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Title: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by Rush-rks on 10/15/13 at 07:36:44 Since it has been getting colder for some reason on a cold start setting the enricher to the half position causes the bike to smoke out the exhaust (blue-white) smoke.  Push the enricher in smoking stops.  I only use it to get it warmed up and idling faster until its warm.  No other new issues nor anything been done to it.  Just wondering if it was normal.

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by Serowbot on 10/15/13 at 07:49:30 Excess fuel burns black... What you are most likely seeing is condensation being evaporated from inside your pipe... The enricher is just raising the idle speed and making it evaporate faster... I think yer' fine...

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by Rush-rks on 10/15/13 at 08:19:43 6573647961747962160 wrote: Excess fuel burns black... What you are most likely seeing is condensation being evaporated from inside your pipe... The enricher is just raising the idle speed and making it evaporate faster... I think yer' fine... It was blue white smoke and smells like a little oil burning that was my concern but I couldnt figure out why just becuase raising the idle would do that

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by verslagen1 on 10/15/13 at 08:37:38 are you loosing oil?

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by bobert_FSO on 10/15/13 at 08:40:08 Does the blue smoke come back if you pull out the enricher on an already warmed-up engine? Do you get blue smoke if you can get the engine started without the enrichener? If you get smoke on startup no matter what the choke setting and smoke does not return when using the choke on a warm engine, you might have some loose tolerances on the piston rings, valve guides or valve guide seals that tighten up when the engine warms up.  Unless the smoke is excessive or the engine is drinking lots of oil, I wouldn't worry about it. Of course, I am a "spend time riding, not wrenching" kind of guy.  In my younger (poorer) days, I was known to drive cars requiring 1 quart of oil every 300 miles. I haven't done it, but replacing valve guide seals is probably a relatively easy procedure that does not require head removal.

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by Rush-rks on 10/15/13 at 08:46:00 617265647B7670727926170 wrote: are you loosing oil? No I just changed it couple weeks ago and its still full..no oil on the engine anywhere

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by Rush-rks on 10/15/13 at 08:48:15 010C01061117630 wrote: Does the blue smoke come back if you pull out the enricher on an already warmed-up engine? Do you get blue smoke if you can get the engine started without the enrichener? If you get smoke on startup no matter what the choke setting and smoke does not return when using the choke on a warm engine, you might have some loose tolerances on the piston rings, valve guides or valve guide seals that tighten up when the engine warms up.  Unless the smoke is excessive or the engine is drinking lots of oil, I wouldn't worry about it. Of course, I am a "spend time riding, not wrenching" kind of guy.  In my younger (poorer) days, I was known to drive cars requiring 1 quart of oil every 300 miles. I haven't done it, but replacing valve guide seals is probably a relatively easy procedure that does not require head removal. No smoke starting warm engine at all.  And I havent pulled the enricher out on a warm engine but I will try that see if it occurs again. Well I went out and started it just now, it was still warm because I rode it about a hour ago.  Started no smoke..pulled the enricher (1/2 setting which is what I always do) no smoke.  So that narrows it down to a first cold start. Oh and it has done this pretty much since I got it in July just never thought much about it until now..I've put about 1500 miles on it since that time.

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by bobert_FSO on 10/15/13 at 09:28:41 I wouldn't worry more about it unless: You start using lots of oil. You start getting odd noises on startup. It lays down enough smoke that it looks like a mosquito fogger. Does it smoke constantly or just when you goose the throttle?  As a side thought, I don't understand riders who continually rev the snot out of a cold engine (not saying you do).  That could cause smoke. Start it cold, and use the enricher or throttle to let the engine run at a steady speed just high enough for it to run evenly until it warms up for a minute or two.   My Savage had a larger pilot jet and unless it was below 45 degrees would start and run well cold without the enricher.  I would start it cold and immediately drive off, keeping the revs low for a mile or two.

Title: Re: Smoking with enricher (choke) on Post by Rush-rks on 10/15/13 at 09:50:10 5E535E594E483C0 wrote: I wouldn't worry more about it unless: You start using lots of oil. You start getting odd noises on startup. It lays down enough smoke that it looks like a mosquito fogger. Does it smoke constantly or just when you goose the throttle?  As a side thought, I don't understand riders who continually rev the snot out of a cold engine (not saying you do).  That could cause smoke. Start it cold, and use the enricher or throttle to let the engine run at a steady speed just high enough for it to run evenly until it warms up for a minute or two.   My Savage had a larger pilot jet and unless it was below 45 degrees would start and run well cold without the enricher.  I would start it cold and immediately drive off, keeping the revs low for a mile or two. It doent smoke bad at all just enough that you can see little puffs of blue and it does have a bit of order like oil burning.  No I dont romp on the throttle while cold I just let it sit there and idle with the enricher on while I get on gear etc.  I push it in smoke quits and I putt on down the road. It idling on the side stand all the oil to left side of the crank case have anything to do with it?

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