came to my mind immediately. I think Suzuki should turn the LS650 back into a standard type street bike like the 250 they have now, redo the head so it has a proper exhaust port like the old DR650, with a similar camshaft, update with FI and a good exhaust system. It would be a good running basic motorcycle with plenty of power for general purpose riding/commuting/etc and be affordable for a lot of people. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by babyhog on 11/05/13 at 04:58:01 I don't really care for the looks of it personally. A few nice features, but the huge-ass radiator is hideous. I do see it as a nice canvas for lots of cool mods though. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by 12Bravo on 11/05/13 at 05:54:20 To me the new bikes looks like a Suzuki S50 and a Yamaha Bolt mated and had a fugly child. I'll stick with the Intruder/S50 over a copy of a Jap bike made in India. And Babyhog is right, that huge radiator has to go. That radiator makes the one on my 750 Intruder look tiny. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/13 at 07:19:03 I dunno why they went to water cooled. I can understand getting into the smaller / lighter bike territory. IIRC, I heard that for the first time in years their new bike sales had dropped. I know Ive seen plenty of guys riding a bigger HD whose gal was on a sportster. Ive seen them look at me, on Bull, & I know those looks were " I wish I had a bike that size".. Water cooled just adds an element to maintenance & make it heavier,, Im not a fan,., |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Pine on 11/05/13 at 07:57:21 + 1 to most of the comments. I wish HD well on these bikes. I am not a fan of water for waters sake, I have to assume its to rein in emissions. ( a more stable temp, gives the FI computer something to work with). First thing I went looking for .. weight.. well that sits good with me 480 wet... not bad! They seem to really want this bike for other markets (outside the US). So even if it fails here... it may succeed elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/05/13 at 08:42:23 Liquid cooling allows for closer tolerances in the engineering ... which should give more HP per cc than a comparitively sized air-cooled unit ... Read on another site that the new H.D. Street 750 should be putting out 50+HP ... that's roughly equivalent to Suzuki's VS800 Intruder/S50 at approx. the same weight and more than the Honda VT750DC Spirit @ 45 or so HP for 500+lbs |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Serowbot on 11/05/13 at 08:44:19 On the bright side.... maybe my 883 won't be a "girls", "beginners" bike anymore... :-[... Danggit'!... Do you have to ride a road barge to be a man?... (I think it's affecting my hormonal balance, lately... ...I'm getting moody)... :-/... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Pine on 11/05/13 at 09:15:38 7B6D7A677F6A677C080 wrote:
You I tried that "twin Peaks" bar (old Hooters owners) .. but quickly quit... I dislike anyone trying to push a larger beer as mansize and girlsize. So if i dont buy each beer as 32oz.. I am not a man??? Really?? |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by 12Bravo on 11/05/13 at 10:07:08 487D6A6A617C794B796E797F7D180 wrote:
I'll have to find one of the 750s to race against me on my VS750. I've beaten a few 883s in races, even a Ninja 500 (new rider). Heck I've beaten a couple of stock 883s with the S40 :D |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/05/13 at 13:41:31 So, just read that the new Street 750 cranks 54HP ... that's better than the 883 Sportster which 46-ish and weighs about 100lbs more than the new H.D. St-750 ... The 883's days may be numbered ... wouldn't be surprized if the Sportster line-up becomes 1200cc only within the next year or so ... |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by old_rider on 11/05/13 at 16:27:07 Maybe I should take my road glide in and trade'm even up for one. At 480lbs and 50ish Hp it might be an actual go take a look and maybe test ride. I didn't even see when they are supposed to be coming out. If I were satisfied I would keep it, if not, then i'd sell it at a discount to some Harley wanna be girl or girly-man. But i'd have to take it up to the dragon to ride it at least once, does it snow on the dragon? I also took a look at the concept video... could the new bikes really be made into these??? bobber, café and street... I like the street. http://street.harley-davidson.com/?source_cd=Email_110513_Street_Announcement&camp_id=16# Go to that page clik the box "check it out" scroll down to videos , after clicking video's at the top there is a concept video also. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Rix on 11/05/13 at 19:35:38 I see nothing to make me try to get into that over a triumph. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by clearush on 11/05/13 at 20:23:29 old rider they are expecting availability 2nd quarter 2014 |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Midnightrider on 11/05/13 at 23:23:19 I think 883's are the best looking bike Harley ever made. Bot I would be riding one if I could and I wouldnt care what people called it. The big bikes look to big and cumbersome with way too much chrome decoration for me. The Sportster has the minimalistic look of a real motorcycle and I actually think they sound better. Tried to buy a plain black solo seat 883 that was a leftover model a few years back. Retail 7999. I offerd them retail out the door since it was a leftover model and there were 3 or 4 of them on the floor. They wanted $9500 for a year old $8000 motorcycle out the door and I politely told them no thanks and I've never been back to a Harley dealership. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/06/13 at 03:17:14 I agree ... the Sportster has been the only Harley-Davidson that I've ever had any interest in ... all other model are waaaaaaaaaaay too big and heavy for me ... this new 750 Street (HATE that name though!) does generate some interest ... I'd like to see it do well and think it has potential ... |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Dave on 11/06/13 at 04:31:44 I don't know about the new bikes.....but I sure find that website frustrating. Just show me a pictures of the bike and don't worry about the artsy fartsy shots or the misleading text written by people in some Manhattan 20th floor office. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by ToesNose on 11/06/13 at 04:49:59 +1 Dave The website SUX, and I'm sure they paid a ton for it too LOL. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Badass94Cad on 11/06/13 at 05:24:07 Some more... http://rideapart.com/2013/11/2014-harley-davidson-street-750-and-500-2/ (http://rideapart.com/2013/11/2014-harley-davidson-street-750-and-500-2/) http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/05/harley-davidson-street-500-750-videos/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/05/harley-davidson-street-500-750-videos/) |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by old_rider on 11/06/13 at 07:15:26 I do kinda like the bobber version also, but the suicide shift i'm not so sure about, would take some getting used to. The bike would be lighter in the bobber version and if you replace the metal tins with fiberglass or plastic it would be even lighter, i'm all about it being lighter. :) 8-) |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by EJID on 11/06/13 at 07:52:37 Not a bad looking bike at all. I like the fork gaiters and headlight cowling. Looks like a new entry level bike to entice new riders. We will see if/when they are available here... http://street.harley-davidson.com/img/photos/photo6.jpg http://street.harley-davidson.com/img/photos/photo14.jpg |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/06/13 at 08:26:35 2nd Quarter 2014 availability here in North America (Canada & USA) apparently ... |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by OldSport on 11/06/13 at 08:48:57 So Harley is buying RYCA Sportster kits and reselling them? |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Midnightrider on 11/07/13 at 22:51:44 Wonder if they're being made at the Harley plant in India? |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by 12Bravo on 11/08/13 at 05:44:10 From what I've gathered, the new bikes will be made in India and at the HD plant in Kansas City, Mo |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by ahernandez74 on 11/08/13 at 08:29:15 it's going ot be funny too when we see the harley riders in India too. They're definitely looking forward to these bikes. The emerging market is pretty crazy. I think I would be content trying out a 700cc liquid cooled bike. |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by Pine on 11/08/13 at 10:24:07 6B4F42484F414E52544F424354260 wrote:
++1 |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by ZAR on 11/08/13 at 18:43:41 100B1A5A54620 wrote:
+1 |
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Title: Re: 500 and 750 cc Harleys (Liquid cooled) Post by ZAR on 11/08/13 at 18:56:00 0C28252F282629353328252433410 wrote:
+2 The 1964 Sportster was the best HD I owned. Everything about it fit me and my style to a T. With the 900cc mill,right-side shifting and a few mods to the suspension ,seat and handlebars the only thing I could ask for was electric start to save my bum knee. With that in mind the 883 is the only modern HD that comes close and these new bikes don't even register on my radar. If I move up from the Savage it will be to a Triumph,for sure not one of these things! |
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